GC: Why is there more focus on trans women than trans men?

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-28T10:35:00+00:00

I... Feel like I shouldn't have to explain social media presence has only been a big factor in peoples minds for no more than the past 5-6 years. You won't see me defending people stopping science from happening, but what about alllllll the time before that. You do understand that trans people have been studied in earnest for more than 30 years, right? Were tras shooting those studies down for the other 25?

You could admit, at the very least, that a lack of alternatives for "transition" is exactly what QT wants.

I mean, am i qt? Cause thats the exact opposite of what i want

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T08:13:23+00:00

Women are told this all the time. We are not even noticing such answers, huh.

So maybe realize it's a shitty thing to do and don't do it.

Radfems have doxxed me. They are shit people. Don't defend them, even in 'general'. I wouldn't defend tras doing likewise

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T07:14:21+00:00

You are reading the opposite of what I wrote.

In response to my saying I've been targeted with harassment by gcers you said

I am pretty sure in rare cases it is possible for some GC to be agressive (like adungitut in this sub or Posie Parker), after being tired of being threatened themselves.

after being tired of being threatened themselves.

Like I can't read that any differently than 'sure that sucks but think about how they feel too'

Many GC are anonymous because of this, as a lot of trans activists are doxxing us...

Yes, yes, I get it, you are much more oppressed.

And for the billionth time today

most likely is not very legal

Quite legal. Ddosing however is not.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T06:46:21+00:00

Ah, actually my bad, I thought you were the person who had said that, your response read kind of like it was a continuation of it and I should have looked, you can safely ignore me.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T05:59:00+00:00

Cute how you jump right into emotionally manipulative falsehoods

That's like 90% of radfem rhetoric though? It's literally what you're doing right now in response to wanting children to get treatment though.

But can I be real with you house? We've literally already had this conversation. We don't need to have it again I think. Have a nice night though, glad you got to see the moon yesterday.

Oh and I think I was going to message you but forgot. Sorry for going off on you a couple weeks ago. Visited my parents, they drank me under the table, went on a drunken posting spree. Sorry bout that

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T05:37:43+00:00

alok

Who? I got doxxed by a radfem can I call you a shitty person for it?

Also i swear none of you actually believe dysphoria exists. It's always the whims of adults with drugs 'experimenting' on unsuspecting, innocent children, as if they aren't already messed up in the head. You don't like the current method of treatment? Then. Provide. Concrete. Evidence. Against. It. Id fucking LOVE to live in a world where dysphoria could be treated without transition. It's not a fun experience, you will be discriminated against, there is nothing I wish more than for dysphoric kids to not suffer.

But that alternative treatment doesnt exist. So stay out of the way of the one we have which is proven to work until it does.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T05:15:14+00:00

Right but when I call treating dysphoric kids medical care, I have sources to back me up, and when you call that child grooming (somehow?) and try to prevent access to it, you have... What? A study that says puberty blockers offset the biological changes that come with puberty and some assorted study reviews that say trans people are less happy than cis people? Thats it. Medical denialism is medical denialism, even if you dont want it to be.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T03:44:51+00:00

The FDA regulates hormones supplements as supplements, not prescription drugs. I explained this above.

I call radfems monsters for denying minors access to medical care. Turns out you can really call anyone anything.

Prefer to enjoy stuff than snap pics of it.

Definitely get that, I like pictures to keep for memories though, even if I know they won't turn out well. My silly camera phone tried it's hardest with the last solar eclipse.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T03:08:52+00:00

...okay. Estradiol is technically used for the treatment of cancer, sure. It doesn't change that only one specific type is cytotoxic and it ain't the bioidentical kind. But sure, very dangerous.

I'll keep pushing safe avenues for minors to get treatment, and if medical treatment has been barred from them because some terrible people legislated against it im not going to tell them tough luck have fun suffering bye. And we've already done the whole "is transition effective" game, you made it very clear you just don't believe it is despite not having any credile evidence, so we don't really need to play that game again. Was fun chatting though, maybe make an everything else post and post moon pics if you took any, I wanna see em.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T01:41:23+00:00

Chemo drugs aren't hormones.

And once again, hormones are billed as supplements and are perfectly legal to import. Importing Spiro or cypro is not.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T01:28:52+00:00

If you think teenagers should have unfettered access to this shit you should probably be kept far as away from youth as the morally deficient sellers.

Funny, I feel the same way about people trying to restrict the medical access of those same teenagers.

DDosing isn’t the way to get it removed. Reporting the seller to law enforcement and pharmaceutical regulatory bodies is. Removing the website does not remove the seller from society. Imprisonment is a better solution.

