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[–]assignedcopatbirth 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The word "right" has lost all meaning. Surely the baby's right to a) get proper nutrition and b) not be used as a fetish prop would trump any AGP's rights to whip his man-boobs out in public.

[–]Finnegan7921 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The left has caused plenty of words to lose their meaning. Nazi has no meaning anymore, b/c they fling it around like a frisbee, neither does fascist, b/c anyone who disagrees with them is a fascist who fantasizes about running a gulag. It is getting comical tbh and it would be funny if these people weren't in power.

[–]fediverseshill 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Xir male's baby identifies as a trans adult who doesn't need any nutrition, you bigot!

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is the man who applauded himself for shutting down a women's rape crisis shelter in Vancouver for not allowing men to stay at the women's rape crisis shelter. It's little surprised he's still feeling enabled to act deranged.

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think the shelter was defunded, not entirely shut down, but it's a horrible thing to do in either case. And what makes it worse is that, as far as I remember, this whole mess started because another TIM wasn't allowed to volunteer there to work with the victims (about a decade ago).

In conclusion, a couple of dudes worked hard, over the course of a few years, to destroy a rape crisis shelter, because it refused to allow men (however they identify) to "offer their services" to very vulnerable women, who would, most likely, not have been very appreciative of said services.

Even if these guys had good intentions, somewhere along the way, the meaning of the word "volunteer" was lost on them. But I'm not deluded enough to believe this was born out of anything but a huge sense of entitlement, because their little performative act of "volunteering to help" was more important than actually helping by backing the fuck off when asked.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, you're right: Vancouver Rape Relief was defunded by the city, not shut down.

this whole mess started because another TIM wasn't allowed to volunteer there to work with the victims (about a decade ago).

It actually started longer ago than that - in the early 1990s. Vancouver Rape Relief told TIM Kimberly Nixon that as a male he wasn't an appropriate candidate to train and serve as a peer counselor to female persons who had been raped & sexual assaulted by men, so in 1995 Nixon filed a human rights complaint against VRR with the BC Human Rights Tribunal (the same organization that has given Jonathan Yaniv license and free rein to sue loads of women for "discrimination" coz of their refusal to wax his balls).

Nixon’s complaint was upheld by the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal with a $7,500 reward from Rape Relief, but after VRR appealed the British Columbia Supreme Court found discrimination had not occurred.

Of course, Nixon couldn't leave it there. Nixon appealed to the BC Court of Appeal, which dismissed Nixon’s appeal. Finally, the case went to the Supreme Court of Canada, which dismissed Nixon's request for a final appeal in 2007.

That's 12 years of litigation overall. In 2013, Morgane Ogre [sic] joined Nixon's crusade against VRR:

Morgane Oger, who chairs the Trans Alliance Society, said she has been advocating since 2013 for Rape Relief’s municipal funding to be stopped.

So altogether, these men have been conducting an aggressive campaign against VRR for 25-30 years now.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/03/21/trans-woman-hopes-funding-cut-will-send-message-to-vancouver-rape-crisis-group/

Even if these guys had good intentions, somewhere along the way, the meaning of the word "volunteer" was lost on them. But I'm not deluded enough to believe this was born out of anything but a huge sense of entitlement, because their little performative act of "volunteering to help" was more important than actually helping by backing the fuck off when asked.

Of course, the sense of entitlement of these men was/is a big factor in their motivations. But there was most likely much more to it. My hunch is that the TIM who "volunteered" to be a rape crisis counselor for women, and who sued Vancouver Rape Relief when he was informed he was ineligible for that position, wanted to hear the stories of women being raped coz he gets off on them. He was looking for juicy material for his wank bank.

Also, I imagine he might have been motivated by classic "savior complex" symptoms and an authoritarian streak a mile wide. I suspect he wanted to be in the position of rescuer, healer and giver of wise counsel to injured, vulnerable women at a very low point in their lives.

