The wrong side won WW2.

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Scientists have discovered Earth-like planets for a long time. Having a back-up option is good, since our planet could be hit by an asteroid, or a super volcano erupts and covers the entire planet in poisonous soot.

Or it could just be cool to try and live somewhere else. I would love to go vacation on Mars and see how different the environment is compared to our own planet.

Or stay in a Moon hotel. It makes life a lot more interesting knowing there's more to the universe.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This might be impolite to say, but that sounds really superficial.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Well as I said before, we only have one life. Any chance at doing something you really like is limited to where you grew up, and how healthy your body is. But once you've hit your expiry date, you disappear from the universe forever.

Billions of humans have all come and gone without being as close to Space technology like we are. Why celebrate being the exact same as dead people, when they themselves would have been impressed at what is currently possible?

I really doubt the German scientists had built those long range rockets just for laughs. Had they lived longer, they would have created a Jetson's future for us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JJL8CUfF-o

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Billions of humans have all come and gone without being as close to Space technology like we are. Why celebrate being the exact same as dead people, when they themselves would have been impressed at what is currently possible?

This seems like a restless and unhealthy mentality to me.

I really doubt the German scientists had built those long range rockets just for laughs.

They built them to blow things up.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This seems like a restless and unhealthy mentality to me.

As someone who consider himself non-religious, I find it ironic I can justify giving life more purpose, and even encourage people to see exploring the universe as trying to understand our origins.

Opposition to this looks no better than evolution deniers, or people who say the Earth is flat. This type of ignorance does nothing good for our species and even causes more harm as we see with politicians who push these nilhist views on us.

They built them to blow things up.

So why not just stick with dynamite or anything that achieves its goal with less sophistication? Working on rockets served a multi-purpose as it played an important role with getting Satellites into orbit, or reusing the same engine designs to carry humans off into space.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This type of ignorance does nothing good for our species and even causes more harm as we see with politicians who push these nilhist views on us.

You are defining contentment and wellness as a matter of being different from "billions of dead people". I think that nihilism is a foundational premise for a conclusion like this.

So why not just stick with dynamite or anything that achieves its goal with less sophistication? Working on rockets served a multi-purpose as it played an important role with getting Satellites into orbit, or reusing the same engine designs to carry humans off into space.

Presumably because Britain was too far off.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You are defining contentment and wellness as a matter of being different from "billions of dead people". I think that nihilism is a foundational premise for a conclusion like this.

Who benefits from being told that the average man does not deserve to see their society advance? Or that science should not be used to give their descendants a better future? Only Politicians believe that.

Presumably because Britain was too far off.

So they built machines that made it easier to transport objects from one area to the other because they couldn't reach Britain using traditional means? Sounds like a nice argument in favor of connecting space travel.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Who benefits from being told that the average man does not deserve to see their society advance? Or that science should not be used to give their descendants a better future? Only Politicians believe that.

That's a different issue.

So they built machines that made it easier to transport objects from one area to the other because they couldn't reach Britain using traditional means? Sounds like a nice argument in favor of connecting space travel.

What?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a different issue.

No reason to treat them separate. Scientific breakthroughs always trickle down and benefit the people at the bottom. Saying "no" to this only upholds the status quo, which is handing more power and privilege to the Elite. Especially in a thread stressing how important it was for Germany to win WW2, Germany would have kept Space travel open to all citizens, and even work towards making it incredibly affordable.

What?

I've seen anti-space arguments on DAR that say space tech is a waste of time because of how far planets are away from each other. The reference went over your head that Britain being located far away from Germany forced German scientists to come up with a new solution to this. And the result was successful.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, it's top-down Ludditism to maintain oligo/monopolies.