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[–]MinisterOfTerfery 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (23 children)

lmaoo women in the US really cheered this man getting elected

[–]mintea 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

trump isn't great but it's incredibly absurd to me that the people who hated him for sexism and racism literally cheer for biden

so many women are being completely misled

[–]our_team_is_winning 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm disgusted how Tara Reade's assault by Biden was just ignored.

[–]Alma_Esmeraude 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not merely ignored, actively buried by the MSM and Big Tech.

[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't believe a post-election poll showed something like 60% of Biden voters had never heard about Hunter's laptop. I thought that was huge worldwide news?

Selective silencing is censorship. Denying people access to information.

I wonder what % have never heard about any of the violent assaults on women by TiM?

[–]purrvana 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And when I bring this up on ovarit I get called a Russian bot or a "conspiracy theorist". Like... what? We only believe women selectively now?

[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm really glad you said that. For a while now I've felt that GC is largely "woke" -- not on the trans issue, but on every other issue. I've seen a lot of so-called feminists posting George Floyd hashtags for example, and I said he held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach. And I get called racist and all the usual slurs they throw, when it has nothing to do with race here. He held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach. That doesn't mean he or anybody should die in custody, but if you're looking for someone to celebrate with three lavish celebrity-filled funerals, maybe pick someone who didn't abuse women.

The trans agenda is part of the larger "woke" agenda and I see a lot of women defending the rest of the woke agenda, really, just calling out the TRA part. There's a bigger picture here and it's frightening.

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's been that way. These are the same women who love Bill Clinton after he (and Hillary) ruined Monica Lewinsky's career. Monica was only 22 years old... 27 years younger than Bill Clinton. Why do women love these creepy ass perverted white men so much? Straight/bisexual women need to stop loving and supporting men. Women's love for men is what keeps us under the bottom of men's shoes. Women loved the Kennedys... Ted Kennedy got away with killing a woman yet he became a beloved senator. The fuck? There should be no redemption, no second chances for men.

[–]nuhuhno 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

May they fully enjoy the dystopia they chose. }:(

[–]Madsea 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I think it was more cheering that we are rid of Trump. I’m certainly not excited for Biden, but Trump was worse. Now we can fight this single issue without all the distractions.

[–]lefterfield 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Ehh I don't know that Trump was worse. When I see the massive government, media, and tech overreach and the way they're falling lock-step in line with the Democrats? I'd be ok with another four years of Trump.

[–]purrvana 29 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Honestly, there were several things I liked (policy-wise) about Trump... the allowance of rape shelters to be women-only (if they wanted), decriminalizing homosexuality worldwide, pro-free speech, prison reform... He's also the only president in my lifetime not to start a new war.

Sometimes I feel like I live in an upside-down world when I think about the things he did compared to how hated he is. And now the dems are being praised as "a new hope" even though Parler is gone, a bunch of people I used to follow on Twitter are gone, I had to unfollow a bunch of pages on Facebook so that I don't get witch-hunted for "wrong-think", my nieces now have to change in the pool changerooms in front of men... And people are celebrating. It's a bizarre world.

And I could never say this out loud.

[–]lefterfield 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm right there with you. The Parler thing pissed me off and made me swear never to vote for Democrats again. And I used to work on their campaigns and attend conventions. Nor was I on Parler either - I'm just an ACTUAL liberal who values free speech and hates corporate monopolies. That more people aren't aware of just how insane that was and some that are actually defending these companies? I don't even know. I blame tech illiteracy for one. Someone tried to argue with me that "anyone could just set up their own server!" And... seriously? I know how servers and web hosting works, I study IT and they say shit like that? I just laughed at them and asked if they had a damn clue how much data a site like Parler would be processing every day. Of course they don't.

It matters because if these companies gain control over the tech access and supplies completely, it's only going to be billionaires who can even attempt what Parler did. It's pretty much at that point now. And billionaires aren't usually big on sticking their necks or money out "for free speech." People need to wake the hell up. And yeah, I have only a handful of close friends and family on Facebook, and I worry every day that one of them might turn on me.

Trump was honestly like most politicians. He did some good things, some really questionable things. His biggest flaw was antagonizing the media, and even that wasn't really his fault. I'm far more concerned with the sycophantry going on now between Biden and the media - how much shit is he going to get away with that they'll never report on? Too much is the answer.