At the same time, I bet he was champing at the bit for the chance to tell the female rape victims he envisioned himself "helping" exactly how they should react to, interpret, frame and speak about their experiences of being raped or otherwise sexually assaulted/abused. There are tons of guys out there, "trans" and not, who are hellbent on telling girls and women that the way we react to being sexually victimized by men is wrong and "neurotic" and "phobic." And that the best way for us to get over our bad experience with a man or men is to get some "good cock" from a man who isn't quite as rapey and abusive.

I think probably this TIM's need for "validation" of his phony "gender identity" came into play too. So, I imagine, did a desire to go slumming on the other side of the sex divide where those of us he sees as inherently second-class, less than human, dumb and degraded live - akin to "disaster tourism."

Finally, I've a hunch this fella and others of his ilk was/are also motivated by a great deal of classic male sadistic voyeurism. Interestingly, I just looked up the dictionary definition of "voyeurism'" and found that according to the one I use (Oxford), voyeurism has two meanings:

  • 1) "the practice of gaining sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity" - which in this case I think could be extended to mean gaining sexual pleasure from hearing persons of the opposite talk about and reveal the details of being sexually assaulted and degraded by persons of your own sex;

  • 2) "enjoyment from seeing the pain or distress of others"

[–]teacherterf 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Some more context for the defunding:

  • There are (at least) nine women's shelters in the Vancouver area. Eight (8) of them are fully "inclusive", providing an entire slate of services to everyone who claims to identify as a woman. VRR, contrary to propaganda, only extends most of its services (such as counselling) to males.

  • The municipal grant that VRR lost after Oger's intervention was worth around $30,000/year. The other shelters receive municipal funding totalling around $200,000.

  • Vancouver is committed to equity and allows organizations that restrict services to equity-seeking groups to receive public funding. For instance, organizations that provide services for indigenous youth and Chinese seniors both receive public funding. "Equity-seeking groups" are defined at the city level as ones that have historically endured discrimination on the basis of race, gender, age, religious affiliation, or disability. Notice anything missing?

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for the details. It is amazing to me that anyone could read about the events that occurred, and still willingly support these asswipes, or have the gall to fawn over them on social platforms and call them "brave".

And I think you are right in believing that there was something more insidious that motivated Nixon to do what he did. Otherwise he wouldn't have spent decades running a crusade against the one shelter that denied him access to rape victims.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 10 fun14 insightful - 9 fun15 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

He needs to switch the 'r' and 'e' in his last name. That'd be more accurate.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That's not baby food leaking from your moobs, sweaty. Fuck right the hell off.

[–]Mermer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Wwww-what? Is he able to breast feed? What the fuck? Is the baby going to feed on silicone? What is his point? What? I truly don't get it is there any sort of logic to this man wanting a baby to suck on his nipple in public if he can't feed it? This is the second most I've been creeped out by them.

[–]889250 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Have you seen some of the posts defending the idea that trans women can lactate and therefore breastfeed? I believe it has something to do with taking more hormones but I don't remember exactly.

I have never breastfed but I was under the impression there are many medications you shouldn't take while breastfeeding. I'm very certain artificial hormones should fall under that category. Whatever "milk" they produce would surely be lacking in proper nutrients and full of whatever hormones theyre pumping into themselves.

But fuck the baby who doesn't have a say as long as this transwoman feels valid and gender euphoric, I guess.

[–]MarkTwainiac 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, seen lots of posts like that. It's important to make the distinction between the terms, to refute the idea that

trans women can lactate and therefore breastfeed

Just to clarify: being able to lactate is not the same as being able to breastfeed.

Lactate means to "secrete milk." Most women who've given birth naturally lactate within a few days, but for various reasons - such as latch problems, illness on her part or the baby's, painful or infected nipples, work schedules, other obligations - many find they cannot breastfeed. And some mothers don't wish to.

Some mothers find they can breastfeed, but are unable to make enough milk to be their infants' sole source of nutrition. A woman has to produce quite a lot of milk to nourish and sustain the life of a newborn until the child is old enough to start taking solid food.

Moreover, breastfeeding a newborn begins before a mother starts lactating. It usually takes several days (3-5 days) after giving birth for a new mother's "milk to come in." Prior to that, a new mother's breasts will secrete colostrum, a non-milk substance that's rich in antibodies. The purpose of colostrum is provide immune benefits to a newborn; it's a way a mother transfers the acquired immunity to pathogens that she has developed over her lifetime directly to her baby.

