Black Nationalist who was released on a $1,000 bail intentionally runs into a crowd of people celebrating Christmas, most of whom were children. by randominteger in debatealtright

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-big-time-right-wing-trolls-andy-ngo-and-tim-pool-tied-waukesha-killings-to-black-lives-matter Speaking of this kind of article.

Ngo also included another suggestion that bears little resemblance to reality. “He also has a post about how to get away with running people over on the street,” he tweeted. This is, at best, inflammatory and misleading. Yes, in 2016, Brooks shared a post from an ex-Minneapolis sargeant who’d encouraged citizens to run over BLM protesters, saying they could get off scot-free by calling 911 and claiming BLM had a “propensity towards violence.” Anyone with a cursory knowledge of the story would easily realize Brooks was condemning the cop. Ngo left all of that information out. Instead, in another tweet in the thread, he stripped away the context to quote Brooks saying: "Run them over. Keep traffic flowing & don't slow down for any of these idiots.” In doing so, Ngo implies it was Brooks who was providing a how-to guide for using a car as a weapon and not the ex-Minneapolis cop.

New Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal. Thoughts? by Nasser in debatealtright

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Would rather stay as long as we can, until things would start getting hellish.

New Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal. Thoughts? by Nasser in debatealtright

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I knew this was happening for a while, some claimed that apparently Jack was apathetic to the "wrongthink" present on the site and were working to oust him.

Black Nationalist who was released on a $1,000 bail intentionally runs into a crowd of people celebrating Christmas, most of whom were children. by randominteger in debatealtright

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Sad that it got so much praise on Twitter.

Although I'm still left with a question; this article points out how one of his posts about a right-wing cop running people over was miscontextualized, which is one of the most prominent points they make to prove Ngo and others are wrong about Waukesha. What do we make of this? I don't fully get this, but I am assuming that it was just another manifestation of strong BLM support and that he might have been influenced regardless.

White pill: India's fertility rate is falling below replacement level by Nasser in debatealtright

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This is in line with one of the most common arguments brought up against replacement theory, the demographic transition model. In addition to its statement about inevitable development lowering White birth rates, it also holds that such impacts (especially through immigration) will not be enough for non-Whites to replace anybody. Thoughts on it?

How "jew aware" were you before you became alt right/white nationalist? by TheWorldToCome in debatealtright

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I recall looking at many classic pop culture things and realizing the backgrounds of people involved, but I thought it was just a special sight not long before I shifted well to the right. Otherwise all I had was a very normie understanding and opinion.

Black Nationalist who was released on a $1,000 bail intentionally runs into a crowd of people celebrating Christmas, most of whom were children. by randominteger in debatealtright

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I just don't know why they are playing word games then and getting so famous on Twitter for it.

Sines v Kessler verdict by disidentHR in debatealtright

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Regardless of this, they are still finding a way and banking on the fact there are 25 defendants listed to pay all the damages. Who knows if they apply the same strategy elsewhere, to groups who actually have money and are more likely to retain such until their civil suits conclude.

Black Nationalist who was released on a $1,000 bail intentionally runs into a crowd of people celebrating Christmas, most of whom were children. by randominteger in debatealtright

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What the claim is now is that law enforcement agencies have not spoken on calling it an act of terror, and that Brooks was not directly affiliated with any BLM/black nationalist group.

Black Nationalist who was released on a $1,000 bail intentionally runs into a crowd of people celebrating Christmas, most of whom were children. by randominteger in debatealtright

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It makes a sorry excuse for not showing the posts, in that his accounts were taken offline when clearly his posts have been making rounds. Although if they have, that isn't enough to demonstrate that he was an affiliated BLM activist.

Sines v Kessler verdict by disidentHR in debatealtright

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I've heard somber talk from some of their people, but the celebration mostly goes that Charges 1 and 2 were not accounted for or that the defendants do not have enough money to pay damages.

Black Nationalist who was released on a $1,000 bail intentionally runs into a crowd of people celebrating Christmas, most of whom were children. by randominteger in debatealtright

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https://archive.md/Gp2ZX This Daily Beast article being a big example. Could you challenge its contents? Many people have lauded this article as they dislike Andy Ngo.

Sines v Kessler verdict by disidentHR in debatealtright

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Glad at least the first two charges were not contested, but the rest of it is just damning. There needs to be forward thinking in this case as to how we can still get our First Amendment-protected speech heard, and how not to get trapped in a sticky situation in the future.

