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[–]julesburm1891 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this isn’t the first time I’ve dealt with cis lesbians’ bullshit

I could understand the freakout if something gross and sexual was said, but she got called cute. That’s perhaps the least offensive thing to be called in this world.

She’s mad about being called a girl? Frankly, I’m mad on S’s behalf that S is supposed to let this asshole’s self perception override observable reality and dictate her perception of OP.

I’ve also had this said to me by one or two trans women…

So men get a pass for this behavior and women don’t? Got it.

…they both had a lot of internalized transphobia

Sounds like she has a lot of internalized homophobia and misogyny. She seems to hate other lesbians for existing. She can’t handle setting boundaries with men, yet, she’ll gleefully crucify women for the same behavior.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This "predatory cis" lesbian woman's crime:

and somehow I came up in conversation, and S -- who's a cis lesbian, and always been very friendly and nice to me -- starts on how I "was such a cute girl", misgendering me, and calling me an it.

I don't think she should have called her an "it," but really? That makes an entire minority sexual orientation demographic "predatory"?

[–]julesburm1891 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Tbh, I question if the “it” part was real. If S was talking about what a cute girl she was, why would she call her an it? She clearly sees OP as a woman. This sounds like something OP embellished for upvotes.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have no idea, but I have met two trans people now-- both adults!-- in real life who wanted to be called "it." I will never call another human being "it," but I can understand why some people might get confused and think it's somehow fine to call someone that since the pronoun cult is constantly telling us that "any chosen pronoun is valid"...

[–]julesburm1891 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oof. I’ve met one of those people too. It’s crazy how the trans community will say “never call someone an it” while simultaneously saying, “if you respect this person you’ll call them it!”

But, yeah. A flustered “what am I supposed to say? He? She? It?” is pretty much the only way I see that conversation progressing if it was actually said.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

  1. Yeah well TERFism is often a fetish linked to misgendering and corrective kinks.

  2. I had a cis lesbian in my salon chair completely unprompted tell me that she doesnt believe trans people belong in the “LGB” community. Gross

  3. Yeah I’m totally agreeing with you. People act like CIS woman can’t do anything wrong.

  4. That’s really awful. But honestly, if it comes down to it, my motto is “talk shit, get hit”. These hands rated E for everybody.

Yeah, I'm all out of sympathy for these FtMs too. Have fun with your shortened lifespan, loss of mobility and fucked up bodies! Hope the dick pandering and head pats are worth it 🙅🏾‍♀️ No one will ever see you as a real man and everyone you love is lying to you and playing pretend because they know you're too weak to handle the truth 🤷🏾‍♀️

[–]Datachost 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah well TERFism is often a fetish linked to misgendering and corrective kinks.

Lmao what?

[–]hufflepuff-poet 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Projection 🙄

In my view, trans is a fetish and straight trans people try to correctively rape lesbians and gay men. So tired of the crazy shit these people spew and how everyone just let's it go unchallenged because "trans people are the most oppressed people eveeeeeeer!!!"

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

There they go trying to resolve disagreements with violence. I mean I would too if I had not a single decent argument.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

However, one of my coworkers (J) clued me in on something that just has me fucking livid. He was talking to one of our coworkers (S), and somehow I came up in conversation, and S -- who's a cis lesbian, and always been very friendly and nice to me -- starts on how I "was such a cute girl", misgendering me, and calling me an it. J was having none of it and straight up told her, "That's disrespectful as fuck, you know he's a boy" and S starts saying "I don't give a fuck" and completely dismissing it. J doesn't take any of it and starts cursing her out, and ends up getting sent home as a result. I swear, I'd kill for J too -- he, like my one manager, has been a steadfast ally, and is overall a sweetheart. (Another coworker who had been working that day confirmed this happened too.)

J told me that he wanted me to know in case S tried to act friendly with me; he didn't feel comfortable knowing how two-faced she was and leaving me in the dark, especially with how aggressive her transphobia was. I didn't tell J (I did tell the manager I trust though), but this isn't the first time I've dealt with cis lesbians' bullshit. Both in person and over the internet I've been told I'm a "cute butch" and that I'm "ruining my body" and it'd be "so much better" if I "stayed a girl" (I've also had this said to me by one or two trans women, but never to my face, and they both had a lot of internalized transphobia; the overwhelming majority of people that do this have been cis women that identify as lesbians, thus the distinction.)

Internalized misogyny and homophobia out the wazzoo, all the forgiveness and second chances for straight men larping as women. But actual lesbian women get nothing but vitriol and hatred. FtMs are the ultimate handmaidens, they hate women so much, they'd rather destroy themselves than admit they are women.

The harassment alone makes me furious, but on top of all of that I've had, on more than one occasion, been sexually assaulted by these same people, and when I panic I either fight or freeze. With women, I tend to freeze, because I'm terrified of being a shitty dude that hits women. I know out of the situation that me shoving away someone that's touching me without my consent isn't on par with that dickhead that hits a woman who rejects his advances, but it's a panic response. I can't exactly control it easily.

I told my trusted manager about this, and she said she'd talk to J too (to get his side of the story), but I'm at the point that I want S fired because I don't feel safe at work now. *One of my coworkers needed a ride to work today and while getting ready to go pick her up, all I could think about was *"what if S is there? What if I have to see her?" -- to the point that I felt like I was going to have a panic attack. The thought of having to face her makes me extremely anxious because I literally cannot trust that what's happened in the past won't happen again. I even checked the schedule to make sure she and I didn't have any overlaps in our scheduled times. The thought of her looking at me and seeing me as a "cute girl" makes my stomach churn, even past the massive dysphoria it causes me.

How do these people exist in the world. The emotional weakness is deeply unattractive and frankly pathetic. She wants to punish and physically hurt another woman for disagreeing with her. Misogynistic, homophobic piece of shit, I hope she enjoys her life of delusions once the cards come crashing down and she has to face reality.

[–]julesburm1891 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I want S fired because I don’t feel safe at work

We had the exact same reaction. OP wants to punish a woman for disagreeing with her and wants to liken an innocuous compliment to rape. (As a survivor of sexual assault and as someone who’s experienced serious sexual harassment and stalking, this is patently fucking offensive.) This chick needs to get over herself.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I am so fucking sick of predatory ...

Selfawarewolf.

[–]JulienMayfair 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm at the point that I want S fired I'm at the point that I want S fired because I don't feel safe at work now.

Imagine being this neurotic and vindictive and not having the slightest bit of self-awareness of how deeply abnormal your perspective is.

What if I have to see her?" -- to the point that I felt like I was going to have a panic attack.

If you're having a panic attack because some other person doesn't see you the way you want other people to see you, but who presents no material threat to you, you have a mental illness.

[–]SerpensInferna 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is some absolutely amazing acrobatics to get to an oppression that has completely stripped away her humanity because another human being will not play along with her delusions.

[–]hellonumpty 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh ffs get a grip.

[–]Chaz 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao they’re really resorting to calling anyone who believes in biology a “terf”

[–]censorshipment 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sympathetic towards the OP because I've been harassed (groped and repeatedly called beautiful after saying I hated being complimented) by straight women at work. I didn't feel safe being alone with the managers (5 women, 4 were married to men, and all 5 of them touched me inappropriately). They acted just like my mom and aunts used to act when I was younger... touching my breasts and pinching my face while calling me beautiful. A lot of women are drawn to masculinity and find masculine women (including "trans men") irresistible... but people don't believe our stories about feminine women harassing us. 🙄

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe you. That's messed up that that happened to you. But it's still not okay for OP to make the broad generalization that all lesbian women are "predatory."

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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