Many male humans secrete a milky-looking substance from their nipples when they develop certain diseases like pituitary cancer and hypogonadism that results in low testosterone. This is called galactorrhea. These men are often said to "lactate" and the discharge is often referred to as "milk." However, chemically, this milky-looking discharge isn't the same as a mother's breastmilk, nor does it necessarily even come close (these secretions are rarely sent to labs for analysis, so exactly what's coming out of these men's nipples isn't entirely clear).

Even if a man with galactorrhea did produce milk or something like milk, there's no way the secretions from his nipples could immunize or keep a baby alive. Coz there's no reason on earth why males with galactorrhea would be secreting antibodies meant/suited for newborn babies from their nipples, and the milky-looking secretions that come out of their nipples tend to be in small quantity. Whereas new mothers produce a fair bit of colostrum - and huge quantities of milk.

A week-old baby will be consuming 16 to 22 oz of milk per day, approximately 473 to 650 mL. Babies between 1 and 6 months will consume 19-30 ounces per day, or 570-900 mL, for an average of 25 oz or 750 mL a day. However, some exclusively breastfed babies will consume as much as 1,350 mL per day, more than 45 ounces.

Another feature of breastfeeding that sets it apart from lactating as well as having galactorrhea is that the makeup of a mother's breastmilk changes over the course of her child's life to give the child exactly the nutrients the child needs in exactly the right amount. How, exactly, this occurs isn't clear, but the relationship between mother and a breastfeeding baby is complex.

There have been a couple of anecdotal reports published in the sensational Western press over time of male "explorers" to "exotic" lands who've claimed they saw a case here and there of a man from a "primitive" tribe breastfeeding his child. I know the esteemed novelist Louise Erdrich says this is a tradition amongst some of the Native American peoples she has written about (she's a member of the Ojibwa, but has written about other tribes too). And of course, a few TIMs have claimed they've breastfed their children.

But AFAIK, there's never been a proven case of a male who was able to produce actual breastmilk similar to a woman's, nor to produce nipple discharge in anywhere near the amount of breastmilk a baby would need to stay alive and to grow properly.

However, if men could breastfeed, and the breastmilk were shown to be as as good for babies as mother's milk, then a lot of women and men would be all for it. For example, the man I had children with would have loved to have been able to breastfeed (out of paternal love, not coz of fetishism or for "validation"), and I would've been more than happy to share the job with him - or let him take it over completely.

Given how envious men are of women's reproductive and breastfeeding abilities, and how clever men are in areas such as science and technology, if men really did have the potential to breastfeed children, I'd think they would have figured out how to do so by now. STEM fields are full of AGP TIMs, many of them with pregnancy and breastfeeding fetishes. So how come none of 'em have solved the male and/or TW "breastfeeding problem"?

Of course, fathers can and often do provide babies with connection and comfort by holding them against their naked chests. Babies will benefit from the warmth, the skin-to-skin contact, the smell and the sound of their dads' breathing and heartbeat. Sometimes babies will try to suckle their dads' nipples in these situations. That's fine and can be helpful to a child, just as sucking on a pacifier can soothe a baby, especially in the intense oral stages of development. But it's not the same as breastfeeding.

I was under the impression there are many medications you shouldn't take while breastfeeding. I'm very certain artificial hormones should fall under that category

You are correct. Women are usually instructed to avoid pretty much every medication while breastfeeding, and some kinds of food and drink (alcohol, coffee, soda) as well. Artificial hormones that are known to carry risks to the health of adults could cause all sorts of harm to vulnerable infants. Only someone supremely selfish and/or very sick in the head would consider doing this to a baby.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a great summary and explanation. Thank you!

[–]distortedlinds 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i always look forward to your replies, so wonderful

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

STEM fields are full of AGP TIMs, many of them with pregnancy and breastfeeding fetishes.

AGP fetishes never fail to make me throw up in my mouth. There's probably a fetish about that too! EXCELLENT summary there, as always.