Now, an interesting question related to UTR. I recall many saying that these protests would have elevated the alt-right to mainstream political presence had there not been such a scary scene at the rally and a major fallout for nationalists after August 12. What if tension between both sides of the protest remained calm, and the Fields situation never happened?

Even Peanut Butter is not safe from globohomo. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Now that makes sense. There may be smaller corporations with competition on it too, but having such representation everywhere really brings this effect out.

Even Peanut Butter is not safe from globohomo. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Yes, though my question is that since they want to earn money from these populations, we need to see how the spread of such is actually relative to public acceptance of such woke categories to prove they were pushing it and not just riding the trends.

Even Peanut Butter is not safe from globohomo. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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How the corporations would still back wokism despite claims that it only does so for the money.

Even Peanut Butter is not safe from globohomo. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Now how would backing these racial/gender groups be done?

Even Peanut Butter is not safe from globohomo. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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What is your take on some of the left-wing arguments that these corporations are simply pandering to these views for money? In that they didn't start doing this until it was somewhat accepted, they don't use rainbow flags past June or in countries where there is still a taboo (they'd be true pushers if they did)...

Rittenhouse trial discussion tread. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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The three other protesters traveled farther than Kyle.

Homophobia among animals by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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Thank you. Important to remember nuance.

When did eradicating "Whiteness" first began? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Some who typically question whiteness have said that the White people they point out are who the White establishment has defined as "White" - not that they are committing a logical error.

Homophobia among animals by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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this is a common talking point around here and I only wanted to share the post from Thuletide to illustrate said point. Good analogy otherwise, you just have to see how beneficial the behavior is to us in the first place.

When did eradicating "Whiteness" first began? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Yes, I can see. Plus the rest of Russia doesn't really matter into that definition, matter of fact. I realize that was just twisting stuff.

What I meant to say was, I have found some more evidence that some believe makes the these groups not considered White: Southern Italians and Eastern Europeans were subject to Jim Crow laws, Ellis Island turned into a deportation center upon the 1920s immigration acts on top of these groups often having their votes disqualified in elections and recent Irish immigrants being considered as lower than blacks in rhetoric in the late 1800s. These are just a few more questions I have.

Homophobia among animals by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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Great, but I wonder how would you compare that being said to be a natural phenomenon vs. tribalism, which we argue is one? https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/10/01/animal-tribalism-studies-prove-that-in-group-preference-racism-is-a-natural-phenomenon-found-throughout-the-animal-kingdom/

Homophobia among animals by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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Alongside statements of animal homosexuality the Left also follows their arguments along with stating that believing something is immoral because of its unnaturality is a false assumption ("clothes, flying in planes isn't natural"). I don't really get this one, but it is a linchpin in the defense of homosexuality in humans. I wonder, what is your response to that?

When did eradicating "Whiteness" first began? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Correct, although I have some regional questions. The "White means European" definition is affected by how Kazakhstan reaches into Europe, how Russia reaches into Asia (Siberia) and by the Ottoman Empire's expansion into continental Europe as well.

Even without race science factored in, there is still the whole "x wasn't considered white" component key to whiteness studies which I am currently having questions about right now.

Homophobia among animals by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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This is something I have never seen addressed by those who wish to highlight animal homosexuality, it does make a great point. The most important thing is, we do need to see how much of the animal kingdom expresses homophobic behavior versus displays of homosexuality for one.

When did eradicating "Whiteness" first began? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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I thought this was about the concept of whiteness, a la whiteness studies. Clearly pioneered by Ignatiev, Ted Allen, and a few others.

Objecting to Pride Gear for Very Young Children Now Subject of Social Media Ire by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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Seems to be the usual stuff mocking "Satanic Panic" from the left, as well as their usual brand of "ZOMG GAY AGENDA 5G MICROCHIPS" satire through that lady supporting Satan just to save face in front of a right-winger.

Studies that purport to show that Gender Transition has a Positive Effect on Trans People by tantamle in debatealtright

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Correct. Although I have seen some accounts that allege primary sources never come to RW conclusions, or that these theories are justifiably censored for truily being incorrect - such as a few BreadPanes comics for instance.

Questions about "The Transgender Industrial Complex" and related research by Fonched in debatealtright

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This is in comparison to other mental illnesses, and this is a disqualifying factor in homosexuality being a mental illness because “homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, reliability or general social and vocational capabilities.” (APA, 1975). There may still be more fronts on which it is a mental illness. Meanwhile as to city-dwelling lifestyles that many homosexuals live in, there are exceptions throughout and I don't think that their homosexual traits affect the pace of their lifestyle.

