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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Wow I just read something sensible on The Hill. Time to buy a lottery ticket.

[–]Lugger 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Agree with the message of the article, but not for the reasons mentioned.

The Russian-Ukrainian war is a local squabble and none of the West's business.

I sympathize with the Ukrainians holding out against the imperialist Russian aggressors, but not in a million years should the Western (or more specifically American) soldiers be sent to fight to help save some Slavs from other Slavs in a country they wouldn't be able to find on a map.

Not a single dead U.S. soldier or even an expensive missile fired is worth whatever these Slavs are trying to settle between themselves.

Moscow’s interests in Ukraine are effectively existential. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia’s leaders came to believe that the eastward expansion of NATO posed a serious security threat to the Russian state.

And so, when it seemed as if that warning would not be heeded and Ukraine might enter into an Association Agreement with the EU, Russia struck out, first invading Crimea in 2014 then intervening in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

Moscow’s goal both times was nothing more or less than preventing Ukraine from falling further into the Western orbit or, failing that, to carve out a buffer zone along Russia’s western frontier.

Ukraine is a sovereign state and has (or at least should have) freedom to do as it sees fit.

Ukrainian people, just like Russian people, are both Eastern Slavs as well.

And what did Russia do to their fellow Slavs when they took a political turn the Russians didn't like?

They simply invaded their country and grabbed a portion of their land.

How very noble of the Russians.

As the author notes anyway, a full-blown war between the West and them is impossible just because these guys have nuclear missiles.

So incorporating Ukraine into NATO would pose little security threat to Russia because any attempt to invade it would result in nuclear holocaust.

And this is a risk no Western country would ever take.

That leaves the military costs.

The Russian military is a well-equipped, experienced combat force with a proven ability to fight conventional and hybrid wars. No one doubts that, at a minimum, it could inflict substantial casualties on the U.S military should it enter the conflict. It might even emerge victorious.

The only thing that 'no one doubts' is that the idiot who wrote this piece of horseshit has no clue of the combat capabilities of Russian and American militaries.

The U.S. military is the most effective fighting force in the world.

Its level of personnel training, technology, leadership and experience in fighting both conventional and counter-insurgency wars is unmatched by any other power out there.

The Americans are simply on an entirely different level compared to the rest of the world as far as military is concerned.

Russians, on the other hand, field shitty poorly-trained conscripts, drunk incompetent officers and much of their miltiary hardware is comprised of Soviet-era rusty shit like T-72 tanks and Mi-24 helicopters.

Think I'm exaggerating and underestimating the Russians?

Take a look at their military perfomance in the 2014 Russian-Ukrainian war, the very one this article is discussing.

The Russians suffered extremely heavy casualties, lost hundreds of troops and dozens of tanks in a span of a few days, and were forced to retreat with a tail between their legs, failing to achieve their goal of driving off the Ukrainian troops from the Eastern regions of the country.

Keep in mind that the Ukrainian army they were fighting was easily one of the weakest and poorly-funded militaries in Europe, and the Russians still took such heavy blows from them.

As I have noted above, a conventional war with Russia is impossible, but if it somehow, hypothetically, happened, the U.S. military would trounce them like worms.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

They simply invaded their country and grabbed a portion of their land.

Crimea is historically Russian, full of ethnic Russians and they voted overwhelmingly to join Mother Russia after an illegal and bloody putsch sponsored by Jews, the EU and the US overthrew the democratically elected President of the Ukraine.

Love listening to people allegedly on the Dissident Right repeating MSNBC's view of the conflict. So funny.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

This guy isn't one of us, it's a libtard. He posts about evil bloodthirsty nazis and other dumbass tvbrain shit.

[–]Lugger 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

He posts about evil bloodthirsty nazis

Exactly, mate.

Because they fuggin' were.

And that's putting it lightly.

How else would you call people who start bloody unwinnable wars for the sake of Germany's domination over Europe that get dozens of millions of Europeans — many (most?) of them young men — slaughtered and Europe burned to the ground?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The problem isn't your judgment, you understood the jewish comic books perfectly. The problem is that you think they are real.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

SIR YES SIR, WE WOULD ALL BE SPEAKING GERMAN NOW!! YAHWEH BLESS AND MAGA!!!

[–]Lugger 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Tell me, pal, do you really think a country has a right to annex a land just because their ancestors took a dump there?

Do u believe it would be right for Germany to annex Elsass-Lothringen?

Or for Mexico to annex Texas?

Even if at some point in history the Crimea belonged to Russia, it no longer did after the communist regime had fallen.

The Russians recognized Ukraine's borders and had never prior to 2014 made any claims to the Crimea.

They just rolled in and annexed the land when they saw an opportunity.

sponsored by Jews

Please.

democratically elected President of the Ukraine.

lmao I can't believe it, an alt-righter emphathizes how 'democratically elected' the Ukrainian President was.