[–]our_team_is_winning 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just an ACTUAL liberal who values free speech and hates corporate monopolies

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I keep hearing Nancy Pelosi talk about "our democracy" -- it's pronounced "corptocracy" -- giant corporations control everything and they're in bed with the government. And if they notice you speaking up, they can not only kick you off Twitter (whatever), but shut down your Paypal, your GoFundMe, etc. and they are talking about denying people access to schools and jobs based on their views. Well, we've seen women in academia in danger for saying men aren't women.

[–]whoamiwhowhowhowho 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Parler was allegedly hosting a number of illegal threats and not moderating them well. At some point companies contributing to its existence had to think about their own reputations and legal protection. No one should be required to host illegal content.

[–]lefterfield 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then why is Twitter repeatedly allowed to get away with illegal content? Why is Facebook? Reddit? And that thing about "not moderating them well" is a claim put out by Amazon, not an objective source. Parler had moderation, they were complying with the terms of service. What they did wrong was refuse to bow to demands to remove Trump.

What I think is more frightening than individual people making threats is corporations being able to smear them with no evidence and no criminal trial. People making threats should be reported to the authorities, and the authorities should be allowed to do their job and prosecute them. At that point - remove them. But we're already seeing Twitter being able to claim that the 100k+ accounts removed were all QAnon. This contradicts their earlier statement about why they were removing accounts, and just as a matter of logic, it sounds to me like bullshit. Extremist conspiracy theory groups do not gain 100k+ followers. But Twitter gets to smear them with no counter defense and no evidence. We're already seeing national guard members being pulled for making "objectionable tweets" - not said to be extremist, no threats, just said to be conservative.

The same will happen to other groups who go against the establishment. What's happening is that corporations are trying to convince you that private citizens are the danger that only they can protect you from. Meanwhile, these billionaires get to further consolidate and tighten the noose around everyone's neck.

[–]whoamiwhowhowhowho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Then why is Twitter repeatedly allowed to get away with illegal content? Why is Facebook? Reddit?

That isn't an argument against Parler being taken down. It's up to those sites and whoever hosts their data to deal with whatever is being posted on them. This is about Parler and whether it was hosting illegal content and/or content that broke its host's ToS. Parler is responsible for following the ToS it agreed to, and that doesn't depend on Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit adhering to any contracts they signed.

Amazon claims Parler did break their ToS, like you mentioned. From what I saw of what was being posted on Parler before it was taken down, I have a hard time waving Amazon's claim away.

What they did wrong was refuse to bow to demands to remove Trump.

That is far from the worst thing that was posted on Parler. The worse issues have been well documented.

Extremist conspiracy theory groups do not gain 100k+ followers.

How do you know one can't?

[–]lefterfield 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I take it you have evidence that the companies I mentioned were following their TOS with Amazon, had no illegal content that would give cause for Amazon to shut down the server? Like the child porn Twitter repeatedly refused to remove? Don't sit here and defend these corrupt companies and then chuckle to me about "TOS". That is an excuse to silence inconvenient voices, and pretending otherwise is ignorant to the point of ideological blindness.

That is far from the worst thing that was posted on Parler. The worse issues have been well documented.

Worse than child porn?

How do you know one can't?

  1. Because I know of many of the accounts that were removed, and they were not Q supporters
  2. Because I can logic and make claims based on both inductive and deductive reasoning.

At this point, I have to wonder if you're lying, stupid, or being paid by Amazon.

[–]our_team_is_winning 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No new foreign wars was a big one. Peace between Israel and four Islamic countries was another. And nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room: Communist China.

I hated how the media was just 24/7 attacking Donald Trump (who had been famous for decades and viewed largely in a neutral way up to that point) and never reporting actual facts. Spare me the non-stop editorial. Just tell me what happened.

I'm old enough to remember the "Censorship is UnAmerican" campaign, which was oddly spearheaded by the Left. I think the Left literally left the building, and the Woke replaced them. Now it's not "censorship," it's "removing hate speech."

I miss the Democrats. The actual Democrats. They didn't campaign for cheap foreign labor to take away jobs and drive down wages. They didn't campaign for men's sexual fetishes to replace women's rights. They led the #FreeTibet cry. They supported free speech.

It's a lot like "feminism" I guess. We have the Third Wave with TWAW. That's not feminism. We have "liberals" with "shut down any speech I don't like" -- that's not liberalism. We have Martin Rothblatt as "the world's first female billionaire" -- that's not a female.

It's like the world is a photographic negative now, where everything is reversed.