Regarding reproduction and homosexuals, there are certain avenues they can take such as surrogacy and sperm donation (as well as a few other methods in the works) on top of some pansexual/gender non-conforming couples that can reproduce in typical fashion.

As for molestation, this has been one of our theories aside from toxoplasmosis, competing with mainstream theories of it having a biological basis. Meanwhile there have been studies that have sought to disprove the connection - https://archive.md/Odl93 (Myth #3).

Studies that purport to show that Gender Transition has a Positive Effect on Trans People by tantamle in debatealtright

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Correct. Now what can we do about not having an academic side?

How to deal with lesbians in the ethnostate. by Mastermustard03 in debatealtright

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Understood, but I don't really know any negative effects of being a lesbian besides the less chances of reproduction. The latter is something I am also taking into account the rest of the LGBT community with.

Questions about "The Transgender Industrial Complex" and related research by Fonched in debatealtright

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Alright, so I am not sure about the first part. Is there a meeting between rejection and approval of biological essentialism when it comes to sex/gender there?

And thanks for the recommendation. I'll see what entails next.

Studies that purport to show that Gender Transition has a Positive Effect on Trans People by tantamle in debatealtright

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Now about these kinds of studies, I would like to point out something. The left promotes these studies because they are peer reviewed compared to ours - in general, why is peer review not beneficial to studies? I would also like to point out how some of these may have small sample studies, but these people say that's all they can do as they don't have appropriate homosexual/transgender sample sizes at their disposal.

In all I would like more discussion concerning these studies and facts, I feel like we are weak with research compared to the LGBT community which is highly dedicated in all. By the way it's not about winning over somebody in a debate, it's knowing that you yourself have an answer to every rebuttal the opposition puts out and are confident in what you believe.

Studies that purport to show that Gender Transition has a Positive Effect on Trans People by tantamle in debatealtright

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How so?

Studies that purport to show that Gender Transition has a Positive Effect on Trans People by tantamle in debatealtright

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Although, isn't transgenderism not a choice unlike consuming sugar and cigarettes?

Questions about "The Transgender Industrial Complex" and related research by Fonched in debatealtright

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Now I am trying to find out whether it is bad that they are influencing society, or if they will inevitably do so or not.

Questions about "The Transgender Industrial Complex" and related research by Fonched in debatealtright

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What is an example of the Left rejecting biological essentialism as applied to matters not pertaining to homosexuality/transgenderism? I don't quite seem to remember this. I could see the tomboy/effeminate male thing perhaps being marcated by the studies (where it is mislabeled as desires to cross over to the other sex), but that I cannot confirm nor deny it. The surgery portion certainly is shocking, though, and I would like to point out to the readers that transitioning isn't the same as getting surgery (just to clear things up).

Now about the notion that this would be the sign of a decling empire, I'm not too sure yet. A similar analogy is that the liberal classicists are against the idea that the Roman Empire declined due to uncontrollable amounts of immigration.

Questions about "The Transgender Industrial Complex" and related research by Fonched in debatealtright

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I agree on that part, but I am in the research process right now. While they provide some leniency if one is disgusted by their sight, they still exclaim how it's a human right for them to exist based on other factors and that homosexual/transgender people are not disgusted themselves.

A possible theory about how the left has been able to dominate cultural, social and academic sectors by Nasser in debatealtright

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One thing the left talks about is that their information is backed up more by primary sources than ours, hence why their information is more accepted by intellectuals and the general public. Do those who research such events never come to right-wing conclusions?

Charlottesville Civil Suit Thread - Sines v Kessler by Markimus in debatealtright

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Well yes, most of it is ad-hominem, but I am still mining these threads for other interesting arguments they make. Still I don't quite know about the whole thing about something being either a joke or serious (as example, the whole PewDiePipeline video making an argument for all our humor leading to such action).

I will admit that the inclusion of Lipstadt speaks volumes about the prosecution however.

Charlottesville Civil Suit Thread - Sines v Kessler by Markimus in debatealtright

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Apparently Lipstadt signed on as witness, primarily to analyze symbols, tropes and perceived intents of the UTR protesters.

Yes, I do know. Still it's other people associated with the network that are on trial right now, and the rhetoric is still on display today. The prosecution's people are questioning the marcated line between these posts being "just a joke" and serious threats as well.

https://gab.com/UTR_Updates/posts/107214873672378598 "There is a great deal of Azzmador material being submitted into evidence. They're still in July reading from the Discord chats."

