So, who won the debate between Le Pen and Macron?

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I actually think Le Pen losing would be better because she would be a powerless president anyway. The change France -- and the rest of Europe -- needs won't come from some national populist being elected. It will come from a literal insurgency, especially from within the military. The liberal elites in France are actually at risk of being overthrown by a military coup. Nowhere else in the West is the risk of such a coup -- and the support among the population -- as high as in France. The country is a ticking time bomb.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My view: A Le Pen victory would upset all of the right people, and a Macron victory would please all of the wrong people, who are going to be waffling on Twitter for weeks on end about how 'fascism' was defeated. But other than regarding who it pleases and upsets, I agree that a Le Pen Presidency cannot be much better than Trump.

Mostly, I think, because Le Pen isn't anywhere near as extreme as she has been portrayed, and we know this because even her own family have sort of 'politically disowned' her in favour of the more principled, less wishy-washy campaign of Zemmour. At least Zemmour has, on occasion, acknowledged the existence of a White/European race, even if his conception of Frenchness isn't quite as ethnic as I would like. Indeed, since his campaign did not harm Le Pen, he has gone somewhat up in my esteem. I always thought he was genuine because he has been in this for too long and suffered too much to simply be a grifter or something, and yet I also felt wary that he was being played by people more powerful than himself, because he was allowed to say so many things in his campaign that others would be in deep shit for saying publicly, to the point that he had seemed too good to be true.

I share wholeheartedly your hopes that the military will rid La Republique of Le Maricón and his friends.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A Le Pen victory would upset all of the right people, and a Macron victory would please all of the wrong people, who are going to be waffling on Twitter for weeks on end about how 'fascism' was defeated.

So "owning the libs" is all that would benefit us? How is that in any way a serious position?

I mean, you have even said that Le Pen effectively denied the existence of a European people in that debate!

Read the context of that statement.

I always thought he was genuine because he has been in this for too long and suffered too much to simply be a grifter or something

I agree.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So "owning the libs" is all that would benefit us? How is that in any way a serious position?

The way I see it, every time something like this happens, a few more of those people will suicide, become drug addicted, become clinically mentally ill and so forth. Therefore, there are simply less of them.

By contrast, when they win, these same things will happen, but only to people more aligned with us instead.

Of course I want the negativity to be in their camp, especially since the only alternative is that it ends up in our general camp. Someone will always be unhappy; better them than us.

Obviously, if what you summarize as 'owning the libs' was read as hinting at some kind of perceived solution, that was not the intent.