[–]WildApples 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. The fascism that progressives feared Trump would usher in is now being actively striven for by Democrats. Progressives are far more dangerous because they are fostering a culture in which anyone who disagrees with them must be censored, and with the tech and media companies on board they have the means to successfully stifle opposition. It feels more Orwellian by the day.

I voted Democrat my entire life until this last election (I abstained). I certainly will not be voting Democrat again anytime in the near future.

[–]Madsea 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’m extremely bothered by big tech happenings as well. FWIW though I saw a few antifa groups got booted from Twitter too, so at least they’re starting to spread their bs out a bit.

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, seemed like that was after they trashed the DNC headquarters? Not sure if any were removed before that.

[–]jet199 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not seeing that.

What I'm seeing is a lot of

"I'm really happy Biden is president but hate this executive order."

This from rad fems not just general gc or detrans anons.

Trump not mentioned at all.

Biden has multiple accusations of sexual assault against him.

Imagine you were one of those women seeing this guy celebrated by the one group left who are supposed to have your back.

[–]Madsea 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No worries, I know the modern left are no friends to women. I’m just focusing on what I can change now and that means fighting back.

[–]purrfect 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

His paraphilic donors sighed with relief. And euphoria.

[–]Britishbulldog 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This terrifies me. In one fell swoop women are erased. Feel horrible for American women and girls. You’ve gotta fight this. I’m also scared. The US leads the world, and I’m terrified others will follow. While Liz Truss is in office us Brits are fine, and hopefully we can live up to our nickname of TERF island, but I worry for those outside of the UK.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's funny to me that many UK posters are saying they're worried about the US because I had thought the UK was getting hit with extreme Woke laws even worse than we are. I think we're all in danger actually. But I'd read that UK police were going to people's houses over what they wrote on facebook (just general comments on the state of things, not death threats or something).

I thought the First Amendment could protect us, but it's being eroded. When they survey university students about free speech, the majority in some polls say "hate speech isn't protected; we need restrictions on speech" -- that's scary.

And enforcement is so biased. All those "rape the TERFS" comments are left up while "Men aren't women" gets the person banned for life.

[–]scrantonstranglr 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea of hate speech needs to be extinguished already. It's dangerous because one group will decide for the rest what is ok to say and what will get you banned/fined/lose your job/de-platformed. They're going to have no one to turn to though when their opinions all of a sudden aren't the "right" ones. Oh yes, the extremely biased censorship online has my blood boiling daily. We're really in the upside-down world.

[–]purrvana 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I live in Canada (where it's been called "Tranada" due to the extreme woke laws). I was worried about the US because it's the last beacon of hope standing. If the US could fight off all the woke shit, then maybe there's hope for the rest of us. And even if we couldn't change our laws, at least we could move to the US for freedom from it all.

But now that the US is giving in, I feel like it's going to be much much harder for the rest of us to reverse course because now it's normalized on the biggest scale imaginable.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Canada (where it's been called "Tranada"

Oh that kills me. I haven't been to Canada in many years now, but what I've read online is scary. And then I learn that a lot of it is going on here too, it's just not always well-publicized. I know, I've said for all of America's faults, we fight for freedom. Nobody's going to tell us what we can and can't say. And now there's a generation (or two?) of young people who actively fight FOR censorship and for "cancel culture."

I told a Woke male coworker a few years ago, this is eerily like Communist China's Cultural Revolution, pulling down statues and publicly shaming people, rewriting history -- these Woke young people are a Neo Red Guard, and he of course dismissed me. I really see Communist China as the new "model" for Western countries -- although the Trans agenda is not a leading feature of Chinese government repression, in the West it's one of the elements used to silence people and overturn a well-established way of life (where women have separate faciliites, in this case). I see totalitarianism taking root, and the TRA are key players in that.

[–]lumiosestone 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, he really doesn't want his party to win the midterms huh?

[–]lefterfield 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I'm not too worried about it, as an executive order. Legislation is harder to overturn, and direct confrontation is the only thing that's going to wake up most voters.

[–]our_team_is_winning 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

This is the legal erasure of women. You should be terrified and appalled. Will the "pink pussy hats" be marching in full force? No. They will welcome MEN into our sex-segregated spaces. This is a Woke NIGHTMARE.

[–]Rationalmind 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Agree, but I like the other poster, was relieved it’s not legislation. An EO still sucks but it is easily reversible. I am still upset, but we knew this was coming. Speaking of getting together to protest, how did ovarit collect multiple illiberal dem sycophants? Is ovarit being astroturfed? Why do we get left alone on saidit? I like saidit better because I don’t have to deal with the deranged blue MAGA types that would rather play partisan games than make progress for women as a whole.

