Indoctrination / DoublethinkMore homophobic "sexuality is fluid" stuff

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[–]Femaleisnthateful 33 insightful - 12 fun33 insightful - 11 fun34 insightful - 12 fun -  (2 children)

But...but.... identity is fixed by the age of two, and people never change their minds. That's why we're medicalizing kids, right?

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Gross. Homosexuals don't benefit from being told their sexual orientation isn't real. It's quite offensive actually.

[–]RaspberryTea 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a weird one because I think they're almost right. The problem is they're using three different concepts -- sexual orientation, self-chosen identity, and sexual behavior -- interchangeably. People can absolutely change their behavior and labels over time as they gain life experience and get to know themselves better. But that doesn't mean the orientation itself is different, just how it's understood and presented.

So yes, sexuality (identity and behavior) is fluid. But that doesn't mean sexual orientation is, and lumping it in with the other two things is a very bad idea.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This accurately represents the way a lot of people cycle through labels as they age- especially the butch lesbian to trans man pipeline. They're mistaking switching labels for changing sexuality- it's a consistent person throughout who can't figure themself out.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I mean, sexuality sort of changes. You start as a child with no sense of romantic or sexual attraction and then you develop attraction to whatever subset of people as you reach and progress through puberty. But it is infinitely more likely that you will be confused about your attraction than have it actually change. I know that I was in a fake middle school relationship with a girl because I didn't know shit at the time, I was just emulating what I saw adults do and did what I thought was appropriate. I wasn't straight and later turned gay, I just hadn't been able to tell the difference between being good friends with someone and wanting to be in a relationship with them yet.

So later on, when I actually did feel distinct feelings of sexual attraction exclusively toward men, I was able to accurately call myself gay. I'm not sure if anyone ever can change their sexuality or if they can only realize what it is after some level of confusion

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was very intrigued by boys at school at a young age, even if I didn't realize what that meant. Took me a long time to sort it out, but I don't feel like I changed at all in the process.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Me too. I can clearly remember having serious attraction to my classmate during elementary school. Like she would touch me and I would get all tingly. Also we kissed (no tongue) in the bathroom and I got so excited. Also I loved women with big boobs and still do, of course LMAO So actually kids not have sexuality idea is bs,

[–]onenaivecanary 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What the hell kind of book is this from?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The queer catechism.

[–]Hannibalboy93 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am so done with these punk ass motherfuckers, throw it on the ground and burn it with fire.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Key word: "identities." Objective sexual orientation (homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, asexual) is fixed. People's knowledge and understanding of their respective sexual orientations-- that knowledge might change over time.

[–]JulienMayfair 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I like how the conflate people aging into different demographics with changes in gender/sexual identity as if those two processes were equivalent.