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1455995281217146891 ("they are scum", "they deserve their fates" messages)

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1455529452633567232 (Daily Stormer - "self-deprecating humor to hide their true feelings")

There's more of it down Molly Conger's feed. Kessler/UTR Updates do a good job, but there's still another side to the story to explore and neither have been as detailed with these sorts of messages.

Charlottesville Civil Suit Thread - Sines v Kessler by Markimus in debatealtright

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Basically what was part of the whole Discord/Daily Stormer thing - it's up in the air right now with Lipstadt's role in the trial.

Charlottesville Civil Suit Thread - Sines v Kessler by Markimus in debatealtright

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How are the defendants going to address the primary claim found throughout news articles, that there was a conspiracy through the numerous online messages collected?

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/23/21-10/29/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Indeed, I plan to ask more questions and make new threads regarding my newest revelations, so that I can obtain answers to some of the most confounding questions, debate, and let the rest of the sphere know.

They most often make the case when they pull up those "Neo-Nazis employed by [insert government agency here]" articles, but mostly it's their first assumption when hearing about the entrapment cases if they're not denying it (the pushback when Tucker first reported on 1/6 FBI involvement, "The Far Right's Fear of Glowies" in The Atlantic).

Religion-wise, my discussion into what the Bible says on these subjects is about all I need to hear for now. I will try and practice more when I feel and have the time to do so.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/23/21-10/29/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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For me, I have only been an average Dissident Right person for some time. The "On the fence" flair signifies that I have been doing some research into various talking points, including those often neglected by members of the DR that will determine where to go next. I have been working on this for a moment in here with my posts, therefore I am not involved with any subcultures or anything even deeply.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/23/21-10/29/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Great explanation as to why this whole fed thing isn't weighted towards oppressing the left as a whole. Your view on how the DR has weakened on part of these fed events while the left has not is solid though.

Thanks for asking. I wouldn't mind if you can continue it anyway.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/23/21-10/29/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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On "glowie"/fed activity: How does the theory that agents make the right look bad compare to the left's opposite explanation that states these people joined the government as a vehicle to advance their beliefs (or that they are responsible for the entire rise of the Alt-Right in the first place)?

An Analysis of Jewish IQ and Overrepresentation by cisheteroscum in debatealtright

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Well then, keep me in the loop.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/16/21-10/22/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Thank you for the references. How would I base my own spiritual foundation instead of looking quotes? Just use my own stances on the topic to keep my faith going?

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/16/21-10/22/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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It was just some sources I forgot, which illustrated my previous questions. I do want to see more examples of these words meaning "homosexual", even despite some of the uses of arsenokoites/malakoi in other publiccations meaning not to be that. Other than that good points and surreal to see these gay christian sources make a logical fallacy.

Sean Last vs Destiny On Immigration by literalotherkin in debatealtright

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rm7VSA09Pr4PEhQB628CTKYzmR1lzUZSd8PT4LteFxE/edit Here is the document. Destiny claimed more Americans were in favor of lifting immigration restrictions in the 1960s than were against, immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than Whites, among comparing immigration to other things that are a net benefit despite its dangers (like driving, firearm use etc.)

Sean Last vs Destiny On Immigration by literalotherkin in debatealtright

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rm7VSA09Pr4PEhQB628CTKYzmR1lzUZSd8PT4LteFxE/edit Here is the document. Destiny claimed more Americans were in favor of lifting immigration restrictions in the 1960s than were against, immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than Whites, among comparing immigration to other things that are a net benefit despite its dangers (like driving, firearm use etc.)

Sean Last vs Destiny On Immigration by literalotherkin in debatealtright

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Can anyone think back to the debate vs. Nick Fuentes? How would one compare this vs. the previous one, where Destiny made a lot of bold points against Nick?

How should you respond when our opponent accuse us of being Nazi’s? by VraiBleu in debatealtright

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The thing is, if you refuse to be called a "Nazi" or "racist", they'll keep insisting that you are one. I'm assuming this is as they believe you want to be dubbed the complete opposite or to not have such ideologies attached to your name, so my idea would be to just own it. But there's also the problem of assumptions they would make for people they label as such, even for the lightest displays.