[–]purrvana 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

It's insane to me that they complained about Joe's promise to do this for weeks and now are suddenly shocked that he did it. Like... wtf did they expect? He literally said it was the first thing he was going to do.

Why are they even on Ovarit if they voted Joe in knowing he'd erase women's rights? It's mind-blowing.

[–]Rationalmind 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Yes, I feel the same way. Kamala had pronouns in her Twitter bio and introduced herself in a debate as she/her/hers. Joe has been pro-trans the whole time and promised to bring back the Obama executive order interpreting sex to mean gender identity. The dems on Ovarit doesn’t make sense to me.

[–]nuhuhno 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indoctrinated. I'm in my sixties; my mother railed, and her father railed about the indoctrination happening in education, and not just public school systems. Why do they think the gender proponents focused on schools? They knew the strategy worked! Inattention has come to bite the citizenry now. Blind, loyal, naïve, complacent mouthpieces furthering the propaganda. Wariness of government overreach, has become "yea, this party will save us". Allowing career politicians and political dynasties has sunk the US, for what my opinion is worth.

Edit. These young women are sadly mistaken if they believe today's Dem party is the same Dem party of the 1960's and 1970's. They're just buying the myth.

[–]our_team_is_winning 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The dems on Ovarit doesn’t make sense to me.

I'm really glad you are all saying this. I like Ovarit because I want to speak up for women and not be called a slur. But there's a lot of Democrat Cultism over there. Politicians are NOT your friend. The Democrats don't care about you. Anyone who believes they do is maybe showing that the Dems are more believable liars (?)

Nancy Pelosi isn't clinging to that gavel and pulling people out of quarantine to vote for her at the age of 80 because she's so dedicated to serving the American people. She's drunk on power. They all are. It was HER HOUSE that passed this horrible bill in the first place.

It doesn't matter how you vote anyway. Elections are rigged. You can't vote the Woke Dictatorship away.

Thanks for letting me rant.

[–]Rationalmind 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad I'm not the only that finds the Democrat cultism and apologists on Ovarit to be irritating. I wish the moderators would remove the downvote button and start everyone off with 1 upvote. The platform, as structured with the ranking levels, results in towing the mainstream talking points up to a certain level. It's bad for productive dialogue when the dem mob can go and downvote an opinion that deviates from their mainstream dem and Biden-approved narrative. It doesn't give others a chance to see the opinion that differs from the groupthink or mainstream narrative before it gets downvoted into oblivion. I do like the platform, but I think it could be improved by removing the ranking system, removing the downvote button, and automatically allocating one upvote to each comment/post.

Totally agree about Nancy Pelosi and that politicians are not our friends. As long as we believe or live under a delusion that politicians are our friends or that the Democratic Party is going to help us at some future point is just moving the goalpost toward something that will never manifest. Meanwhile, the dem cult is voting for the very Party that created, endorsed, and perpetuates our current TRAs issues. If we keep supporting the DNC, then we'll never escape this vicious cycle. We can't fix the trans issue if we're loyal to the Party over our radical feminist goals.

It doesn't matter how you vote anyway. Elections are rigged. You can't vote the Woke Dictatorship away.

Agree, this was shocking for me. I knew the DNC rigged it against Bernie in 2016 and then again in 2020, but I was naive in that I didn't think they'd rig it during the general. I was wrong I see that now. There is no ethical line the political ruling class will not cross. Frankly, I'm wondering if they ever changed the system from voting only being among wealthy male propertied owners. At this point, I think the parties vie for their respective, low-informed political caste voters and keep them in line using fear tactics. The media keeps voters complacent and running on low/ zero information and emotionally manipulative propaganda. It's brilliant in a psychopathic, maniacal, Machiavellian way. Reminds me of the FDR quote, “Presidents are selected, not elected.” I just don't get why they even pretend the people have a vote if this is the case? It's just an illusion of democracy and makes people angry. I wish they'd be upfront about this.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Certainly! I'm glad I'm not alone. It's validating for me, so I hope it is for you too. And thanks for letting me rant too. :)

[–]Finnegan7921 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Brainwashed by the clowns at CNN and MSNBC. The bottom line is that people in DC did not like Trump first and foremost b/c he didn't do what they said and the media was going all in with whatever they could to discredit him, and anyone could get away with just about anything as long as it was anti trump.