I mean at no point in the process is anything illegal occuring so im not sure what involving law enforcement will accomplish.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T01:10:22+00:00

I mean, okay. I'd really rather the safest option we have stay up, it's not like taking it down will suddenly stop DIY medding, it just drives it to sources we can't trust. And again, ddosing is illegal. You seem to have a big problem with the legality of it all, curious to hear your opinion on that.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T00:58:07+00:00

They're... Not in the country, the hormones are legally imported.

And I mean she's probably the safest available option right now as far as I know. She studied pharmacology and biochemistry, and her only competition is shady russian and chinese websites with unlisted suppliers.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T00:34:47+00:00

Most hormones are billed as supplements, which are legal to import (though not legal to sell from inside the country).

Glad to hear that. My Japan friend had clouds too, world was conspiring against us.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-27T00:11:35+00:00

I'd say generally it's bad to deny people medical access but here we are.

Oh, and just for clarification, not illegal, though ddosing someone's website is.

Hi house, you get to see the eclipse earlier? It was too cloudy where I was.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-26T14:05:38+00:00

I mean... Im not really a part of any so... No? I know a twitter user who sells diy meds who has had her site taken down on more than one occasion and at least one of them was radfems, I guess that counts?

Guess that saves me the trouble of remembering to deal with my own after work though lol

after being tired of being threatened themselves

So it's the victims fault then, got it. Jesus Christ you guys can do no wrong I swear. I threatened no one. Still got doxxed and threatened. Fuck off with that shit.

I'll report it for any good that'll do with 3 biased mods.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-26T13:32:37+00:00

However, any receipts

I love repeating myself. Yes. I am at work. I will be for a while, my shifts are 12 hours long. When I get home I will edit out the doxxed addresses and post them.

And were those threats from GC women, feminists and for reason of you beaing trans?

Once again, I love repeating myself. Yes. I can say confidently some were. Again, a larger portion were alt right kiddos, but yes.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-26T12:40:53+00:00

I was also told that ive never actually recieved death threats, which was a very cool and hip response.

And if you really want receipts and examples, you will have to wait until im not at work, and then wait longer for me to edit my address out of them, but sure.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-26T11:19:34+00:00

Saying a man doesn't pass is not equivalent to rape & death threats. Not even close.

Thank you for telling me what a death threat isn't. Thank you, i had no idea, turns out all those death threats were just people trying to politely tell me I dont pass. /s

I get it, you have the monopoly on oppression, you win.

I also appreciate the three massive paragraphs which basically boil down to "but that isn't us so why should I care."

1)I didn't say it was you. In fact i didn't blame any group at all. I was just joking about your asinine rant about how bad you have it as though trans people... Don't? I guess?

2)it literally IS you. Not in as high a ratio as the literal neo Nazis, but don't worry, radfems have taken themselves a slice of the pie as well. Most of the radfem targeted harassment I've gotten though is doxxing, in fairness to all of you lovely individuals.

Why are trans activists so hyper focused on 'terfs' instead of the Johns & homophobic men who are actually doing the killing?

I mean... They are? You realize they can be upset at both of you at once, and while they ARE out here killing us, radfems certainly aren't innocent considering how aggressively they're trying to legislate out trans people in the uk (and now other pockets of the world too woohoo...)

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-25T10:17:28+00:00

Would you like it if 100s perhaps even 1000s of people tried to get you fired, because you said something in support of trans activism they didn't like? Would you like it if you were sent death & rape threats, if you were assaulted for advocating for trans rights? Really think about this. Who are the bullies here? Who are the oppressors?

would you like it

Man I sure wish i lived in a world where these things didnt actually happen for being trans so I could imagine them happening and feel bad.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-05-05T00:11:57+00:00

Honestly a tough question to answer, especially for me since I was the exact opposite, but anyone who has had dysphoria from a young age has had a VERY warped experience with societal expectations of gender placed on them by society, their parents, their friends, etc. It wasn't my experience because from like 8-12 or 13 I was in hyper-repression mode (which obviously has a whole lot of other baggage but not relevant), but I think it's kind of hard to look at trans or nb people and say something like "well well well you say you don't uphold traditional gender roles but when you were 5 you looked up to your dad when he fixed the truck that one time explain yourself!" without taking into account that children are affected by society and take on a lot of influence from their parents without even realizing it. I don't really think it's reasonable to compare the actions of impressionable children to adults who have changed their own outlook and interaction with gender roles.