Here's a related meme which helps illustrate my point: https://i.imgur.com/YAUHN7C.png

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/16/21-10/22/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Yes, it is for now. Although I am currently verifying everything I know I forgot my sources that state the contrary by the way, there are many such but here are a few inventories with lots of detail: https://www.gaychristian101.com/ https://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/07/21/no-gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender-not-sin/ https://moanti.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/gaychristians/

These sources say that 1 Cor 6:9 was printed as "weaklings" or "effeminates" in accordance with the root word, "malakoi" until the 20th century and that the original writers were not intending for it to mean homosexuality itself. Although I also discovered this thread (https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/235821095/#235828411) that provides another perspective to it. Romans, meanwhile, has been alleged for centuries to be about shrine prostitution from those sources.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/16/21-10/22/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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I agree with these sins, although I was speaking on the verses itself and the modern interpretations I have posted above. The other traits of homosexuality are something I am looking into right now, though.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/16/21-10/22/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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The question is about whether the Bible explicitly speaks about condemning homosexuality or not. The laws held of the time are true, but I'm willing to see if these verses really are against homosexuality or other kinds of perversions instead (shrine prostitution, other paraphilias) now that there has been more of a focus on revising that sort of history.

I am already a Christian, although I am looking to practice more, verifying these verses to see if it's right for me.

Weekly Discussion Thread. 10/16/21-10/22/21. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Here is a question for the devout Christians on this board about what the Bible has had to say about homosexuality. I am not focusing on debating Christianity vs. Paganism here; this section is solely a comparison of pro and anti-LGBT views within the Christian sphere.

Currently I am not a practicing Christian, although I am looking to expand on my horizons. I am focusing on the Bible’s contents relating to homosexuality, being a strong historical/moral foundation for our beliefs and often cited by us. Multiple Christian figures and academics allege nearly every passage mentioning homosexuality does not refer to the sexuality as a whole, and that such mistranslations have only appeared in recent years. For the most part, I have managed to solve a few of these “clobber passages”, such as the infamous “arsenokoites” https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/78917576/#78957117 passage that has indeed stood for same-sex relations in the languages of Biblical times, considering the fact that the word “homosexuality” was not invented until the 19th century. However, there are still passages that confound me; that being the Sodom and Gomorrah story being about inhospitality, Leviticus 18:22 being of shrine prostitution, and the various definitions of marriage listed in the Bible that do not entirely drive. There is also the question whether the Old Testament, where the vast majority of criticism against homosexuality lies, has been superseded by the New Testament and modern moral codes.

An Analysis of Jewish IQ and Overrepresentation by cisheteroscum in debatealtright

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Very intriguing read, I'll have to apply that to the rest of my knowledge thus far. Just a few questions; how would you apply this knowledge to the "antisemites believe Jews control the world while being an inferior group" meme that's popular among these groups, and what do you say of the take that claims they are competing against one another across media networks and are not united in a conspiracy?

Unite the Right civil trial begins October 26th by [deleted] in debatealtright

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I wonder exactly how it'll turn out. We should spread the word so everyone can help the cause.

Columbus Day isn't based by Noloben in debatealtright

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I don't mind the good parts we got out from it, such as all the civilization across the Americas. I sense the cultural connections Columbus had, but I haven't seen those entirely proved, and besides his troupe is what started all the rest. Hopefully problems persisting can be fixed.

"Jaclyn" Moore, tranny writer for Dear White People is Boycotting netflix. Question For My Frens Here: Is This a "Fellow"" White by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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That aside, this really brought up a huge debate about "punching up" and "punching down" in comedy. What would you say about this across the board?

Twitter reacts to a white woman expressing pride in her facial features by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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I believe I've seen this before. I will try and remember what it says now, thank you.

Twitter reacts to a white woman expressing pride in her facial features by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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Twitter reacts to a white woman expressing pride in her facial features by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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What does outbreeding mean exactly?

Twitter reacts to a white woman expressing pride in her facial features by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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What a wonderful way of chronicling the thread. There is lots to learn from the replies. My takes per each section:

1) I always thought the replies were far from that and the usual leftist talk. At least Varg's followers and others on the DR actually believe there has been a fixed White race. "the concept of race is new and fluid", "concept of race wasn't invented until the slave trade", "Irish and Italians weren't considered White", "no genetic markers for whiteness".

4) Reminds me of the quote, "White fascists would rather fight bloody battles with other Whites than sit next to a black person on the bus", implying that other races in these nations have more experiences and heart in common than just about anyone from a neighboring nation.

5) I've also seen them speak about inbreeding (bringing up the Habsburg portrait and all) when someone is in opposition to miscegenation/diversity, believing it'll be inevitable for a state returning to homogenity.

6) "OMG she is literally a fascist in a fascist group that France banned!!" I'm pretty sure AK and his followers know all this anyway. I don't get why this makes the material instantly avoidable.