Case in point, Marie Yovanovitch, the heroine of the impeachment hearings. Testified that a)Burisman was no big deal, and b)that she knew little about it. Here's the problem, she was lying.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-dept-emails-yovanovitch-met-with-burisma-despite-testifying

"But through a Citizens United Freedom of Information Act request for emails related to Burisma sent by former deputy assistant secretary of state for Europe and Eastern Europe George Kent, the organization obtained more than 160 pages of emails and memos sent during the fall of 2016, including communications between Yovanovitch and U.S. Embassy officials about Burisma Holdings and documents indicating that she met with a representative of the firm at the embassy in December 2016."

Totally bullshitted Congress, labelled a hero. The media could not praise this liar enough. So brave, she risked it all !!!! Why, b/c it hurt Trump. Unelected bureaucrats get very, very pissy when the elected official doesn't want to follow their advice. They guard their territory jealously.

[–]Rationalmind 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The bottom line is that people in DC did not like Trump first and foremost b/c he didn't do what they said and the media was going all in with whatever they could to discredit him, and anyone could get away with just about anything as long as it was anti trump.

Yeah, the media is corrupt. Note, it's "media" and not "news." That word alone should tell you what they do. Media implies entertainment. People are under a mistaken belief from these con institutions that they provide facts. Some secondary outlets are no better. I realized in 2016 if we had any hope, we'd have to reform the media as a top priority because key to a democratic institution (or if you nitpick this then a "constitutional republic") is freedom of the press. We haven't had freedom of the press since Clinton allowed the media corporations to merge and the legislation waived the fairness doctrine and couldn't talk about the military industrial complex. Make no mistake, however, Fox is no better. Fox created the tactics that CNN and MSNBC adopted. Fox's manipulation tactics were most evident under Bush-Cheney.

Secondly, yea, I agree, the ruling class didn't like the white trash Trump clown that they (NBC) created. Hollywood is modern day clowns and court jesters and Trump was one of their jesters. Trump did not and does not fit in with the DC media and ruling political class. Trump was crude, eats fast food, and wanted attention from the proles. That said, Trump was a con and failed to bring his promises during his 2016 campaign. He never fixed healthcare or drained the swamp, and was frankly lazy and needed to spend more time listening to the presidential briefs and not tools on Twitter or Fox. I did like his EOs banning CRT and rescinding the trans takeover of womens spaces, but Biden nuked those yesterday. I think Trump's greatest achievement was that he's been the least interventionist president involving foreign wars in my lifetime. I think Trump got his lobbying-- now rescinded-- EO ban post-office exactly wrong, but it was better than nothing (the ban should be before taking a position in a presidential administration, not after they've served a position). I don't think you can bring an outsider in to fix the problems in Washington. It needs to be someone from within who has integrity and who knows the ropes. Trump wasn't ever going to make an impact longterm without that experience.

The media could not praise this liar enough.

Marie Yovanovitch should be prosecuted for perjury, but I don't even know if Congress has them take an oath about lying or not lying to them. That said, the Russia hoax was just to assuage Hillary Clinton and the DC lobbying class's ego. They failed in 2016 to win over voters but they couldn't admit their own responsibility that led to Trump. There are a variety of media darlings who are pathological, manipulative, warmongers who are passed off as credible, like John Brennan (retired CIA) and Adam Schiff (D-CA).

If we actually want substantive policies we need to:

  1. Amend the Constitution to overturn Citizen's United and every single piece of bad jurisprudence since Buckley v. Valeo (which incorrectly said money is speech), because money is expression.

Once we have this amendment, then we can move to:

  1. Reforming the media;

  2. Reform and require the ruling class to serve constituents; and

  3. Other actual policies that benefit the people.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trump was like a kid who got elected student body president because he was popular on the playground, but then he realized he was invisible at school board meetings because the well-entrenched bureaucrats have been there literally 50 years and their corrupt system won't even listen to suggestions for reforms.

[–]Rationalmind 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yep. Although, I didn't and don't like Trump, he was a good stopgap on the woke influence. To be honest, I was hoping we'd have a stopgap for another four years and could somehow squelch the Woke's influence during that time. Trump wasn't making our lives materially worse, like Biden did yesterday with that Equality Act EO.

I saw Biden was taking credit for lowering student loans to 0% and deferring payments. His administrtion stole that credit. While, I was told that Betsy DeVos is an evil evangelist (which I haven't looked into but have reset my opinion on her to indifferent), she's the one that deserves credit for the 0% interest on loans and deferred payments during Covid. I don't want a man to take her credit even if I may have a [possibly misinformed] presumption against DeVos.

