Richard Spencer embraces the side of NATO

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[–]NeoRail 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I can't remember ever seeing Spencer do anything besides take a contrarian position on any issue. Now he seems to be claiming that conflict with Russia will transform woke leftists into warlike, identitarian Nietzschean Overmen? Does he really believe that? Frankly, I think Spencer is an intellectual narcissist who would much rather hold unique opinions than correct ones.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

His critique of Putin as being petty nationalist essentially is ignoring the west's policy of uniquely pursuing negation and the interests of the Culture-Distorter (jews).

There is no positive vision of the west. The Ukraine nonsense was an entirely negative policy, the ME debacles have all resulted in the west losing power and legitimacy due to their nature being in the service of non-western interests. Nothing the west has done since WW2 has had any positive character, Hitler was the last actual representative of the west.

In a way that a nation can exist without a state, the west is an organism without a state; it does not even exist as a sovereign entity with a will of its own, all of its institutions are simply used as instruments for the jews. We can take this stuff dicky spenz is talking about seriously when 'the west' regains its sovereignty by replacing this ruling class with a western elite that does have the idea of the west subconsciously and consciously within them.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Hitler was the last actual representative of the west.

Hitler never saw Germany as a Western power.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The fact that literally every revolutionary nationalist leader became or was about pan-Europeanism at some point from the mid 30s onwards proves NS was the unifying idea of Europe. The Germans were not trying to meddle and be internationalist like Trotskyists or the CIA today sure, but does anyone believe if the Axis won Europe wouldn't have drastically changed? Nationalism and Liberalism couldn't have existed side by side, eventually everyone would have overthrown slavery to finance jewry, then sought European cooperation.

Even if Hitler only talked about Germany (he didn't), all Europeans who were politically aware instinctively recognised they belonged to the Waffen-SS and not their national armies. They understood the world war as one for the West/Europe to bring about a new organisation of Europe on fascist principles, as well as the existential aspect against its destruction.

If Hitler was just about petty nationalist German supremacy and not about the liberation and reorganisation of Europe then the Waffen-SS wouldn't have been an attractive force for the whole of Europe.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They understood the world war as one for the West/Europe

That's the thing though. He saw Europe as separate from the West, which it is. The West was basically another term for (((Anglosphere))) plutocracy.

If Hitler was just about petty nationalist German supremacy and not about the liberation and reorganisation of Europe then the Waffen-SS wouldn't have been an attractive force for the whole of Europe.

I never claimed that he was just a petty nationalist.

Anyway, I don't disagree with your broader point here.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Can you expand on this? I have never heard anyone make this argument before.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Really? I thought this was well-known. The Nazis saw Germany as a unique country that was neither part of the liberal West nor part of the communist East. In the German lexicon this is part of the phenomenon called the Sonderweg.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not a part of the liberal West, yes, but they did consider themselves a part of "Western civilisation", didn't they? I don't know if they used that term specifically, but they had a lot of propaganda based around European unity and culture, a Western "crusade" against Bolshevism etc.

This is an interesting topic, though, because certain German nationalists emphasised the opposite connection, like Niekisch who identified a brotherhood between Germany and Russia as nations of the "eternal barbarian". Left wing National Socialists also had some heterodox views - the Strassers were anti-colonial and sided with India against Britain, for example.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not part of the west? Then explain all the columns and Greek statues.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Russia has that too though. Are they part of the West as well?

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think most of the stuff he says is worth taking seriously regardless of the circumstances, but certainly the Nietzschean, "imperial" stuff would be far more applicable to statesmen who are actually serious rather than hysterical woke pseudo-anarchists.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He literally thinks that the EU is going to turn into a pro-white organization and that Macron is a jupiterian badass.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just you wait. Donald Tusk is expected to declare himself Fuhrer any day now.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then he'll enact mandatory interracial marriage laws. Based jupiterian.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah its delusional, all liberals in power who have an imperialistic urge have it in a purely nihilistic way. They simply want to enact financial domination to destroy everything pro-social and transcendent to created defeated consumerist cattle like they have done already. They are completely judaised, IE they're bolshevist (not marxist/communist tho)

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have to agree.