Best arguments against sexual fluidity amongst lesbians?

Lessom · 2020-07-19T13:06:49+00:00

You don’t need to reason with them. I don’t need science or anything else to explain or justify that only females turn me on.

There are people constantly trying undermine lesbians due to misogyny and homophobia.

a_blue_bird · 2020-07-19T12:16:55+00:00

You don't need to argue with random people about your sexual orientation. Especially someone who won't accept even just the existance of homosexuality without scientific proof that homosexuality fulfills some biological function.

censorshipment · 2020-07-19T12:28:51+00:00

I'd simply say "lesbians are not and have never been attracted to males nor male anatomy nor surgically altered male anatomy." mic drop

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StrictlyDykley · 2020-07-19T15:59:53+00:00

They don’t really study women. Most sexuality research is focused on men. And “phallometric” studies where they measure boner response in men don’t work well on women, for obvious reasons. We have different genitals and different biological roles, and different protective response than men would.

Most sexuality related research that studies women is survey based so that isn’t particularly helpful either.

I’ve seen studies saying more lesbians have a longer ring finger than index finger than straight women (whose index and ring finger are typically same length). My index fingers are noticeably shorter than my ring finger, and I’ve known other lesbians with the same thing. Gay men’s finger ratios are supposed to be similar to straight women. I haven’t seen that study in a long time and it could be bullshit. Lol. I thought it was funny years ago.

That big “no women are straight” fluidity study actually found homosexuals and heterosexuals to be the most stable orientation and the bisexuals to be “fluid” but of course it was nor reported that way.

cervix · 2020-07-19T12:43:10+00:00

Tell them that you know there are people out there who are truly homosexual because you are one of them, and you know others like you. Tell her them that science can't read minds yet, so there's no science out there to completely prove or disprove the existence of female homosexuality. Tell them to listen to lesbians for a change.

tracksuitmeup · 2020-07-19T17:17:01+00:00

not much scientific evidence for lesbians

I mean there's an entire species of all female homosexual lizards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

LilianH · 2020-07-19T15:44:08+00:00

The person who coined the term "sexual fluidity" found that it was only fluid for bisexuals and no one in her study changed sexual orientation. It's mostly nonsense like a lot of queer theory.

LesbiSilly · 2020-07-19T18:12:33+00:00

My best argument is, if sexuality is fluid, then conversion therapy should 'work'. (And hence many people would not be LGB).

But it doesn't work, so sexuality is not fluid.

EzukiRaen · 2020-07-19T21:58:58+00:00

I'm vaguely familiar with what you're talking about.

I remember a few years ago there was a study that came out about how different people reacted to sexual stimuli. If I remember correctly, essentially what they found is that men were only stimulated by what they were attracted to i.e. straight men were stimulated by things involving women, gay men were stimulated by things involving men. They also found that (most) women, regardless of their orientation, were stimulated by (for the most part) anything sexual (keep in mind that this included both straight women and lesbians).

I wonder if this could be the study that your teacher was refering to. If it was then, I think it would be a bit of a leap to come to the conclusion that lesbians don't exist.

First, if you think of it from a historical context, women were once treated as lesser than men and it was socially acceptable to take advantage of them. So, I think it's worth considering that perhaps women evolved to be more easily stimulated in response to being raped.

Second, as I said, the study concluded that women as a whole were stimulated by sexual stimuli regardless of the content of the stimuli/one's orientation. If we were to jump to the conclusion that "sexual orientation in women is fluid" and/or "lesbians don't exist" then that would mean straight women would also have to be sexually fluid and non-existent, which we know to be factually incorrect.

The only real way to understand exactly how all of this works would be for more studies to be done but, as someone else said, more studies have been done on gay men than lesbians.

Tl;dr: To answer your question, if you really want to argue with people, ask them "there is no 'gay gene' and there is no 'straight gene'. DNA is not able to predict someone's sexuality." Fight "science" with science.

Side note: I just realized that this makes it even more baffling that your biology teacher, of all people, made such questionable and misleading statements.

MyLongestJourney · 2020-07-19T22:10:38+00:00

I actually had my high school biology teacher say that there have been studies explaining why gay men exist, but there is not much scientific evidence for lesbians.

Because barely anyone though of us as an interesting subject.

whateverman · 2020-07-19T23:44:23+00:00

I don’t think it’s worth debating with homophobes anymore, but I’m just tired too. I would suggest not debating with them if you don’t have to.

wtvrell99 · 2020-07-19T23:58:09+00:00

The earth still revolved around the sun even before science discovered this fact.

Also, the idea of sexuality being fluid, is weirdly only used against gay people. Why is that? Why aren't straight people expected to be fluid?

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