Biden also announced he's thinking of putting troops back in Iraq. I am so over the waste of money that is foreign wars abroad because it wastes our dollars that should be spent here while also creating enemies who then use America as a scapegoat. Like I wish they'd just tell Big Pharma to buy the damn poppy from Afghanistan and don't steal it in the new Opium War.

[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

he was a good stopgap on the woke influence. To be honest, I was hoping we'd have a stopgap for another four years and could somehow squelch the Woke's influence during that time.

On influence in government, yes. But I think his election intensified woke culture to the nth degree. He was the symbol of all that they hated, the symbol that they could rally against and use to remind potential allies of the danger of not censoring and controlling speech. Once he was elected, woke groupthink took over my social network as progressives felt that everyday was a war against Trump politics, and quotidian conversations were now battles between good and evil. They have spent the past four years trying to ferret out any wrongthinkers who are on the wrong side of the war and punish them to set an example to others.

I am hoping that without such a potent symbol to unite against, their cultural influence will wane just in time to get people to oppose Biden's woke policies.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From the posts I've seen, Trump-phobia literally trumped all other considerations.

I don't see how anyone puts trust in a career politician. What did Joe do in 50 years? Said a lot of racist things. Supported foreign wars. Eagerly took money from the influence peddling industry. Got his creepy son on the board of directors of foreign companies to cash in. Sniffed a lot of little girls. Stole the nomination from Bernie.

[–]our_team_is_winning 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I keep seeing a lot of "I'm against TRA, but still I worship Joe!" None of these politicians care about you. Money and power are all they care about. Women are being legally erased. This is an emergency.

[–]nuhuhno 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, make no mistake, Biden's administration has full intentions to see the Equality Act passed into legislation in addition to this. This fresh hell for women is just day 1. If you're Not alarmed, you don't understand the situation. Civics!

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not too worried about it, as an executive order. Legislation is harder to overturn,

You know, I hope, that what kicked off the US Civil War was an EO issued by Abraham Lincoln. During the Great Depression, many of FDR's famous "New Deal" programs were put in place not through legislation, but via an EO through which he established the Works Progress Administration, which entirely reshaped the physical landscape of the US by building much of the nation's infrastructure - roads, bridges, schools, parks, housing, dams, sewage management plants, electrification networks - and by funding a large number of projects in the in the visual, dramatic and musical arts, and also literacy programs and lots of social history and archeology projects such those that obtained oral histories of former slaves and slave descendants and preserved artifacts of Native American cultures.

In WW2, hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps, losing their homes and jobs in the process, coz of an EO from the White House. During WW2 another EO from the White House established the Office of Scientific Research and Development (OSRD) and gave it an unlimited budget and enormous powers to pursue development of weapons that would enable the US to defeat the Axis powers, leading directly to the development of the atom bomb.

Seems to me EOs can have very significant, far-reaching effects that change the course of US and world history.

Also, as what happened under Obama then Trump shows, POTUS EOs change the rules, regulations and policies of all executive branch agencies (HUD, HHS, Defense, Education, Justice and so on) and affect how the executive branch interprets and implements the vast number of laws already on the books that it is tasked with enforcing.

What's more, EOs trickle down to the states, shaping the laws state legislatures pass as well as all the rules, regs and policies put in place by state and local bodies, including school boards, along with non-governmental authorities like the NCAA. Obama's original EO on Title IX is what led directly to Connecticut statewide scholastic sports authorities and individual school districts in the state - as well as universities in other states (New Hampshire, Montana) and national bodies like the NCAA - to enact policies allowing males to compete - and win big - in female scholastic sports. And it's what's led elementary and HS schools, colleges and universities throughout the US to allow members of one sex to have access to the school toilets, locker rooms, showers and dorms meant for the opposite sex.

Legislation is harder to overturn

Overturning EOs as well as all other executive branch interpretation, implementation and enforcement policies - along with all the actions of states and local bodies that follow from such, right down to your local school board's locker room policies - requires filing lawsuits and mounting challenges in court. In the US, court cases themselves take a long time, then there are many layers of appeals and so on. It takes years and years before courts finally determine once and for all whether legislation, and the way it's been interpreted and enforced by the federal executive as well as by the states and local bodies, becomes a matter of settled law or is to be overturned. And the whole long, drawn-out process costs LOTS of money.

