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[–]purrvana 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

It's insane to me that they complained about Joe's promise to do this for weeks and now are suddenly shocked that he did it. Like... wtf did they expect? He literally said it was the first thing he was going to do.

Why are they even on Ovarit if they voted Joe in knowing he'd erase women's rights? It's mind-blowing.

[–]Rationalmind 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Yes, I feel the same way. Kamala had pronouns in her Twitter bio and introduced herself in a debate as she/her/hers. Joe has been pro-trans the whole time and promised to bring back the Obama executive order interpreting sex to mean gender identity. The dems on Ovarit doesn’t make sense to me.

[–]nuhuhno 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indoctrinated. I'm in my sixties; my mother railed, and her father railed about the indoctrination happening in education, and not just public school systems. Why do they think the gender proponents focused on schools? They knew the strategy worked! Inattention has come to bite the citizenry now. Blind, loyal, naïve, complacent mouthpieces furthering the propaganda. Wariness of government overreach, has become "yea, this party will save us". Allowing career politicians and political dynasties has sunk the US, for what my opinion is worth.

Edit. These young women are sadly mistaken if they believe today's Dem party is the same Dem party of the 1960's and 1970's. They're just buying the myth.

[–]our_team_is_winning 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The dems on Ovarit doesn’t make sense to me.

I'm really glad you are all saying this. I like Ovarit because I want to speak up for women and not be called a slur. But there's a lot of Democrat Cultism over there. Politicians are NOT your friend. The Democrats don't care about you. Anyone who believes they do is maybe showing that the Dems are more believable liars (?)

Nancy Pelosi isn't clinging to that gavel and pulling people out of quarantine to vote for her at the age of 80 because she's so dedicated to serving the American people. She's drunk on power. They all are. It was HER HOUSE that passed this horrible bill in the first place.

It doesn't matter how you vote anyway. Elections are rigged. You can't vote the Woke Dictatorship away.

Thanks for letting me rant.

[–]Rationalmind 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad I'm not the only that finds the Democrat cultism and apologists on Ovarit to be irritating. I wish the moderators would remove the downvote button and start everyone off with 1 upvote. The platform, as structured with the ranking levels, results in towing the mainstream talking points up to a certain level. It's bad for productive dialogue when the dem mob can go and downvote an opinion that deviates from their mainstream dem and Biden-approved narrative. It doesn't give others a chance to see the opinion that differs from the groupthink or mainstream narrative before it gets downvoted into oblivion. I do like the platform, but I think it could be improved by removing the ranking system, removing the downvote button, and automatically allocating one upvote to each comment/post.

Totally agree about Nancy Pelosi and that politicians are not our friends. As long as we believe or live under a delusion that politicians are our friends or that the Democratic Party is going to help us at some future point is just moving the goalpost toward something that will never manifest. Meanwhile, the dem cult is voting for the very Party that created, endorsed, and perpetuates our current TRAs issues. If we keep supporting the DNC, then we'll never escape this vicious cycle. We can't fix the trans issue if we're loyal to the Party over our radical feminist goals.

It doesn't matter how you vote anyway. Elections are rigged. You can't vote the Woke Dictatorship away.

Agree, this was shocking for me. I knew the DNC rigged it against Bernie in 2016 and then again in 2020, but I was naive in that I didn't think they'd rig it during the general. I was wrong I see that now. There is no ethical line the political ruling class will not cross. Frankly, I'm wondering if they ever changed the system from voting only being among wealthy male propertied owners. At this point, I think the parties vie for their respective, low-informed political caste voters and keep them in line using fear tactics. The media keeps voters complacent and running on low/ zero information and emotionally manipulative propaganda. It's brilliant in a psychopathic, maniacal, Machiavellian way. Reminds me of the FDR quote, “Presidents are selected, not elected.” I just don't get why they even pretend the people have a vote if this is the case? It's just an illusion of democracy and makes people angry. I wish they'd be upfront about this.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Certainly! I'm glad I'm not alone. It's validating for me, so I hope it is for you too. And thanks for letting me rant too. :)

[–]Finnegan7921 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Brainwashed by the clowns at CNN and MSNBC. The bottom line is that people in DC did not like Trump first and foremost b/c he didn't do what they said and the media was going all in with whatever they could to discredit him, and anyone could get away with just about anything as long as it was anti trump.

Case in point, Marie Yovanovitch, the heroine of the impeachment hearings. Testified that a)Burisman was no big deal, and b)that she knew little about it. Here's the problem, she was lying.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-dept-emails-yovanovitch-met-with-burisma-despite-testifying

"But through a Citizens United Freedom of Information Act request for emails related to Burisma sent by former deputy assistant secretary of state for Europe and Eastern Europe George Kent, the organization obtained more than 160 pages of emails and memos sent during the fall of 2016, including communications between Yovanovitch and U.S. Embassy officials about Burisma Holdings and documents indicating that she met with a representative of the firm at the embassy in December 2016."

Totally bullshitted Congress, labelled a hero. The media could not praise this liar enough. So brave, she risked it all !!!! Why, b/c it hurt Trump. Unelected bureaucrats get very, very pissy when the elected official doesn't want to follow their advice. They guard their territory jealously.

[–]Rationalmind 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The bottom line is that people in DC did not like Trump first and foremost b/c he didn't do what they said and the media was going all in with whatever they could to discredit him, and anyone could get away with just about anything as long as it was anti trump.

