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[–]889250 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Have you seen some of the posts defending the idea that trans women can lactate and therefore breastfeed? I believe it has something to do with taking more hormones but I don't remember exactly.

I have never breastfed but I was under the impression there are many medications you shouldn't take while breastfeeding. I'm very certain artificial hormones should fall under that category. Whatever "milk" they produce would surely be lacking in proper nutrients and full of whatever hormones theyre pumping into themselves.

But fuck the baby who doesn't have a say as long as this transwoman feels valid and gender euphoric, I guess.

[–]MarkTwainiac 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, seen lots of posts like that. It's important to make the distinction between the terms, to refute the idea that

trans women can lactate and therefore breastfeed

Just to clarify: being able to lactate is not the same as being able to breastfeed.

Lactate means to "secrete milk." Most women who've given birth naturally lactate within a few days, but for various reasons - such as latch problems, illness on her part or the baby's, painful or infected nipples, work schedules, other obligations - many find they cannot breastfeed. And some mothers don't wish to.

Some mothers find they can breastfeed, but are unable to make enough milk to be their infants' sole source of nutrition. A woman has to produce quite a lot of milk to nourish and sustain the life of a newborn until the child is old enough to start taking solid food.

Moreover, breastfeeding a newborn begins before a mother starts lactating. It usually takes several days (3-5 days) after giving birth for a new mother's "milk to come in." Prior to that, a new mother's breasts will secrete colostrum, a non-milk substance that's rich in antibodies. The purpose of colostrum is provide immune benefits to a newborn; it's a way a mother transfers the acquired immunity to pathogens that she has developed over her lifetime directly to her baby.

Many male humans secrete a milky-looking substance from their nipples when they develop certain diseases like pituitary cancer and hypogonadism that results in low testosterone. This is called galactorrhea. These men are often said to "lactate" and the discharge is often referred to as "milk." However, chemically, this milky-looking discharge isn't the same as a mother's breastmilk, nor does it necessarily even come close (these secretions are rarely sent to labs for analysis, so exactly what's coming out of these men's nipples isn't entirely clear).

Even if a man with galactorrhea did produce milk or something like milk, there's no way the secretions from his nipples could immunize or keep a baby alive. Coz there's no reason on earth why males with galactorrhea would be secreting antibodies meant/suited for newborn babies from their nipples, and the milky-looking secretions that come out of their nipples tend to be in small quantity. Whereas new mothers produce a fair bit of colostrum - and huge quantities of milk.

A week-old baby will be consuming 16 to 22 oz of milk per day, approximately 473 to 650 mL. Babies between 1 and 6 months will consume 19-30 ounces per day, or 570-900 mL, for an average of 25 oz or 750 mL a day. However, some exclusively breastfed babies will consume as much as 1,350 mL per day, more than 45 ounces.

Another feature of breastfeeding that sets it apart from lactating as well as having galactorrhea is that the makeup of a mother's breastmilk changes over the course of her child's life to give the child exactly the nutrients the child needs in exactly the right amount. How, exactly, this occurs isn't clear, but the relationship between mother and a breastfeeding baby is complex.

There have been a couple of anecdotal reports published in the sensational Western press over time of male "explorers" to "exotic" lands who've claimed they saw a case here and there of a man from a "primitive" tribe breastfeeding his child. I know the esteemed novelist Louise Erdrich says this is a tradition amongst some of the Native American peoples she has written about (she's a member of the Ojibwa, but has written about other tribes too). And of course, a few TIMs have claimed they've breastfed their children.

But AFAIK, there's never been a proven case of a male who was able to produce actual breastmilk similar to a woman's, nor to produce nipple discharge in anywhere near the amount of breastmilk a baby would need to stay alive and to grow properly.

However, if men could breastfeed, and the breastmilk were shown to be as as good for babies as mother's milk, then a lot of women and men would be all for it. For example, the man I had children with would have loved to have been able to breastfeed (out of paternal love, not coz of fetishism or for "validation"), and I would've been more than happy to share the job with him - or let him take it over completely.

Given how envious men are of women's reproductive and breastfeeding abilities, and how clever men are in areas such as science and technology, if men really did have the potential to breastfeed children, I'd think they would have figured out how to do so by now. STEM fields are full of AGP TIMs, many of them with pregnancy and breastfeeding fetishes. So how come none of 'em have solved the male and/or TW "breastfeeding problem"?