Overturning what's written in the US Constitution is hard to do. As Lincoln knew, which is why after he issued the EO known as the Emancipation Proclamation ending slavery in the US he immediately pushed Congress to pass the 13th Amendment. He knew that when the the Emancipation Proclamation finally got before SCOTUS, the high court would probably throw it out as an unconstitutional overreach. But he also knew that if an amendment to the Constitution was added for the purpose of abolishing (most) slavery* in the US, it would be essentially ironclad. (*I am aware that the phrasing of the 13th Amendment left open a loophole allowing incarcerated convicts to be used as slave labor, so it didn't really "abolish" slavery the way it's often alleged to have done.)

What happened with the 18th Amendment prohibiting alcohol in the US was a anomaly. In that case, the US Congress passed an additional Amendment - the 21st - repealing the 18th.

But in most cases, laws in the US are not overturned by legislative bodies voting to repeal them or taking steps to do so. Instead, the task of overturning legislation and EOs alike ends up largely in the hands of individuals and organizations that have the legal chops, clout and the financial backing to challenge laws, EOs and government rules and regulations in court. Additionally, laws are changed by legislatures passing new legislation that fine-tunes, expands or overrides previous ones - as the misnomered Equality Act is meant to do.

However, I think by making it seem that overturning legislation is much harder to do than overturning EOs, you are drawing a distinction that for all practical purposes doesn't exist. Remember, every administration will fight to the death to defend its own EOs - and to do so, they have the entire executive branch of the US government, including the US Department of Justice and all the lawyers within all the other federal agencies, at their disposal plus the public purse.

You seem to be suggesting that legislation in the US gets overturned via another alternate route, one that's simpler and more streamlined and a whole lot easier and cheaper than going through the courts. I don't think this is actually the case.

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I believe DACA was an EO and the court ruled that President Trump couldn't touch it. Judicial activism seems to be another layer here.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, you're right. But DACA was preceded by the Dream Act, Congressional legislation that had been debated and voted on in both the House and Senate over the course of a number of years. Moreover, both the Dream Act and DACA were preceded by decades of public discussion, press reports, polling of the populace and political jockeying over the issue of illegal immigration and how to treat people brought to the US as children, when they had no say in the matter. Immigration to the US has been a topic much discussed and argued about in public and private settings in the US as far back as I can remember, which goes back to the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act.

Whereas the matter of turning back Title IX; opening up female sports to males; ending of all sex segregation in toilets, locker rooms, shelters, prisons, etc; denying girls and women our previous right to safety privacy, dignity and a measure of peace of mind in facilities where we deal with bodily functions, and so on is entirely different. With the rare exceptions of the "bathroom bills" several years ago, none of these enormous policy changes and their implications have been discussed and debated in the press, by politicians or by the public. No polling has been done. It's all just been rammed through through by the back door and from on high without the body politic having any chance to ask, what's going on and why?

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's all just been rammed through through both the back door and from on high without the body politic having any chance to ask, what's going on and why?

The Trans Lobby have big money and politicians like big money donations. Only answer I can come up with.

[–]Sunflowerdevyl 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm praying Dems lose the 2022 midterms. I haven't agreed with many of their platforms since 2016, but I am honestly dreading the next 2 years as sex is erased, a mass amnesty during a pandemic straining the already abysmal job market is threatened, a possible war with China, and the inevitable socialist propaganda.

[–]our_team_is_winning 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

a possible war with China

I think the US might sit by and watch China take Taiwan, but USA will probably go back into the Middle East for oil because this new regime is shutting down America's energy independence (China is laughing so hard right now). Mass immigration at a time when our schools are shut, so many out of work, the virus out of control, etc. -- not a good time to import more people who need taxpayer handouts. Remember when Kelly Osbourne said "well who's going to clean your toilets?" THAT is what the Left think of most migrants anyway.

On the POSITIVE side: I think some good might come of this with the Trans Agenda being forced into the open IF the media will help us. That's a HUGE "if" because they seem totally woke. Actually, aside from BLM pandering, all they've done for five years is bash Donald Trump. Have they had ANY other headlines at all? But IF some media asks "why are women so outraged over this EO?" and let's women speak and cite examples, MAYBE it could END here? Maybe???

I think, not sure, that "Rachel" Levine has to go through a Senate confirmation hearing? PLEASE PLEASE let half of them stand up and declare "no. I can't." and walk out. THAT would be powerful.