In other words I think it's reasonable to say "something like playing with dolls when I was 6 being raised around traditional gender roles is how I can safely say I knew" without that impeding any more current, reasoned view on gender roles and stereotypes being circumnavigated 15-20 years later.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-26T19:31:36+00:00

Look bud, you should probably stop...

Neo genitalia are a surgical facsimile, the difference is one set performs a biological function and the other set is made to look like something else. There's no mystical secret here. Male and female genitalia have more than one purpose, and even if they aren't performing that purpose properly they still have a network of biological functions behind the scenes that surgical approximations don't create.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-18T01:16:30+00:00

Thanks!

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-17T17:12:53+00:00

She dumped her entire Brandon Sanderson collection on me. I'd only read a few beforehand but I'm really into these stormlight books. And they're reallll chunky so I can do the super healthy move where I tell myself I can afford to give up 30 minutes of sleep time and then suddenly it's 2 hours later and I've still barely made a dent.

My husband and I have been looking into tibetan mastiff rescue. Really just any big dog though is my dream. Big dogs are great. My parents had a st Bernard when I was younger, she was a giant fuzzball of lazy love.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-17T15:06:06+00:00

Well, my friend lent me several books so I lost all semblence of a healthy sleep schedule because I think I might have a problem. My husband broke the a.c. window unit thing trying to install it by himself while I was asleep, so now it's hot as hell in the bedroom until our replacement one arrives, further killing my sleep. It's okay I don't think it's very important to have anyways.

Saw a new doctor, trying out lexapro, probably won't open this for a few weeks when I start since I've heard some pretty wild horror stories of people starting it for the first time.

Boring otherwise. Looking into getting a dog. Miss having a dog around....

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-16T00:53:07+00:00

There is a small difference between TWAW (a phrase I'm fairly certain I've never even used) and WPATH being part of a larger big pharma conspiracy and also a "child grooming outfit".

Making spurious, not only unproven but literally unprovable claims is an action which has no place in a debate space. I, again, have told no one what they are and are not allowed to say, but im not going to respond to bad faith arguments in good faith. Don't worry, though, I've made my point, I'm only coming back to the thread to copy/paste the full text of my study if my link isn't working.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-15T23:53:04+00:00

I mean if someone clearly is writing to an audience that clearly isn't me I don't see why I should bother responding. It's so asinine and far-reaching the only legitimate response I can give it is "lol".

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-15T23:42:22+00:00

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2017.1290566?casa_token=bXuUAMoa9hkAAAAA%3Ag1EkP5Gntrpu3M5ieN6ySVaUBlKvbXhwLjxTPvS0CLyZdglgz0W7kBccTf081SeDGUoUAtIsaTew9w Let me know if this link doesn't work, I think I somehow stumbled upon a full access link the other day that no longer functions, I'll just pm you the plaintext of the study if it's broken.

It's one thing to respond to posts you don't like with rude, puerile put downs such as "pointless" and "crap" and whingey throwaway phrases like "dogwhistle rant," "don't waste your time" and "why should I bother."

If you don't like it then don't write three paragraphs of personal opinion that literally reads to me as nothing but you stroking the egos of other radfem posters here.

But why make a vulgar reference to male group masturbation? Do you really think likening the "GC" side - most of whom are women - to a bunch of fellas sitting around with their dicks in their hands wanking & jizzing makes you come off as persuasive?

I mean, I know you know that in context I'm not saying you and the gals are whipping out dicks to what you wrote. And if you somehow dont:

"Circle Jerk" is a pejorative slang term referring to a positive feedback loop which occurs when an idea or belief that is already customary within an online community becomes re-iterated and rewarded in a perpetual cycle

And that it will help convince others that you "pass" as a woman IRL as you tell us you do?

Besides this being arguably against the rules (No personal attacks. This includes insults, inquiring into a person's appearance or passability...), why do I care if a group of women on the internet think I don't pass because I use an internet word on the internet?

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/031_expert_affidavit_of_dr._stephen_levine_with_exhibit.pdf

This Levine guy really likes to quote himself. Again I don't know what you want out of me here, I too have qualms with WPATH SOC. They aren't yours, but they are there.

BTW, I never mentioned the word "evil." Only you did. Twice

True, I used my magic power of 'inference'. You didn't use evil, but you did use:

-Big pharma (a conspiracy surrounding an evil corporatist plot)

-SUBJECTING children and adolescents to DAMAGING medical intervention

-slew of odious policies

-irresponsible, injurious practice

I don't see it as that much of a stretch, to be honest, Mark.