Another popular reply under Krogan's thread is the anime meme hinting at the homosexuality of Ancient Greece/Rome that has seen no solid rebuttals thus far. Fair warning that it is off-topic, but the history of Julius Caesar and Nero's gay acts is implied to be another dig at what we hold to heart about these cultures.

I would like to hear from these people why these standards (no monolithic White group due to fighting, honoring European heritage is weird) apply to us so.

LGBT discussion (science, morality, history) by Fonched in debatealtright

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Now that I have read the Transgender Industrial Complex I further understand where this is coming from. However, I was told the “Overt Male Homosexual” study was replicated several times, always to the same results. Whether the manipulation occured or not in those retrials, or what reasoning was there for them, I don't know. How was the exclusion of psychiatric patients even touted as fair?

Meanwhile you mentioned changes to psychological studies, which could have rendered the study worthless despite its legacy. What were they like, even though these people would probably be ahead of the curve and are seemingly still accepting the results of MOH?

Keith Woods: "Are people still going to call Tucker a gatekeeper and a net negative now that he's calling out the great replacement on Fox?" by tantamle in debatealtright

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Regardless of what these pundits are actually doing, I see some genuine believers (who are currently their followers) will come out of this situation and won't be stuck to mainstream conservative ideals. It's not going to be the majority of their viewers, and this doesn't signal a clear path to victory, but I don't mind what we are getting right now.

Woman in Albany latest to get unpersoned for calling a black person a name by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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Likely the anti-racist types in mainstream Till articles, mentioning "lynched for staring at White women" in contrast to Whites' purported privileges.

Woman in Albany latest to get unpersoned for calling a black person a name by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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Some people out there seem to say that Till's father's incident was false, same as the dubious circumstances surrounding Emmett himself.

First Kate Pierson Now Elvira, Cassandra Peterson Has Come out as a Dyke by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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Something feels contrived about these coming-out events.

As a generation millennial, I'm deeply concerned about the fates of Zoomers and Gen Alpha. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Yes. Although a web search would certainly see what people have brought up against it. One of those facets is the whole "detransitioning is rare/only caused by hatred" argument.

And I have read that book for sure. Great outline of everything. This critique of the book gives a prime example of the opposition against "gay/trans agenda" theories: https://medium.com/james-finn/the-transgender-industrial-complex-racist-anti-semitic-nonsense-e82edc20ef89

Hilariously I recall many strawmanning the book entirely to believe transgenders were the wealthy boardroom guests themselves when it came out.

As a generation millennial, I'm deeply concerned about the fates of Zoomers and Gen Alpha. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Although I have seen many in the community lament about how it is false or that its theories aren't trusted by both them and scientists (people calling ROGD a hoax for instance). What do you have to say about that?

Neo-Nazi skinhead white supremacist terrorists declare war on your way of life by Blackbrownfreestuff in debatealtright

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"B-but the Proud Boys are indeed racist, fascist white supremacists because of their Proud Goys division!"

I'll also add, "Anyone who I don't like is a damn basement-dwelling cousin-loving incel MAGAt! Le master race doesn't look so supreme as they think they are!"

This is how the dissident right blogger Dr Caveman got doxxed, and how you can prevent the same thing from happening to you. by Ponderer in debatealtright

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What triggered the doxxing event in the first place? Was he just a random target they were able to stumble upon, or posted something they felt went too far?

Robert E. Lee statue brought down; check out the comments by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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Regarding conservatives... that is where the Left jumps to their "Removing statues isn't erasure of history!" and "Germany has had no Nazi statues since WW2!" arguments.

Otherwise, I have a burning question. What does everyone think of the "x lasted longer than the Confederacy" meme? It primarily signifies that the short reign of the CSA does not make it significant enough for anyone to count it as their heritage, but also goes along with how they feel such "racist"/"fascist" ideologies always end up defeated (see the "1865/1945/2020" meme for instance).

What we’re up against: White liberals rejoice at Whites becoming a minority. Kevin MacDonald gives a maddening sample of suicidal Whites on Twitter. by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

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I just don't get why the average left-winger believes this is justified in exchange for the colonialism of the past.

Why does the sidebar link to thuletide? by Noloben in debatealtright

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I enjoy his blog quite a lot and I don't really care about political division. I'm into it to look at stuff that 90% of us agree on and not positions on leaders or whatnot.

Mark Collett is debating Destiny at 3pm EST on the Killstream by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Seems it's delayed but hopefully it will indeed restart after some time and we will know when.