BUT Donald Trump himself welcomed Bruce Jenner into the women's room (you don't have the right to do that even if it is your building!) in Trump Tower, so are lesser conservatives going to say a damn thing? Probably not. Don't even need to ask what fake "liberals" are going to do. Maybe give Levine a standing ovation?

[–]Sunflowerdevyl 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I don't think Biden has the stones to do anything about China. He's too concerned with pretending to be neo-Jesus and Kamala Harris wouldn't risk her precious POC status to speak against them.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Possibly it's all for show.

The executive order says it doesn't over rule any existing laws.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1352234863240339461.html

[–]wecandobetter 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go on, keep that head firmly planted up your ass so you can continue to support these people if you want. Myself, I'm going to start working for plan B

[–]nuhuhno 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's really funny, Jet. I don't recall anyone diminishing what was happening in the UK.

This EO also gives the example of a targeted group that has been discussed here before. But, Biden's Administration thinks women should suffer for these poor guys. Somebody's got to pay - so, women!

For example, transgender Black Americans face unconscionably high levels of workplace discrimination, homelessness, and violence, including fatal violence.

Edit. The thing with US Executive Orders is the interpretation and application of existing laws. So... this "get out" would only be utilized for a big or specific whoopsie, like if it would affect a big donor business financially, not for women's benefit or consideration.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not diminishing anything.

Where is that coming from?

[–]nuhuhno 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not diminishing anything. Where is that coming from?

This:

Possibly it's all for show.

Hmmm. Like, as US citizens, our knowledge and life experiences as US citizens aren't real? I perceived an implication of "don't get upset"

I am not a UK citizen, yet when I read the alarm of UK women concerning GRA & EA, I believed them. I fully believed they had reason to be alarmed.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Jet, it seems odd to me that you are you relying on the views of a British woman on this EO as if what she says is the gospel truth and final word on the matter. Lots of American women who are knowledgable about US laws and civics specifically don't agree with Cathy Devine's take.

Sorry, intelligent and erudite as Cathy Devine might be (I dunno her, so I have no idea), I don't think that a UK Labour Party member whose expertise is in "sport and physical activity" should be regarded as the ultimate arbiter here. (Twitter profile: "Independent Researcher, Former Senior Lecturer, Sport and Physical Activity, University of Cumbria. Socialist feminist. Labour Party member.") Doesn't the UK Labour Party have enough shite of its own to sort out?

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is why I said "possibly".

Just putting the info out there.

Maybe if the Americans here could just try to aim their anger at appropriate targets they wouldn't be in this mess.

[–]wecandobetter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll try to explain it simply (I know you Brits think all us Americans are just too stupid to live, but here we go anyway) - Since the early 2000s, Congress and the Senate have been effectively dead as legislative bodies. Laws are made by EO, then the popular ones are codified and the ones too hot to handle get repealed when the government changes hands. An EO will be law for at least 4 if not 8 years. That's long enough for a new rule to shift the very structure of society. A generation can reach adulthood remembering no time when it wasn't the norm. Can it be undone? Yes. Is it stupid to act like it's a big deal? No no no no.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe if the Americans here could just try to aim their anger at appropriate targets they wouldn't be in this mess.

What is this supposed to mean? You came onto a thread on a gender critical forum where (mostly) women were expressing their outrage over Biden's EO and suggested, hey maybe it's not all that bad coz

Possibly it's all for show.

And to back this up, you linked to a Twitter thread by Cathy Devine, a British Labour Party member with a background in "sport and physical activity," not US or international law, that actually didn't say much about the Biden EO at issue. Instead, it mainly dealt with an interpretation of the Bostock decision that preceded (by 12 days) Biden's inauguration and EO.

Now in response to posts that have asked, in essence, why are you trying to minimize this and telling posters here not to be distressed, you say

Maybe if the Americans here could just try to aim their anger at appropriate targets they wouldn't be in this mess.

What next, scolding us that "anger isn't a good look" and "be kind"? Or telling us it serves us right for being a bunch of rubes with the poor judgment to throw off British rule in the 1770s?

I'm someone who follows British politics and media very carefully, coz the UK is my fave country for a number of reasons - and prior to COVID I spent a lot of time there. But I can't imagine going on to Mumsnet or any other forum and telling British people distressed over Brexit, austerity, Dom Cummings, the Tavistock GIDS, Bojo, or NHS waiting times

Maybe if the Brits could just try to aim their anger at appropriate targets they wouldn't be in this mess.

[–]pacmanla 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope you are right.

[–]stillhere 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)