Woman getting shouted at for not raising the fist.

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[–]yishengqingwa666 43 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 0 fun44 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Woke" is a great way for men to intimidate and threaten women and get a pass.

[–]SaidOverRed 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember when people warned of the exact same body movement with the exact same meaning behind it in the 1960's?

[–]aldoushuxleyghost 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Scary stuff. And another video handed to the right and trump supporters to stoke their anger. This will create reactionaries. Also I think this belongs here ... She was singled out by a mob because women are always the first to be bullied, we're seen as targets.

[–]owmygenderfeels 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also I think this belongs here ... She was singled out by a mob because women are always the first to be bullied, we're seen as targets.

Yes, and the warping of the term "violence" to mean a failure to comply which should be treated as if it were actual violence is highly relevant here.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw video of a couple being singled out, but I'm not sure it was the same place.

[–]BEB 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Really disturbing, but not sure this belongs on a GC sub?

What's really sad is that many of the white kids participating in this mob behavior are relatively privileged, while many of the business people whose life's work is being destroyed by looters are not.

Also, to put this in perspective, I was attacked by a mob of male George Dubya Bush supporters at a peace rally when all I was doing was holding a peace sign.

Both sides have their extremists.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it is relevant to GC because it's compelled speech or compelled action, just like personal pronouns are (or will be). In Canada, gender pronouns are already considered compelled speech by the government. Not going along with them can potentially be considered "hate speech" (kind of like how people lately have been saying "silence is violence" when it comes to not saying "BLM" or raising a fist). Compelled speech/action are the beginning of the loss of free speech.

And those same privileged people are the ones who have nothing else to do but change genders because they're too bored being "cis" or straight. TRAs and BLM are very tightly entwined I've noticed.

[–]jet199 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately many women only see TRA dogma as wrong because it effects them personally in a negative way. They still want to hold on to these bad ways of thinking in other areas where other people are the losers. But it always comes back on women eventually because we are the easiest target.

I mean this women was even a sometime protestor herself she just didn't agree with their tactics. Being on the good guys side won't save you if that side turns authoritarian.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Support of transgenders specifically is part of BLM's platform. You can read it on BLM's website.

[–]Marsupial 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

To semi-quote JKR: " ‘Feminazi’, ‘TERF’, ‘b****’, ‘witch’. Times change. Woman-hate is eternal. "

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Only 1 of those is a literal insult.

[–]Bitchcraft 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nazi is an insult ... even to the literal 1930s nazis. The called themselves Nationalsozialisten. Modern actual-nazis in german-speaking countries call themselves some variety of "rechtsnational".

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Although there is modern pejoration of those terms, they were not originally officially insults as you claim. The word in German is "nationalsozialistische" or if I capitalize the acronym for you: "NAt...oZIa...e" Now do you see where the letters, N-a-z-i comes from (at least to English speakers)?

[–]Bitchcraft 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a native speaker of German, just no.

Of course nazi is a play at nationalsozialistisch, but this is a backronym. They hated that term. The bavarian term Igantzius means moron, sort of. "Nazi" was a shorthand. The whole situation is a lot like "Daesh" for ISIS.

While we're at it, the German word "Sozialismus" has fuck all to do with "socialism" as it is used in English.

[–]Finnegan7921 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This BLM mob bullshit is a form of mass hysteria.

[–]Daraincork 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Middle class tossers indulge in role playing in toytown revolution. Can't see the connection with socialism or anti racism.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm guessing you're from the UK? From what I gather, in the UK, the term "middle-class" is about the same as "upper upper middle-class" in the US.

And I agree that many of the white BLM protestors, at least in the US, are relatively rich kids. Here they are bored by COVID lockdown, indoctrinated into Post-modernism, Queer Theory, and Critical Race Theory by their schools, and thinking these protests are their anti-Vietnam war movement or something.

They most probably won't vote this fall. I bet most aren't even registered.

And yes, they are handing the GOP the election. I'm guessing, like Trans, Inc., that there are sinister forces behind these "protests" and these kids (and most people) do not realize that the kids are being used to further an agenda.

Like the "Defund the Police" that suspiciously popped-up when the earlier riots were at their worst. Who in their right mind wants no police force? Reform? YES. But when there are no police, its women and minority men who suffer the most. Rich people can afford their private security - in my area people are starting to fund private security forces on a neighborhood basis. Everyone else?

