I'm going to give everyone an opportunity to chew this over one more time.

But here's what it looks like to me at this point.

First, something i forgot to mention last time, and that's at the very beginning of the current rules:

---> This is a not safe space.

That's wrong. And as a liberal i'm very proud of the concept of a "safe space", and i hate to see the term misused. A safe space is a space where everyone is encouraged to speak their mind, minus a few caveats, such as personal abuse. It's a place where no one can forbid you to say something on the grounds that it might be upsetting or against some canonical position. Unfortunately, some people have tried to reverse that and use it to mean a place where everyone is allowed to forbid things. Well, i am holding firm on the meaning.

So, henceforth the rules will say:

---> This is a safe space.

Now having said that, what are those aforementioned caveats? I'm trying to distill a consensus from the previous discussions.

Obviously, no personal abuse.

The "no hitlering" rule is pretty popular. I would expand that to say "no inflammatory comparisons". So you aren't allowed to hitler someone, and you mayn't mao, mussolini, pol pot, jim jones, etc them either. Likewise, no accusations that someone's position automatically leads to bad outcomes, like suicide or genocide, without supporting data.

No accusations of bigotry without proof. Disagreement is not bigotry.

No dismissing someone's argument based on their demographic. For that matter, no one is required to reveal their demographic. An argument's validity should not be affected by who's making it.

If you think someone has a mental condition, say why.

It is permitted to say that sex changes are damaging, but don't use the term "mutilation".

Then there's the question of terminology and pronouns. I say, first, we must have language that people are willing to use, on the other hand, let's not be unnecessarily offensive. Which is not the same as not being offensive at all, it's going to happen.

So: there are a few terms that will be banned. Those include "tim" and "tif", albeit i think they are just fine. However it is permitted to write out "trans identified male" and "trans identified female". No saying "tranny", of course, albeit that's one that transsexuals used to use themselves, with pride. No saying "mtt" of "ftt". No saying "cis", "terf" any related terms, but "gc" or "gender critical" are fine. Likewise the various terms used on the qt side are ok. I don't like "amab" and "afab" but we should allow it.

As for pronouns and declarations of sex, everyone is free to request their preferences, but everyone is also free to decline.

No trolling. What's trolling? It's when the mods tell you to stop posting new screeds and engage with the comments on your previous ones.