I take issue with the fact that you're preaching the clinical treatment of people with a medical disorder as a harmful practice. It's done so without proof, I've had people on this site go so far as to tell me they have no proof at all. Your "come to terms with their bodies and develop healthy self-concepts and self-esteem." is thinly veiled conversion therapy advocation unless you can provide concrete evidence loving oneself more is an effective cure for GD.

In conclusion, Mark, I don't believe it's a post you wrote to me, I believe it's a post you wrote to your GC audience. Considering to even get through the first couple of sentences I have to go off the assumption that gender dysphoria doesn't exist, an assumption which I will not make, I think that's a fairly safe guess.

Again, "WPATH is biased I don't trust your source" would have sufficed.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-15T17:57:48+00:00

Thank you for telling me you hate wpath. I don't like them either. Do you actually have a problem with any of the methodology in what I linked or is it safe to assume you don't want to bother reading it?

And just so we're clear, a multiparagraph dogwhistle-rant about how evil some organization is for promoting transgenderism (which I think is safe to assume you also believe is evil) is irrelevant. Don't waste your time posting pointless gc circlejerk crap, unless that's the reason you're here in the first place in which case why should I bother responding to you. "WPATH is biased so I don't trust your source" would have saved you a shitload of time.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-15T16:43:25+00:00

One of the links is just a rephrasing of thr abstract, and the other two are exactly the same.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2017.1290566

Here's a study of 86 patients on low cypro doses with comparable female t levels. I think that link has full access but if it doesn't let me know and I'll find it when I have access to my computer.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-15T01:34:12+00:00

8 times out of 10 my solution is "tell your doctor 'this'". I only recommend self medding in cases where people don't have access to medical treatment, and in those cases I want to make sure they're as safe as possible while doing so, helping them find clinics for blood tests, etc

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-14T23:08:31+00:00

Thank you for your 2 cents. When doctors do more than a 5 second Google search of trans care to come up with their absolutely garbage ideas for treatment I'll stop being so irresponsible.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-14T22:12:50+00:00

Some crazy links, Mark. I know you didn't do more than glance at them, though, because they're literally all the exact same study. A study of 98 participants, all of which are from the exact same clinic and so without a doubt all have the exact same doctor. Which I conveniently can't critique the data of because the single study you gave me (3 times in a row) has no full text available nor do they list any useful numbers in their abstract. And as i've stated, with regards to sports, I don't disagree. My issue is with junk science claims made in a topic it's clear they know nothing about. I really wonder if you actually read the things you link beyond a cursory peek.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-11T09:16:53+00:00

A counter culture trend sounds like a pretty apt description tbh, gonna steal that.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-11T05:24:11+00:00

Hmmm.

I think it might be easier to understand if you seperate them by those who want to be visibly trans and those who want to blend in. Besides trenders being upset with transmed folks over gatekeeping or medicalisation of dysphoria, there are a lot upset with the idea that medicalist trans people have foremost the goal of blending in (since doing so would be a massive relief of dysphoria). For the visible group, they don't see dysphoria as something to treat and make better, it's more like they see transness as a whole an extension of queer culture, something to display proudly and openly. No hormones? Brave and valid. Hormones with no dysphoria? Brave and valid. They're the most vocally active group against self-medding by far, mostly because I don't think they have a real understanding of dysphoria and the medical system is general. You could probably get away with calling them GNC people who have co-opted (and then expanded) trans identity for themselves and be right most of the time.

Really just seperating them as two different groups and treating them as such is healthier and easier than keeping them under the same umbrella, considering how wildly different they are.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-11T05:06:40+00:00

Buzzword salad. I won't disparage people who make up terms like these that theyre confident describe themselves but good lord it's hard to follow the logic.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-10T13:16:51+00:00

usually targeting a specific victim

I mean it's right there.

Edit as a side note, not really sure how to be both NB and a lesbian, so congrats to them...

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-08T15:48:18+00:00

I don't know if cute is the word I'd use, but again, off topic and irrelevant.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-08T14:07:42+00:00

I never went on truelesbians for what I assume are obvious reasons, but glancing at an archive of it, it's literally just another r/gc. Every post in the archive is just 'trans bad' or 'im losing my friends cause I don't like trans people'.

Porn subs are even allowed to exclude transwomen from women for their allowed content.

Guess we have all the proof we need that reddit is anti trans, ladies and gentlemen, we got em. 😎

I'm not gonna deny that large corporations are anti women, because they objectively are, but there's a difference between being banned for just being women and being banned for being an easy to target hate group. r/gc and it's adjacent subs were banned, that included spaces that don't literally put in the title "we hate trans people".

