A simple system for a new ethnostate. (Disregard if you don't like ethnostate detail discussions.)

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[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There wasn't any common European Identity before Christianity. The white identity is very late, and nor the Greeks nor the Romans used to see themselves as particularly related to Germans. The first kind of explicit racism in Europa was the Spanish idea of limpieza de sangre, purity of blood, which was directly connected to the idea of Christianity (those who were not pure in fact were the moriscos, half blacks, because they was regarded as secret Muslims, and the marranos, half Jews, who were regarded as secret Jews). ~1400.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There wasn't any common European Identity before Christianity.

This is correct, but it is a different claim from saying that European identity is based on Christianity. For many centuries in many different areas of Europe, Christianity set Europeans against other Europeans. The fact that eventually a fairly short lived, united Christendom existed which only coincidentally covered the region of Europe should not be mistaken as the source of a genuine, intrinsically European unity.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

source of a genuine, intrinsically European unity.

Yeah but that's a different topic, I was speaking about the identiy.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I could have been clearer. I think my statement applies to identity, too. There is nothing intrinsically European about the identity of Christendom - not during the Christian-pagan conflicts, the Catholic-Protestant ones, or today when Christianity has become a chiefly non-European phenomenon.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is the historical fact that the European Identity was built upon the premises of the Christianity.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can agree with that, that is an acceptable statement.