Yeah, the media is corrupt. Note, it's "media" and not "news." That word alone should tell you what they do. Media implies entertainment. People are under a mistaken belief from these con institutions that they provide facts. Some secondary outlets are no better. I realized in 2016 if we had any hope, we'd have to reform the media as a top priority because key to a democratic institution (or if you nitpick this then a "constitutional republic") is freedom of the press. We haven't had freedom of the press since Clinton allowed the media corporations to merge and the legislation waived the fairness doctrine and couldn't talk about the military industrial complex. Make no mistake, however, Fox is no better. Fox created the tactics that CNN and MSNBC adopted. Fox's manipulation tactics were most evident under Bush-Cheney.

Secondly, yea, I agree, the ruling class didn't like the white trash Trump clown that they (NBC) created. Hollywood is modern day clowns and court jesters and Trump was one of their jesters. Trump did not and does not fit in with the DC media and ruling political class. Trump was crude, eats fast food, and wanted attention from the proles. That said, Trump was a con and failed to bring his promises during his 2016 campaign. He never fixed healthcare or drained the swamp, and was frankly lazy and needed to spend more time listening to the presidential briefs and not tools on Twitter or Fox. I did like his EOs banning CRT and rescinding the trans takeover of womens spaces, but Biden nuked those yesterday. I think Trump's greatest achievement was that he's been the least interventionist president involving foreign wars in my lifetime. I think Trump got his lobbying-- now rescinded-- EO ban post-office exactly wrong, but it was better than nothing (the ban should be before taking a position in a presidential administration, not after they've served a position). I don't think you can bring an outsider in to fix the problems in Washington. It needs to be someone from within who has integrity and who knows the ropes. Trump wasn't ever going to make an impact longterm without that experience.

The media could not praise this liar enough.

Marie Yovanovitch should be prosecuted for perjury, but I don't even know if Congress has them take an oath about lying or not lying to them. That said, the Russia hoax was just to assuage Hillary Clinton and the DC lobbying class's ego. They failed in 2016 to win over voters but they couldn't admit their own responsibility that led to Trump. There are a variety of media darlings who are pathological, manipulative, warmongers who are passed off as credible, like John Brennan (retired CIA) and Adam Schiff (D-CA).

If we actually want substantive policies we need to:

  1. Amend the Constitution to overturn Citizen's United and every single piece of bad jurisprudence since Buckley v. Valeo (which incorrectly said money is speech), because money is expression.

Once we have this amendment, then we can move to:

  1. Reforming the media;

  2. Reform and require the ruling class to serve constituents; and

  3. Other actual policies that benefit the people.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trump was like a kid who got elected student body president because he was popular on the playground, but then he realized he was invisible at school board meetings because the well-entrenched bureaucrats have been there literally 50 years and their corrupt system won't even listen to suggestions for reforms.

[–]Rationalmind 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yep. Although, I didn't and don't like Trump, he was a good stopgap on the woke influence. To be honest, I was hoping we'd have a stopgap for another four years and could somehow squelch the Woke's influence during that time. Trump wasn't making our lives materially worse, like Biden did yesterday with that Equality Act EO.

I saw Biden was taking credit for lowering student loans to 0% and deferring payments. His administrtion stole that credit. While, I was told that Betsy DeVos is an evil evangelist (which I haven't looked into but have reset my opinion on her to indifferent), she's the one that deserves credit for the 0% interest on loans and deferred payments during Covid. I don't want a man to take her credit even if I may have a [possibly misinformed] presumption against DeVos.

Biden also announced he's thinking of putting troops back in Iraq. I am so over the waste of money that is foreign wars abroad because it wastes our dollars that should be spent here while also creating enemies who then use America as a scapegoat. Like I wish they'd just tell Big Pharma to buy the damn poppy from Afghanistan and don't steal it in the new Opium War.

[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

he was a good stopgap on the woke influence. To be honest, I was hoping we'd have a stopgap for another four years and could somehow squelch the Woke's influence during that time.

On influence in government, yes. But I think his election intensified woke culture to the nth degree. He was the symbol of all that they hated, the symbol that they could rally against and use to remind potential allies of the danger of not censoring and controlling speech. Once he was elected, woke groupthink took over my social network as progressives felt that everyday was a war against Trump politics, and quotidian conversations were now battles between good and evil. They have spent the past four years trying to ferret out any wrongthinkers who are on the wrong side of the war and punish them to set an example to others.

I am hoping that without such a potent symbol to unite against, their cultural influence will wane just in time to get people to oppose Biden's woke policies.

[–]Rationalmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I considered that but can’t decide what’s more dangerous. It’s easier to fight back against people individually than it is to go and reverse damaging laws on the world. Women and girls will suffer under this. Now, CRT and intersectional training will infect our government.

[–]WildApples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, but I do not think it is easy to push back against groupthink. When the TWAW mantra has been deeply internalized, logic and facts are of limited use.

I think that by Biden making the issue so central to his platform and creating real-world consequences for people, there will be more pushback from people who previously were never or only superficially involved in the gender discourse. At least that is my hope.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From the posts I've seen, Trump-phobia literally trumped all other considerations.

I don't see how anyone puts trust in a career politician. What did Joe do in 50 years? Said a lot of racist things. Supported foreign wars. Eagerly took money from the influence peddling industry. Got his creepy son on the board of directors of foreign companies to cash in. Sniffed a lot of little girls. Stole the nomination from Bernie.