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing this it wasn't even a hill I care about it was just a throwaway line pointing out how obscure this sub is and how stupid it would be to run out the 4 or 5 trans people here because someone is too upset at trans people existing to say 'they'.

Edit: also it's super off-topic and I won't ever change anyone's mind so I'm not gonna continue this here...

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-08T03:50:42+00:00

your answer to me saying this shows QT doesn't want to debate is basically "but, you're a hate group!"?

Nope, not what I said. You're right though, it is off topic, maybe we can make an actual thread later

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-08T01:39:26+00:00

You... Realize you guys aren't the only group attacking a minority group to be removed from these spaces, right? Like I get you think it's different because in your eyes you're morally above-ground but from the outside everyone sees you as another hate group.

I've seen countless gc people on Twitter block trans people who post hard medical data supporting transition, call out bad faith posts, etc. You personal anecdote of seeing the transes saying "shut up" is an anecdote, as in irrelevant.

I'm sure you can give me countless screenshots of trans people sending rape and death threats. I can send countless screenshots of radfems encouraging suicide in sms. Neither is indicative of the group as a whole.

Reddit also banned a lot of alt right subs and other hate groups. The fact that hate groups aren't advertiser friendly but porn is sucks but that's life you know. I'm all for the destruction of capitalism, hit me up.

Oh noooo people are being fired for being vocal about their hatred the humanity. Trans people get fired for being trans. If I got found out at my work id be fired on the spot, so yeah, sorry, really hard to care.

Does jkr sound reasonable? I've never seen anyone say don't read her stuff, again that's not my crowd so take it with a grain of salt but it's transparently using the exact same gc rhetoric we've been conditioned to spot from a mile away, it's nothing special.

I mean your issue is that the world disapproves of your "wrongthink" but I'm sure you're perfectly happy with the censoring of other's wrong thinking. I literally can't help you with that, and the conversation is irrelevant and extremely off topic and your opinions won't ever change so I'm ending the conversation. You're more than welcome to respond again, but I'm not going to keep it going.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-08T00:10:09+00:00

I do agree most regular users of this sub are GC, but that is because many QT supporters are NOT interested in having a debate.

I'm glad you've rationalized it that way, it couldn't possibly be anything else, your conclusion is definitely the right one.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T16:21:30+00:00

It makes 12 hour nights feel way shorter lol!

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T16:00:40+00:00

Yeah I think you hit it on the head otherwise.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T15:52:58+00:00

That being said, I genuinely think most of gc gets this and would use neutral pronouns despite the rule.

That doesn't matter when all it takes is one or two prolific posters to make them decide it's not worth it.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T15:48:03+00:00

Agreed with this but I'm more than comfortable not using terms which make gc uncomfortable if they can put forth the modicum of effort it takes to do the same.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T15:43:04+00:00

So, I find it curious you're complaining this sub of being mostly a echo chamber.

Is it not? I mean, by raw metrics the gc to qt poster ratio is at least 6 to 1, and even gc posters are posting in this thread saying these new rules skew it GC.

Transactivists also strongly discourage its follower to read what the others sides have to say. "No debate" is literally one of its slogans.

Are you joking? I've never known a trans person who doesn't read bad gc takes for fun. I don't really know trender types, so maybe you and I are thinking of very different groups, but that's what it is I guess.

We're here because most plataforms on internet don't allow any wrong think, particularly as transgender issues are concerned

Then be more advertiser friendly? Idk that's all big platforms care about so if they see you as a hate group I really don't know how to help you with that. At least on reddit plenty of spaces still exist to hate on trans people in a less mask-off fashion.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T13:16:15+00:00

man does not change meaning in any context.

Clearly man as in mankind is not what anyone is talking about

I don't even need to talk about trans people you proved yourself wrong for me in the very next post. Wow!

Why bring up the website having alt right shit if you weren’t trying to slip in some comparison as a jab?

I really don't want to have to explain it, House, but if I'm making a comparison as a jab do you really think that jab is "haha ur alt right" and not "this is the only space that will take you"?

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T12:52:13+00:00

alt-right website

We aren’t alt right

Reading comprehension. Its important.

you’ve made two saidit accounts just to say so?

I never set an email on my main account (on account of not wanting to give my email to an alt right website) and couldn't access it on my phone. Not really sure this is the gotcha you think it is though, house, considering it literally benefits saidit zero whether I have one account or two.

Male/man does not change meaning in any context.

Just... Wrong.... Like i can't even argue it it's just so stupidly wrong i dont even know where to begin. 5th grade, maybe.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T12:11:52+00:00

And again language is not a static thing. Context is important, House. It doesn't really matter though, if a mostly echo-chamber space on an off brand alt-right website becomes a full on echo chamber, more power to you, you guys need more of them.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T10:44:01+00:00

You have literally just set down multiple rules as to what language is 'free' to be used here. It's right above. Are the rules optional?

