Homophobia among animals

submitted by Fourth_stage from self.debatealtright

homophobia among animals from book “Homosexual Behaviour in Animals: An Evolutionary Perspective”

https://books.google.lt/books?id=KXM3F59y1jkC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=animals+resist+homosexual&source=bl&ots=WHYKWh8pXS&sig=DyGoxuHBAyUtucSg1iREEVOK0vk&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=attack&f=false

http://archive.is/LKMvv

[page 28] “When male Japanese macaques do exhibit an interest in homosexual consortships, female partners will sometimes threaten or attack them and attempt to drive the males away.”

Pages 147-148 also state that in bison "mildly negative" reactions to female-female sexual behavior was observed such as displacing one of the females during the act and "mild head threats and loud vocal threats".

Page 357-358 (table 14.1) lists numerous examples of attacks on homosexual pairs or groups. For example:

In Canadian Geese “Ganders disrupt female-female pairs by chasing off one and copulating with the other.”

In Mountain Gorillas “Males aggressively separate females engaged in homosexual mounting.”

One persons comment: “In some of the many examples it seems like competitive mating behavior, because it says that heterosexual mating is attempted after disrupting homosexual activity, but many of the examples just say that the homosexual activity is disrupted, without any mention of attempted heterosexual mating thereafter. The abstract of the de Vos and Dowsett article which the book references in table 14.1 for saying that in wild Lechwe and Puku "Males attempt to separate female sexual partners by herding one of the females away from the other", says in the abstract "Single males, accompanying groups of females, don't ... display aggressively to intruding males."

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It makes sense if you're an animal procreating to stop counterproductive behavior. Don't forget animals are dumb as hell. I love my Gizmo to death but that dude can barely even use a smart phone and is infinitely fascinated by string.

Humans, well, maybe it makes sense to promote homosexuals, especially now that eunuchs are out of fashion. We don't need them in the breeding pool, let them do as they wish.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting, my cat can operate a smart phone like a pro. I'd also probably welcome his genes into the breeding pool above most humans. Not gonna lie though, strings and lasers are a big weakness.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting, my cat can operate a smart phone like a pro.

Seriously? Gizzie just claws at porn he likes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No, not seriously. The dog is much more of a TV watcher.

[–]GraviBalts 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Homophobia is natural! Happens in nature! So they cannot say that I am being mean, am just doing what's natural.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A wild Latvian appears! Good to see you commenting here mate.

[–]Fonched 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is something I have never seen addressed by those who wish to highlight animal homosexuality, it does make a great point. The most important thing is, we do need to see how much of the animal kingdom expresses homophobic behavior versus displays of homosexuality for one.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Fascinating. Thanks a lot for posting. Great rebuttal to the oft used argument that homosexuality in animals is just a 'natural' phenomenon so there's no reason for humans to have a negative reaction to it. I've always thought that pure disgust many have when it comes to homosexuality must necessarily have a basis in evolutionary psychology.

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

when leftists talk about animals being faggots as a means of trying to prove it's "natural" I relentlessly hammer on that animals also naturally murder, cannibalize, eat shit, rape each other, etc and then just proceed to mock the fuck out of them by conflating those things with the homosexual displays.

"my dog recently ate some shit at the park and then immediately went to go hump the other dog responsible. don't gay men enjoy doing this sort of activity too? maybe you should give it a quick google (nsfw)"

"bro, you think it's ok to rape a dudes ass without conformed consent because a pygmy marmoset monkey did it? yikes!"

usually they shut up immediately

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It's not fair to say all gays are rapists, there are many respectable ones. You might as well say all men are rapists, that's just as true. I'd say that it's very natural for well adjusted humans to love each other. And/or sexually experiment while they're at it.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No it's fair because in my country 50 percent of all sexual assaults on men are caused by homosexuals and 34 percent or somewhere close to that figure of all child sexual abuse involving male boys and offenders is caused by homosexual men.

In other words 1 percent of the population is responsible for half of all sexual assault on male adults and a third of all child sexual abuse. No one is saying 'all gays are rapists' but the fact that they are almost unbelievably overrepresented in terms of sexual crimes pedophilic or otherwise is important.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are no 'respectable' faggots.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Alongside statements of animal homosexuality the Left also follows their arguments along with stating that believing something is immoral because of its unnaturality is a false assumption ("clothes, flying in planes isn't natural"). I don't really get this one, but it is a linchpin in the defense of homosexuality in humans. I wonder, what is your response to that?

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

to that argument, just because something isn't necessarily immoral/moral because it is natural does not mean that unnatural things are necessarily moral/immoral

regardless, I would highly contest that creating and using tools isn't natural; we've literally evolved alongside clothing, for instance. without skins and pelts and fibers we would have frozen to death. a tremendous part of our success as a species has been our ability to create tools that benefit us, planes included

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chimps use tools. This term 'natural' seems to be falsely conflated in a kind of Rousseauian way with a primordial existence. Technically speaking everything that exists inside nature is 'natural' even gummy bears, sweeteners and AR-15 rifles. I hate that term so much because like racism it's a term everyone uses constantly but no one thinks about.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. Important to remember nuance.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Great, but I wonder how would you compare that being said to be a natural phenomenon vs. tribalism, which we argue is one? https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/10/01/animal-tribalism-studies-prove-that-in-group-preference-racism-is-a-natural-phenomenon-found-throughout-the-animal-kingdom/

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

First of all there's no 'we' here and I've never read Thuletide and have no idea what it is you believe.

Secondly I take it as just an axiomatic ethical reality that White people have a right to self-advocacy. Whether this phenomenon of ethnocentrism exists in the animal kingodm -- and it obviously does -- is totally irrelevant to me and I would advocate for White people whether or not such behaviours were exhibited in the animal world.

Primates display all sorts of interesting behaviour -- for instance they exhibit the same toy preferences in male and females that humans do -- but they're not the basis of my worldview so I don't really care.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this is a common talking point around here and I only wanted to share the post from Thuletide to illustrate said point. Good analogy otherwise, you just have to see how beneficial the behavior is to us in the first place.