Don't you believe that the current equally 'democratically elected' governments across the West are acting against whites' interests and, since the electoral solution is impossible, it would be a good thing if Europeans overthrew them and established pro-white/nationalist regimes?

So what problem do you have with the Ukrainian putsch?

I don't remember for sure what beef did they have with their President (apart from him being Putin's puppet) and, frankly, I don't give a damn, but anyway, they deserve a praise for being such Chads as to rise up against what they considered an unworthy ruler.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Or for Mexico to annex Texas?

Houston is majority Hispanic now. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Tell me, pal, do you really think a country has a right to annex a land just because their ancestors took a dump there?

Whoa cool it with the anti-semitism, there's no reason to drag Israel into this discussion.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lol!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

shouldn't they take over Turkey then, aka Khazaria?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Seriously. WTF even is this wall of wrongness.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How is this guy upvoted?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. 8 Insightful, WTF?

[–]TheJamesRocket 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The U.S. military is the most effective fighting force in the world.

Hahaha. Best military in the world, but they still got chased out of Afghanistan by the fucking Taliban.

Its level of personnel training, technology, leadership and experience in fighting both conventional and counter-insurgency wars is unmatched by any other power out there.

They are the most experienced military in the world when it comes to making disorganised withdrawls from 3rd world countrys, humiliating themselves and abandoning their own civilians.

What a joke. Do you seriously think anyone believes that crap anymore?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It does hold a technological lead in most weapons categories though.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have the watches, we have the time.

  • Based Taliban

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They simply invaded their country and grabbed a portion of their land.

You’re ignoring the histories of these areas. I’m not saying they’re angels or anything but ethnically Russian people on their own lands have every right to not want to be ruled by Ukrainians (or the EU), especially in the regions where they’re a large majority. They were only separated from Russia 30 years ago, based on a treaty drawn up by corrupt leaders. Any nationality would react in the same way.

Germany was in a similar situation, but arguably much worse following WW1. When you humiliate a nation, chop up their borders & territory ignoring ethnic realities on the ground, it’s going to cause problems down the line.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Think I'm exaggerating and underestimating the Russians?

Yes, along with a number of 'misstatements'.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US military is a fucking joke at this point.

And do I detect anti-Slav sentiments in your comment?

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Some politician in the US said we should evacuate the people of Ukraine. The population is 41 million, making the idea laughable.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Unironically, the Ukrainians should build boats and pour into Israel.

We're told all the time that Muslims & Africans can claim refugee status in Western countries, so why not send 41 million Whites to claim Israel as their new homeland?

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't even imagine the nation trying to garner support for a war against Russia or China all to defend places on the other side of the world for Americans

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is any of this different than Germany's most legitimate claims on Danzig over 80 years ago?

That aside, even the vaunted deutsche Wehrmacht could not defeat Russia. This would result in ruin even if it remains confined to conventional warfare.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's actually a very popular and hyper-realistic military simulator called Command: Modern operations. It's so good that the US naval academy uses it to wargame scenarios.

It only allows you to control air and naval assets. One scenario was a Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2016.

Now mind you, I played this scenario with a lot of handicaps compared to the real-life scenario today. Like:

  1. This was set back in 2016 when Russia hadn't completed its modernization and didn't have as many Iskander missiles, few Su-35s and Su-34s, a handful of active guidance air-to-air missiles, and a less-developed missile arsenal.

  2. I was not allowed to use any ground assets, meaning I couldn't make use of Russia's enormous artillery arsenal which is arguably the most powerful in the world.

  3. It modeled NATO as providing an active and immediate response with aircraft making sorties from Turkey, Poland, and Hungary. Plus, there were multiple NATO frigates in the black sea.

  4. I was not well versed in the game's mechanics. I had trouble manually limiting bomb and missile usage on individual targets, so I had to rely on automatic fire more.

The results were in less than 2 days of fighting:

  1. I destroyed the entire Ukrainian airforce. Destroyed one of their major airbases and crippled another two.

  2. I destroyed all Ukrainian ground-based air defense systems and all their radar installations.

  3. I destroyed the NATO AEGIS ballistic missile defense system in Romania.

  4. I destroyed 4 NATO warships and destroyed 40 NATO aircraft.

  5. I destroyed over 160 Ukrainian tanks and artillery pieces just through air power alone.

The only serious losses I suffered were in the Crimean sector owing to its isolation from the Russian mainland. And I did this with just the forces allocated to the Russian southern military district.

In contrast, in 2021, the Russian air and naval force is much stronger than before. And the Southern MD has been greatly reinforced.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based Russian Bear.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good article. Since when can we find truth in Journalism? Isn't this 2021? Either way, thank you for the intelligent read.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just stumbled upon it by accident.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Some of those Ukraine girls are fucking hot. Not many but some.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Ukraine is full of hot girls.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'd fuck them.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I doubt the feeling is mutual.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd still fuck them. Didn't say they woud let me but I would.