The Tonight Show audience cheering at white population decline by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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Man, that is the Godwin's law of discussion on race, whiteness and demographics. I heard that quite a lot, although I don't know how this is supposed to sway their arguments on what is considered White. There is the exclusion act that restricted these southern/Eastern European immigrants, and the question of citizenship to these people until the 1940s though. I've seen them also use this talking point to point how we also believed in a white genocide 100+ years ago, with these Irish/Italian immigrants being the replacements rather than Hispanics/MENA who they see collapsing into whiteness apparently. This is, in the meantime, a great guide as to what falls under what exactly. https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/08/08/what-is-white-a-guide-for-complete-novices/

The Tonight Show audience cheering at white population decline by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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Appalling that we deserve this because of colonization apparently. And what hilariouys comments too, we can certainly have more support without the censors in place. Other than this, my questions about the theory are:

*What is everyone's thoughts on the whole demographic transition model thing? (birth rates/immigration rates go down in developed societies)

*Is it just simply a strawman that we are "going extinct"? That's what many believe we are meaning, while we are declining I doubt we'll hit rock bottom.

*What is the evidence that this population decline is a plot, and not just non-Whites choosing White countries which have the highest standards?

Gonzo from The Muppets now cross dresses and is “gender non conforming” by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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Agreed, though yes, everyone still agrees that it makes people acceptiong of these lifestyles spreading. The big point they make, however is that LGBTs today cannot stick to the propaganda because they grew up watching straight representation in media as I've said. Excellent article too, it does show how widespread it can be and what the endpoint really is. What a disgusting experiment and reality of our world it is.

Back to the Gonzo issue, many people were also concerned about how putting a male in a dress was considered "oversexualized" and tried to explain that it was not. Any thoughts on that?

Gonzo from The Muppets now cross dresses and is “gender non conforming” by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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I have had it recommended to me in a previous thread, so I'm looking into it down the line. As a counterpoint first, I have discovered this review of the Industrial Complex book: https://medium.com/james-finn/the-transgender-industrial-complex-racist-anti-semitic-nonsense-e82edc20ef89 James Finn believes the book has a lack of evidence for transgenderism being a conspiracy, is poorly written in a lackadasical style simply taking out anger, and fails to take into account the lived experiences of transgender people which have been oppressed more than championed by many. Someone commented Shrier's book falls victim to this kind of thinking as well. How would you compare these writings to the review I posted?

Thanks for showing me Irreversible Damage anyhow. I look forward to going through each resource and its counterpoints.

2020 US Census shows White population has DROPPED by 8.6% in a decade. The first ever in U.S History. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Strange how this report came out on the 4-year anniversary of the event.

2020 US Census shows White population has DROPPED by 8.6% in a decade. The first ever in U.S History. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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I hope change will be on the way in the future. At this point however, people are still likely to label it as a "Great Replacement/White Genocide Conspiracy theory" as people do not believe this demographic change is deliberately inflicted against Whites and not considered to be as painful as other atrocities ("nice version of genocide" for instance). Those claims include how non-Whites choose White nations on their own as it is the best for them to escape oppression and live quality lives, while Whites just are not simply interested in doing the reverse; plot-wise, I've seen people just not believe that everyone in power is conspiring and having resentment for Whites ("10 people can't decide where to eat out").

Seeing the response on the left already is just appaling. It is a common belief that is justification for what Whites had inflicted on minority populations, unless they become anti-racist and do the most for these oppressed groups.

Now that many know it's going down, I wonder what they will do with previous theories that allege Whites will still prosper through these demographic changes. These include how non-White birth/immigration rates would decline just as the Whites have once they reach a certain level, or that the nations with most migrants are in the Middle East.

The funniest thing of all is that many people celebrate these events as, "Finally! White genocide is here OLOLOL XD! The racists at Fox News are gonna be so mad!" while their compatriots claim they are only "anti-white supremacy", not "anti-white" and that ture examples of the latter are rare assuming they are exaggerating their celebration.

Gonzo from The Muppets now cross dresses and is “gender non conforming” by BiglyBased in debatealtright

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I've posted about this in another thread, but does anyone here have any other counters to the claims that this does not influence kids to be LGBT, as it is not a choice and they will start feeling these emotions themselves?

The Blood Libel of "Domestic Terrorism" speech delivered by Mike Peinovich to the 5th mass meeting of the National Justice Party on July 24, 2021. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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A promising speech. Not a direct NJP supporter but the team has put out amazing articles on their websites. I hope everyone stays peaceful so we can put on a stellar effort.