[–]msteacherlady 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

People like my father, who no longer support Trump are pointing to this shit and saying, "See?". When he and people like him think their vote will make the difference in stopping "antifa" from coming to their suburbs to "take their homes", they're going to vote for Trump again after all.

I've had conversations with liberal like minded colleagues and friends and they say, "No one's literally calling to defund the police!" but that is literally is what they mean. Then they tell me, well cops have raped underage girls detained in their squad cars. I'm appalled that we can't punish men who rape women while also having effective law enforcement.

Like with teaching, a huge chunk of the costs of law enforcement are salaries and pensions. There have been so many hit pieces done on evil teacher unions and now that we have DeVos at the helm I really worry for the integrity and stability of my profession. I always thought our Police and Firefighter unions were untouchable as they're the "great heroes" with calendars and special red/blue line flags and everything. But finally here's a way the money tied up in law enforcement salaries and pensions gets released without pissing off law n' order types like my father. Then you put the burden of community policing on the already stretched-thin and poorly compensated social workers. Brilliant, well done.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

When Trump was first elected, I had an old, formerly-Liberal, friend, now Trumpkin, tell me that the Woman's March (that I had attended) was funded by Soros. I made fun of my friend and said something like, "Well, my check from Soros must still be in the mail."

But now, seeing how much Soros funds Trans, Inc. internationally (he was the largest donor to transgender causes for years and might still be. Warren Buffett (sp?) son is another big funder of Trans, Inc.,) I'm thinking that my friend might have been partially right, in that I think that a huge portion of the BLM activism (not the protestors themselves, but whatever force is behind the organization) and "Defund the Police", etc., movements are being funded in order to destabilize societies and keep us divided so that we won't rise up against the 0.1%

IMO all of this chaos is being very deliberately created. Identity politics is one of the best ways to keep the masses in turmoil and at each others throats.

Given how much Trans, Inc., is funded by billionaire investors with a financial interest in childhood transition, as well as Big Medicine/Pharma, they might have sucked Democrats into the gender ideology madness to make the Dems look like idiots and lose Independent voters because Trans, Inc., actually wants the GOP to win.

This because the GOP will deregulate medicine/pharmaceuticals and the stock market, so in the long run, a GOP victory means more money to the billionaire class.

It's a game within a game, and the 99.99% are the real losers.

[–]msteacherlady 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is giving me flashbacks! My husbands friend, also a liberal, warned me about the funding behind the Woman's March when he learned I went, and my own father was the one who said to my mother and I, "Y'know, I heard you're not supposed to wear those hats because not everyone has a pink...you know." I knew those guys were reading some kooky shit, so how was I to know this was one of the things they could have been right on?

Meanwhile an old good friend has expressed to me over the phone with a quiver in his voice that he's willing to take collateral damage to prevent the killings. We've both been in situations where there may have been a killing (our own) if not for the intervention of the police, and his uncle is a sheriff so I'm just baffled in the short term by his behavior. But I can see the long con. My sister in law lives in a gated community with very few points of entry otherwise due to geography. Defund the police and they'll still have their private guard and everyone in that community is personally armed on top of that. She's not even the 1%! Those folks will be fine and the rest of us can just murder and sterilize ourselves as we fight over scraps and Louis Vuitton bags.

[–]MonstrousRegiment 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Please be careful about pointing the finger at Soros, it's a common anti-semitic tactic. I agree that like other well-meaning wealthy people he is sending money to causes that hurt women, but linking conspiracy thinking to his name is a really bad move.

Yes, there's a lot of effort going into creating political chaos in the US but I doubt very much it's coming from Soros.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do appreciate your sensitivities, but if someone is doing something to harm women then I'm going to point it out. I also mentioned Warren Buffett's son's support for transgender activism, and, as far as I know, he is not a Jew.

Soros was the number one funder of transgender causes globally for years. I got that off of a pro-LGBT site that tracks LGBT funding. IIRC that site was LGBTFunders.org but I can find the exact source if you're interested.

And, Soros organization boasts about his passionate attachment to transgender issues.

Part of the reason we women are in the predicament we're in is because, under the sway of post-Modernist-ish type thought, people, from Donald Trump to Charltte Clymr are allowed to create their own reality - but in the real reality, women's lives, sexual safety and sports are being destroyed in favor of men's feelings.

If we continue to let that happen - continue to discard or overlook facts in favor of not hurting people's feelings, we will never get our rights back.

