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[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Can you point me to some of the polls that show that whites don't prefer to live in a white country? That doesn't seem like something anyone would have the balls to poll different races on, but I would like to be surprised here.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

There is not a poll on that specific question, but here is a summary of some research regarding followups to Putnam's original study where this idea stems from. Basically, there's no evidence that diversity really has any effect on social capital or overall happiness, when properly studied and isolated as a cause. Something Putnam's lazy correlation did not do.

I link Alt Hype in particular because he used to push this same narrative. He might still do, but even he had to admit the research does not support it.

[–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Ah, okay. I must have misunderstood your comment. I was under the impression that you were saying that you had polls that showed that white nationalism (not supremacy) had a tiny number of people. It would be very interesting to see those kinds of stats though. Don't see anyone doing a poll on that any time soon.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Regarding the number of white nationalists, I did link wikipedia of all considered "white nationalist" groups and organizations. There are less than a few tens of thousands. There's no evidence of some prevalent or large "white nationalist" support in the general population, and the low numbers of adherents to any formal group support this. That's the crux of why I call this baseless propaganda.

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Those are organized groups though. Being a white nationalist just means you want a white nation. People wouldn't join an organization for something that they casually believe in, just like people don't join formal environmental activist groups just because they care about the environment. I think those groups are more likely to be supremacy groups, than just regular nationalists anyway. Meanwhile, white people know that if they joined any group specifically for white people, that their entire lives could be destroyed. They would lose jobs, be prevented from being hired, and have their lives and their families' lives in danger.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you actually have some indication of how many people beyond these groups support ethnonationalism? If not, the only thing you can say is "I don't know". Coming up with excuses or reasons behind why the number is so few is not an argument in support of a higher estimate. If I tripled the number it would still be below 1% of the population.

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not the one making claims about the number of people holding that belief, you are. You didn't provide anything to support that and neither of us have any way of quantifying that. Not sure why that makes you angry. The Wikipedia stats on formal groups have absolutely nothing to do with how many people hold a belief. It's weird that you even think that. Or deliberately dishonest.

If I showed you Wikipedia stats for environmental activist groups to show the amount of people that believe in protecting the environment, you wouldn't think that was an accurate count of the total amount of them. Would you?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why are you so upset? You begin by asserting that I'm angry, when all I did was point out you have no evidence about your numbers - and what evidence does exists suggests they're tiny. At best you can say "I don't know". Why does someone pointing out claiming "tens of millions" is propaganda upset you, when you're admitting it yourself right here?

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're clearly defensive and won't address what I am saying. If you aren't angry, then you're at least operating from a defensive and emotional state. Label that however you want. You're also making false assertions about my stance. Even in this message, you are saying that I am not providing evidence of my numbers, when I never even mentioned a number or made any claim as to how many white nationalist there would be. You might be mixing me up with another commenter, but that still shows your emotional state.

Meanwhile, you keep saying you have evidence of a tiny number, and disregarding the point that this doesn't even slightly provide an estimate of a number. I'll explain for a third time, but I don't think you will address it: if I provided the number of people in environmental activist groups as the number of people that believe in environmentalism, would you believe that would be an accurate number? Or even a hint at the total number of environmentalists in the country?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do you keep evading my reply to your point? and hiding it by projecting your emotions onto me? If you could provide evidence they were larger, you would have done. As I keep pointing out, you don't really have any evidence, so you can only limit yourself to "I don't know" and the indications of just how unpopular your activists tend to be. Yes, number and popularity of activist groups does indicate somewhat how popular their causes tend to be. Just incredulously repeating the question after I repeatedly answered it does not mean you "win".

You can either provide evidence, or bugger off. As it stands this is quite boring and you trying to rhetorically manipulate the situation by repeatedly evading by claiming "defensiveness" is not something new.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I did a poll and it said your wrong.