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-07T10:41:42+00:00

It's clear you're using them negatively though. You know for a fact sexless pronouns work fine, you just don't want to use them out of... Spite? No term has negative connotations. Language is applied and not static. Obviously you care particularly strongly about this though house, since, insofar as I can tell, the removal of that rule protects literally just you.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-06T11:11:39+00:00

Honestly if I had the opportunity id just do what I do for anyone who asks me for help on Twitter, help with medical treatment. Whether thats figuring out the easiest way to get on medication where you are, finding places that will do blood tests, discussing blood hormone levels and where to be aiming, etc.

I guess in a more local sense I could also provide information for good therapists, assistance navigating the legal world, maybe help set up classes, clothes swaps, meetings, anything being physically available entails really.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-06T10:35:30+00:00

My question as well. Very vaguely worded but it seems like yes.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-03T18:45:27+00:00

I’ve been “cispassing” for about 20 years I guess and it’s been good for me.

Sorry, off topic but that's really cool! I started self medding 9 years ago and passing 8, I can't even imagine the hoops you'd jump through pre 2000 to get started.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-03T18:38:00+00:00

I wonder if they are wanting to hold onto something from before transitioning, or they're trying to be transparent or honest about their biological sex.

From my admittedly scarce interaction with these kinds of people online, neither. It's got a lot to do with being visibly trans. I couldn't explain the thought process behind it if I tried, so take that as you will, but that's what's been point blank told to me on Twitter. I've also been told I'm transphobic for passing by the same people so I guess I'm one of the cool kids here 😎

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T20:27:08+00:00

God, Sloane it's like I say one thing and you go to Twitter, read something someone else wrote, and the complain to me about it as if I wrote it. Again, I personally am blaming 0 women for the assaults a man would commit. I am telling THE OTHER POSTER (though you're included seeing as you're just as willing to make up shit to justify why actually it's SAFER for me in the men's room or some shit) that claiming it is perfectly safe for me to consistently use men's restrooms to make their argument stronger is mental gymnastics.

I respect plenty of women. Just not most of the ones here. :)

I'm home from work, going to sleep, and it's my weekend so I won't have any reason to look here for a couple days. Lemme do the nicest thing I've ever done Sloane and tell you not to write a lengthy response after somehow interpreting that I get off on the destruction of women's rights because it will not be read. I can't stop you, but you've been warned. Love you, bud. Gnight

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T20:19:10+00:00

I also wonder how much "change" is something which has always been the same, and rather than different the change is just something new you've learned about yourselves. I grew up in a homophobic family, and never thought I'd like guys. Does the fact that I'm married to one now and find women completely unattractive mean I've changed, or I've simply grown to learn something about myself?

Obviously some things change. My politics were informed by my far-right parents until I moved away from them. I highly doubt I was destined to be a filthy lib, I just had a change of perspective.

I don't think it'd be possible to apply these characteristics to an entire group of people, they're probably much more on an individual basis.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T19:59:18+00:00

Inherent guilt, acquired from denying that violence against trans people doesn't exist when it clearly does. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just telling you to quit with the mental gymnastics to absolve yourselves. Just say you're more comfortable with TW being attacked than "invading" a safer space.

And an edit, like circling said, if a single sex space exists, I'm using it first.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T19:51:23+00:00

I am fully aware there are homophobic men who will go after men who aren't masculine enough for their own tastes

P.S. Don't come at me with men who claim to be women aren't safe in men's restrooms, & locker rooms. The vast majority of men would just give them a double take and ignore them. Men are perfectly safe using the men's room no matter how they may personally identify.

Sure seems like you aren't, bud.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T19:45:27+00:00

Sure, cool, still not going to put myself at risk to protect the feelings of a fringe group who wouldn't offer the time of day to me.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T19:43:26+00:00

I mean sure, it's not like the mod logs are public and the only posters recieving bans are qt ones, when gc posters consistently and proudly break rules.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T18:26:39+00:00

Language such as "delusional" or "mutilated" is against the spirit of the sub and is not permitted,

Not that it matters as the rules are clearly "rules for thee but not for me".