Of course, fathers can and often do provide babies with connection and comfort by holding them against their naked chests. Babies will benefit from the warmth, the skin-to-skin contact, the smell and the sound of their dads' breathing and heartbeat. Sometimes babies will try to suckle their dads' nipples in these situations. That's fine and can be helpful to a child, just as sucking on a pacifier can soothe a baby, especially in the intense oral stages of development. But it's not the same as breastfeeding.

I was under the impression there are many medications you shouldn't take while breastfeeding. I'm very certain artificial hormones should fall under that category

You are correct. Women are usually instructed to avoid pretty much every medication while breastfeeding, and some kinds of food and drink (alcohol, coffee, soda) as well. Artificial hormones that are known to carry risks to the health of adults could cause all sorts of harm to vulnerable infants. Only someone supremely selfish and/or very sick in the head would consider doing this to a baby.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a great summary and explanation. Thank you!

[–]distortedlinds 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i always look forward to your replies, so wonderful

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

STEM fields are full of AGP TIMs, many of them with pregnancy and breastfeeding fetishes.

AGP fetishes never fail to make me throw up in my mouth. There's probably a fetish about that too! EXCELLENT summary there, as always.

[–]marmorsymphata 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's called emetophilia. Know about it bc I was friends with a girl that had it on tumblr. Sorry lmfao

[–]arcticbasket 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

fuck the baby

The baby is not important.

You know who's important? ME! ME! ME!

[–]Kai_Decadence 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm more than sure that this whole breastfeeding thing is some fetish/kink. Like they don't care about the baby, they just want that sexual high from having a baby suckle on their chest while they more than likely get a hard-on from the activity (and yes I feel gross just saying that)

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A TIM wrote about his attempts to breastfeed his newborn in The Stranger a couple of years back. The first paragraph:

Breastfeeding is freaky. Not the sucking bit. You're reading The Stranger, so odds are you've had a titty sucked at some point in your life. No, it's because when my baby attached to my breast, there was an incredible chemical cascade that ran through my entire body like lightning. Imagine the most electric thing a partner has ever done to you, then multiply it by 10. I could feel my brain rewiring, creating pathways that would permanently connect me to my child. (And yeah, I kind of got off on it. Don't judge.)

https://www.thestranger.com/queer-issue-2017/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter

After grossed-out readers did "judge" this creep, he went on to Twitter to claim:

"The fact is that 25-30% of women who breastfeed experience some kind of pleasure or arousal. It's a reason many stop - they're embarrassed."

"Many women also experience orgasm during natural childbirth. We also don't talk about that because women's bodies and sexuality are taboo."

Actually the claim that many women orgasm during labor and childbirth is utter rubbish. The originator/inventer of this claim is a male "researcher" in France who says it's a revelation disclosed to him by midwives whom he says responded to a survey he posted online.

The reason "we don't talk about" about women orgasming during natural childbirth is because it's a fantasy made up by perverted males who covet and fetishize female bodies and processes coz it makes their dicks hard and gives them those super-thrilling sensations when they orgasm that TIMs call "gender euphoria."

Some of the women who dared to "judge" this fetishist posted their responses on Lipstick Alley:

These people must be stopped at all costs. They’re literally forcefeeding whatever curdled nutrient deficient rancid hormone filled mess that seeps out of a man to newborn infants. What medical doctors are allowing this???

a man literally bragging about getting hard feeding a newborn, what the fuck kind of bullshit world

I’m so mad he literally yanked the baby away before the mother could hold it and ran into the backroom to live out his sick fantasy. I’m pretty sure the first thing a baby eats post partum shouldn’t be experimental hormone induced manmilk but of course it’s all about how this narcissist feels, not what’s best for the baby.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/stunning-and-brave-mtof-transpretender-%E2%80%9Cbreastfeeds%E2%80%9D-newborn-baby.2769589/

[–]Kai_Decadence 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YEP I had a feeling that's what it was about. It had to be some stupid kink/fetish. Women experience orgasm through breastfeeding and childbirth? These people are ridiculous and just sex-obsessed.

[–]distortedlinds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)