[–]MonstrousRegiment 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What you say is right. I just want some vigilance on this issue. It's notable (Dworkin noted it) that misogyny and anti-semitism often go hand-in-hand.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had asked another poster if we could please keep the "anti-Semitism" conversation off this sub because this is a GC sub about GC issues: I don't think that a debate about what constitutes "anti-Semitism" (versus being critical of Israel) is relevant.

I also think that said debate could divide women fighting desperately for our rights and we need to be more unified now than ever. So again, I ask respectfully that we leave the debate on what constitutes "anti-Semitism" to other subs.

In regards to this sub: I don't think that criticizing George Soros for funding transgender activism constitutes "anti-Semitism" any more than criticizing Obama for changing the definition of "sex" under Title IX to include "gender identity" (thus allowing men to compete against women in athletics, use girls' locker rooms, etc.) is anti-Black. The fact that Soros is a Jew and Obama is half-Black is irrelevant, it's the damage that they are doing to women's rights that should concern us all. Thanks!

[–]MonstrousRegiment 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed

[–]msteacherlady 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like I'm going bonkers. Any time I heard "Soros" I'd reflexively roll my eyes but these days the back of my mind is nags "...but what if?"

It's what brains do defensively, looking for patterns in the chaos.

But what you're saying is the sober take. It's political chaos for the sake of political chaos and however some people are able to take advantage of that.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had no opinion of Soros before, beyond thinking that he supported some good causes. For instance, his organization exposed hidden CIA torture sites.

But since I found out about his over-the-top support for transgender activism, I now feel that on the whole Soros is not a good guy. There's an interview on YouTube of Soros talking about helping his captors persecute other prisoners, including Jews, when he was in a concentration camp. That he did it because he himself wanted to survive would have been a bit more understandable, but he didn't put it that way.

My point though was not about any individual billionaire, it was that some billionaires seem to be acting collectively to destabilize societies worldwide, and especially attack women's rights. Women are often the gatekeepers to civilization, so that could be the entire point in taking what little power we have away.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/status/1298373894529847302?s=19

Those kids were asked to come to the front by black protestors.

[–]Veneficca 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were just itching for her to perform Karenness, weren't they? They must be so disappointed they didn't get a better video out of their righteous fury.

[–]materialrealityplz 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Woke people and their tyrannical righteousness. Scary stuff.

[–]WillowCreek 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Orwell.

[–]Cass 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are they protesting the fact that there are more slaves right now in the world than there ever were? That FGM and acid attacks have risen in the western world? That China built concentration camps to put in people they don't like?

No? But I thought silence is consent.

edit: and let's not forget these protests started because a drugged-up violent thug. A man who in his past had threatened to shoot a pregnant woman

[–]blackrainbow 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

USA are a circus 🤡

[–]Complicated-Spirit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s terrifying. These idiot kids use these tactics and then have the gall to proclaim themselves “anti-fascist”. What’s more fascist than using intimidation and fear to compel others into doing as you say, and following your orders?

What’s scary is that I can see myself in her position. A BLM supporter, but in that place and time, just being overwhelmed with that daze of “Wait, WTF is happening, why are these people surrounding me? (Is it because I’m a while woman and they think I’m the enemy whereas the white men around us and among us are being ignored and left alone?)” and just with the whole shock and surprise of the situation not knowing what to do. And then not wanting to cooperate with something, not because I disagree with BLM, but because I disagree with this intimidation tactic. This “Do it or else” tactic. The assuming that I’m a bad person if I don’t bow to pressure through fear.

I was reading recently a great paper on how “dark victimhood” - basically, the utilization of a created victimhood narrative by people possessing the “dark triad” of psychopathy - is more common than we think, because those people find a way to take advantage of whatever tools they have at their disposal to use and manipulate others to get what they want. It both very badly hurts the causes of genuine victims and diverts resources towards themselves. It’s a very scary thing that people aren’t aware that a psychopath or a narcissist isn’t just a white guy with an amazing haircut in a high-paying corporate job. It could be anyone, and that person will use any means they have to manipulate others to bend to their will. A person can be a woman, a racial minority, a religious minority, non-heterosexual, or claim a gender identity different from their birth sex, and still be a completely dangerous human being, completely separate from both their lack of American Psycho-ness and their minority status. And they can and will use a claim of victimhood to achieve their goals. I wish more people knew this. It’s so insidious.