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T18:05:26+00:00

It's what ive come to expect at this point.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T17:40:35+00:00

Seconding this. Got attacked back when I was younger and didn't think i passed enough to use the womens room. Like shit, I get yal think trans people are some immortal cabal or something but if men harrass women, and TW look like women to them, what, do you think we're gonna say, "oh no fellow male I am actually of the xy masterrace no need to harass me today, carry on". I mean besides the fact that letting those kinds of people know you're trans is how you end up dead, the hell do you want me to do? Lying to yourselves to absolve any guilt ain't it chief.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T13:32:15+00:00

So why is it there then? Why even bother pretending you're going to promote any pretense of a level ground for qt posters (of which there are like 5)?

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T10:39:59+00:00

So when you say this, do you mean to say that refusing to use preferred pronouns is fine, and neutral language should be used in that case? Or are you saying that literally nothing is "misgendering", because at that point, pardon my French, why the fuck have a rule about it if you don't actually have a rule about it?

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T07:59:48+00:00

I mean I dont see the problem. If certain unnamed users can get away with breaking rules because they "don't believe in them", then I don't really think it's an issue. Kinda terrible acronym though, really doesn't roll off the tongue.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T05:26:49+00:00

House you are a delight every time, i want you to know.

I don't have anything snappy to say though, you're actively and conciously misinterpereting rules to tell yourself you're not breaking them, but whatever you need to do to sleep at night.

Cute edit dont change that im right tho :)

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T05:18:03+00:00

House I know you know what misgendering is. I don't believe cis is misgendering for you, so I suppose that makes it fine to use. I guess you might be right, we haven't broken any rules. Fuck me, House, you actually might secretly be a genius.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T05:08:41+00:00

House I don't need to be devastatingly clever, my 5 year old nephew has better reading comprehension skills than you.

The rules about language usage will not be changed. Use of TERF, MTT, FTT, TIF, TIM, and the t-slur and misgendering of other users is not permitted.

and misgendering of other users is not permitted.

not

permitted

I can't make it clearer for you. I couldn't if I tried.

What I mean to say is that it's wholly irrelevant, I just keep responding in disbelief at how brazenly ignorant you are. I can't help myself, it's like slowing down on the road to see an accident.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T04:58:42+00:00

House there's nothing opinionated here. It's in the rules. I know you have trouble reading but come on, you have to put in a tiny modicum of effort sometimes.

The rules about language usage will not be changed. Use of TERF, MTT, FTT, TIF, TIM, and the t-slur and misgendering of other users is not permitted.

But again, we've both broken them and had the reports ignored so we can safely put the matter to bed because they don't matter. :)

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T04:51:01+00:00

Yeah, I know, I read it, just felt like paraphrasing your words to something more coherent, cutting out all the buzzwords and dramatics and what not. :)

You break the rules because you don't care about them and know you can.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T04:28:34+00:00

Because you don't care about the rules because you know they aren't enforced and your audience doesn't care*.

It's literally right there in the rules, and you openly admit to breaking them, and will not be punished. But hey at least I can break them too and not be banned so small victories I guess.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T04:24:12+00:00

I mean rules clearly arent followed so im not going to bother being nice to people who hate me for existing.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-04-01T03:40:30+00:00

it seems to make more sense to reduce the use of medication in children and adolescents until such changes are implemented.

As long as we can make a distinction between reduce and eliminate altogether then i 100% agree. Glanced at the link and it seems like a good read, I'll try to work through it tonight at work, thanks!

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-31T18:09:54+00:00

It's the trolley problem and we both have different views on which side we should save. Given that every major rate of desistance study is riddled with issues which corrupt the data, and that we have settled on non permanent puberty blockers as the common adolescent treatment, I feel like the best answer is to a) gatekeep harder early and make a clear psychological distinction between gender incongruence and dysphoria, b) put more money into sussing out dysphoria in youth more accurately, and c) PROPERLY study desistence so we can find signs of it early and never put them on blockers or hormones in the first place.

It's not a perfect answer because one doesn't exist, but it's miles better than just saying well we have indeterminable numbers on desistence so sorry trans kids just wait til you're older and suffer that much more. It's also lofty and won't ever happen but idk perfect worlds and whatnot.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-31T05:26:04+00:00

Yeah that was a few days ago, had a small party, sometimes things are good.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-31T04:59:24+00:00

Why would we want any other child to have to live like this, to be trans?