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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On the media and other industries they are said to control:

-"J. J. Goldberg, editorial director of the newspaper The Forward, in 1997 published a study of this myth regarding the United States, concluding that, although Jews do hold many prominent positions in the U.S. media industry, they "do not make a high priority of Jewish concerns" and that Jewish Americans generally perceive the media as anti-Israel. Variants on this theme have focused on Hollywood, the press, and the music industry."

-Alan Dershowitz: "Many of these individuals are Jewish only in the sense that their parents or grandparents happen to be Jews. They do not live Jewish lives or support Jewish causes. They certainly do not conspire to exercise any sort of “Jewish control” over the areas in which they work. Indeed, many individual Jews who are in positions of authority are anti-Israel and critical of Jewish values. Others simply don’t care about these issues ... So let’s stop all this nonsense about Jewish control over the media and praise those individual Jews who, by dint of hard work and talent, have earned their place, as individuals, in so many areas of American life.", "Whenever there are allegations of Jewish “control” over the “media,” the primary examples cited are The New York Times and the Washington Post. Both were founded by families of Jewish origin. But neither has ever gone out of its way to promote Jewish causes or values. The New York Times was derelict in reporting on the Holocaust and generally opposed the establishment of Israel. It remains critical of many current Israeli policies (as does the Washington Post)."

-https://gab.com/Fonched/posts/106292117954739911m A collection of infographics (one denies Jews having a majority of executive positions at media companies, another breaks down the famed CNN meme and claims these graphs baselessly place Stars of David to inflate the totals). The "confirmation bias" portion refers to how an equal amount or more Whites may control institutions, seeing as how there may be significant numbers of Jewish coalitions supporting refugees, feminism but no count for multiple Christian groups doing the same.

On expulsions, the thread and its comments I have linked on the essentially sums up what the left has to say about these expulsions and why they happened, if they were impactful enough. They mostly boil these occurences down to them having been one of the only minorities around and therefore a scapegoat, religious persecution and not actual distaste over actions, allege that this pattern is untrue given countries existed that have been friendly to Jews for many years, or that other groups have been expelled to more deserving angles. Keep me informed if there's any part you are not sure about still.

Duplicate threads with more insight in the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/7295lg/antisemitism_is_historically_a_result_of_jewish/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/7299s7/antisemitism_is_historically_a_result_of_jewish/

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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Great suggestions, I'll have to delve in to what they say. Back to my claim, a point that is obvious to both sides is that these pieces of media encourage viewers to be acceptive of gays and transgenders. The origin of these identities is something that definitely needs to be looked into more. I have heard of the former title, but not the latter at this time. A meme point about the Transgender-Industrial Complex book, the LGBT community has completely strawmanned that book to believe it is saying "transgenders are wealthy and attend boardroom meetings".

If you have heard the news, a big discussion at this very moment is being centered on gays and HIV. Those defending gays claim HIV patients can live long, healthy lifestyles with modern medical treatment and all the pushback is part of a "stigma" against homosexuality.

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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That is true, but most of the time they believe these claims are confirmation bias in other fields and more gentiles are heads of media, banking, and other corps. And another example in the media, they say that they cannot plot through the media because the media had historically gone against interests of Jews themselves (during WWII) or they compete against one another (in a capitalistic sense).

Another big thing they dispute is the "109 times" claim, stating these expulsions were either bogus, insignificant due to state/target size, or simply (religiously) motivated due to them being a wandering minority. There's also a meme going around that Whites had been "expelled" from far more countries due to decolonization, but I digress as this is more of a meme... https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/70st6m/antisemitism_is_historically_a_result_of_jewish/

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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One I have right now is: "There is no gay agenda and people cannot be influenced to change their gender/sexuality because the LGBT people of today grew up largely seeing representations of straight relationships/cis people."

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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Even then, if anyone can converse with me about these loose ends that would be a benefit. My beliefs have eroded on some aspects such as the JQ and statistics related to our mission, while throughout the community coverage of other issues such as LGBT has been quite weak (hence why I made that thread).

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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There may be some unanswered questions of mine, but I am willing to solve and discuss these more amongst others in the community.

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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There are claims that many more have been turning left than previously thought. Could it be feasible, however, that more are turning based than previous generations?

From Neoconservative to Groyper by DisastrousDepth14 in debatealtright

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To be honest I've muted lately on my beliefs, given how I've explored a variety of other stances and found some talking points that have generally not been covered here in the alt-right space alongsingde the large amount of research I have to do. Nevertheless I appreciate how you were able to learn successfully and find great environments, and I hope you can cover and successfully continue being an opportunist.