[–]marmorsymphata 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's called emetophilia. Know about it bc I was friends with a girl that had it on tumblr. Sorry lmfao

[–]arcticbasket 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

fuck the baby

The baby is not important.

You know who's important? ME! ME! ME!

[–]Kai_Decadence 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm more than sure that this whole breastfeeding thing is some fetish/kink. Like they don't care about the baby, they just want that sexual high from having a baby suckle on their chest while they more than likely get a hard-on from the activity (and yes I feel gross just saying that)

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A TIM wrote about his attempts to breastfeed his newborn in The Stranger a couple of years back. The first paragraph:

Breastfeeding is freaky. Not the sucking bit. You're reading The Stranger, so odds are you've had a titty sucked at some point in your life. No, it's because when my baby attached to my breast, there was an incredible chemical cascade that ran through my entire body like lightning. Imagine the most electric thing a partner has ever done to you, then multiply it by 10. I could feel my brain rewiring, creating pathways that would permanently connect me to my child. (And yeah, I kind of got off on it. Don't judge.)

https://www.thestranger.com/queer-issue-2017/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter

After grossed-out readers did "judge" this creep, he went on to Twitter to claim:

"The fact is that 25-30% of women who breastfeed experience some kind of pleasure or arousal. It's a reason many stop - they're embarrassed."

"Many women also experience orgasm during natural childbirth. We also don't talk about that because women's bodies and sexuality are taboo."

Actually the claim that many women orgasm during labor and childbirth is utter rubbish. The originator/inventer of this claim is a male "researcher" in France who says it's a revelation disclosed to him by midwives whom he says responded to a survey he posted online.

The reason "we don't talk about" about women orgasming during natural childbirth is because it's a fantasy made up by perverted males who covet and fetishize female bodies and processes coz it makes their dicks hard and gives them those super-thrilling sensations when they orgasm that TIMs call "gender euphoria."

Some of the women who dared to "judge" this fetishist posted their responses on Lipstick Alley:

These people must be stopped at all costs. They’re literally forcefeeding whatever curdled nutrient deficient rancid hormone filled mess that seeps out of a man to newborn infants. What medical doctors are allowing this???

a man literally bragging about getting hard feeding a newborn, what the fuck kind of bullshit world

I’m so mad he literally yanked the baby away before the mother could hold it and ran into the backroom to live out his sick fantasy. I’m pretty sure the first thing a baby eats post partum shouldn’t be experimental hormone induced manmilk but of course it’s all about how this narcissist feels, not what’s best for the baby.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/stunning-and-brave-mtof-transpretender-%E2%80%9Cbreastfeeds%E2%80%9D-newborn-baby.2769589/

[–]Kai_Decadence 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YEP I had a feeling that's what it was about. It had to be some stupid kink/fetish. Women experience orgasm through breastfeeding and childbirth? These people are ridiculous and just sex-obsessed.

[–]distortedlinds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You just KNOW there's going to be a specialized silicon implant created for this, to squirt formula out of a pierced nipple. For "inclusion"

[–]Chunkeeguy[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Oh not him again, the Troll named Ogre. Canada's Top Ten Narcissists -- he's trying to reach that top spot but Yaniv keeps getting it.

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, the Narci awards. It's been a bitter struggle over it for years in Canada. I feel for Ogre, I really do. He's been working the political angle for years, and along comes this upstart with a tampon fetish and just steals the prize. Now that Ogre's been voted out I don't see any way for him to make a comeback. Such a shame.

[–]slushpilot 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So glad he got voted out of BC politics. People are so tired of this shit.

[–]distortedlinds 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

be careful of that dude, he goes on rampant reporting sprees and deliberately baits "terfs" to then report to twitter and get removed.

[–]Chunkeeguy[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes he's a particularly sinister character reminiscent of a Disney cartoon villain.

[–]distortedlinds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i wouldn't give him that much credit :P

[–]Femaleisnthateful 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Morgane Oger is the creep who coached Jessica Yaniv, until it became politically nonviable to do so. He's gross in so many ways; it disgusts me that he still has the support of the BC NDP party.

[–]Kai_Decadence 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What does that even mean? lol