I don't, so if we find a way to cure dysphoria without transitions, great. But we haven't, so maybe apply that same empathy in reverse for trans kids you want to gatekeep from, again, rigorously proven medical treatment.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-25T05:27:43+00:00

I used to think I wanted a big library, my parents turned a lot of the house space we had into book space, and I loved it, but now that I'm here? It just feels like hoarding... I ended up donating a lot of the books I had lying around without sentimental value, and there are still way too many of them. Maybe like 1 in 20 I'll go back to some day, but that means 19 more are just collecting dust and doing nothing. Idk, there's too much new stuff to read to try and relive the old stuff, and all the new stuff i can get on my phone or tablet so it's not cluttering anything.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-25T00:32:06+00:00

You are ignoring that it is wrong treatment for transmen, and you are only focusing on transwomen but saying it is for everyone

Literally not doing that, literature shows transition is just as effective for transmen as it is for TW, but sure

Plus you are fine with promoting suicide ideas among them and raising suicide figures

And again, literally no. Stop making shit up about a fake monster you've made up inside your head, I'm right fucking here. The only people I talk about suicide with are the people actively trying to raise the rates (that's you guys, objectively, SINCE AGAIN LITERALLY NO ONE CAN PROVE THE CURRENT TREATMENT FOR GD IS INNEFECTIVE)

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T18:16:14+00:00

I don't understand why you are so unempathetic towards transgender kids

I'm not, which is why I advocate for proven medical treatment and against legislation which prevents access to said treatment. You sure seem to be though.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T16:33:53+00:00

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T16:27:58+00:00

1000000001

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T16:17:56+00:00

And for the billionth time, sloane gives me a mile long diatribe about how im sooooo dumb rather than responding to anything i've said. Cue shock.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T11:57:51+00:00

These are the hot takes I live for. "Don't talk us about how our making it harder/impossible to access medical care will increase suicide rates because talking about it will increase the suicide rate"

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T08:56:43+00:00

And you can prove this, im sure.

Edit - One day later and im still waiting.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T08:00:43+00:00

Which is hilarious considering you've added nothing to the discussion. Seriously your response to bullying being directly linked to an increased rate in suicide was "well they don't all commit suicide so". We can link societal actions to an increase in suicidality. The perpetrator of these actions is then at the very least indirectly responsible for those actions. Actions which, again, cause an increase in suicide. I cannot make it any simpler for you, Sloane. If I legislate out the ability for depressed people to get therapy, and the suicide rate increases in response, by your logic I have 0 responsibility for it, despite having directly increased the rate of suicides through my action. Obviously not every depressed person will kill themselves in this scenario, that doesn't make it any less my fault that the ones who have did so.

And once again

And nobody is responsible for suicide other than the person committing it.

For posterity's sake, your quote

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T04:34:36+00:00

I only blocked you and a dung bit, and I unblocked you because i am trying my hardest to learn from the greatest sparring partner I've ever had the honour of interacting with. :)

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T04:16:12+00:00

I only started after you did, I figure if the rules don't matter to you there's no need for me to try and kotow to you. Goodbye, have a good night, sorry for not letting you have the last word since that's apparently very important to you.

Oh also you're*

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T04:06:42+00:00

Im very hungry, actually. How did you guess? Im sorry for being so carbophobic. ;(

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T04:04:32+00:00

Well yeah, why am I going to adhere to rules that the overwhelming majority ignore? My existence is harassment according to radfem ideology so I broke the rule the second i transitioned. And you're breaking all the others with me, so we can both enjoy together as n o t h i n g h a p p e n s. Or the biased mods will ignore just your blatant rulebreaking, we'll see, im excited to find out!

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T03:54:16+00:00

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/center-transgender-health/services-appointments/surgical-services.html

Wow is that a 5 second Google search proving you wrong?

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T03:53:19+00:00

Its not worth responding to 7 different posts when you're all just circlejerking eachother over the same shit. No one "literally hates women", but that's the random state that's been applied to me without proof so honestly it feels like i can say whatever I want and not be wrong here. I mean, thats all any of you are doing. The rules clearly arent followed, this is a lawless wasteland.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T03:41:30+00:00

The suicidality tied to mentally unhealthy children being unable to access, again, medically proven healthcare is 100% relavent, I never STOPPED talking about it you moldy loaf of bread.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T03:21:40+00:00

Ain't no medical papers saying your weird faith healing idea of just loving your kids enough will make the trans go away. To quote my favourite cis person, die mad.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T03:17:07+00:00

I want radfems to stop trying to legislate out proven medical treatments. Im not writing 80 responses, you arent worth it.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-24T02:59:19+00:00

I couldn't make up how ironic "I hate women and I want to stop them doing anything I dislike" is when you literally hate trans people and want to stop them doing things you dont like.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-23T19:15:01+00:00

I just did, good night.

Greensquidsphone · 2021-03-23T19:11:43+00:00

Not everyone is going to commit suicide because not everyone has the same extenuating circumstances in their lives you unwashed sack of potatoes.

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