Killstream Post-Mortem w. The Boys

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Without constant supplies from the earth, no other colony can even survive. You can't settle a world with life because its microbes would be deadly to you. You'd need to terraform a planet and there are no suitable candidates nearby. A colony on mars would never be self-sufficient and would die out soon without supplies from the earth.

If an asteroid hits and kills us all, then that is it. Nothing we can do about it. At most, we could build a space station above the earth that's somewhat self-sufficient. All life would certainly not go extinct. Earth has been hit by giant asteroids, blanketed under ice, and bathed in volcanic waste in the past.

Life has always returned. It's just that the old life forms died out. New ones took their place. That is the law of nature. Dinosaurs ruled the earth for tens of millions of years. Only bones remain of them now. Their last descendants are the birds and the Rhino. The same will happen to man and all the other species on earth one day.

To accept this truth is to be truly traditionalist. To argue otherwise and think that you can rise above natural laws is the essence of modernity and Judaism.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Without constant supplies from the earth, no other colony can even survive. You can't settle a world with life because its microbes would be deadly to you. You'd need to terraform a planet and there are no suitable candidates nearby. A colony on mars would never be self-sufficient and would die out soon without supplies from the earth.

Technology is specifically invented to reduce these problems or make them negligible over time.

Go back 10,000 years ago and ask European Cavemen if they've heard of America or can they build boats to cross it? They would have shrugged at the idea even though today, we have airplanes that make crossing continents look like a walk in the park.

If Humans settle another planet, our expectations would naturally evolve with them. And it would certainly turn into a competition if the idea of planetary real estate blows up. You don't think Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk salivate at the idea of becoming mini-monarchs on foreign planets that are outside of Earth's government? That's literally the story of how Brazil was founded after Portugal was invaded by France in the 1800s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_the_Portuguese_court_to_Brazil

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't think Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk salivate at the idea of becoming mini-monarchs on foreign planets that are outside of Earth's government? That's literally the story of how Brazil was founded after Portugal was invaded by France in the 1800s.

You are applying earth analogs to interstellar scales. Just because they would like to do those things doesn't mean they will. Again, there's no law saying that you must be able to do x because you did y despite people doubting it. This is very star trek like thinking. Where is the unified field theory after 70 years?

And all this is fantastical thinking. No government could possibly spend tens of trillions on such out-there projects. A government that did spend such copius amounts on space exploration would be overtaken and defeated by a government that spends those trillions on industry, infrastructure, education, and the military.

The US and China are a rough approximation. The US had the most prosperous and advanced economy in the history of the earth from 1950-1990. Yet, they squandered that unimaginable wealth on wars for Israel, bringing democracy and gay rights to Afghanistan, and dumping trillions on blacks, single moms, and other loafers. It pursued a fantasy that brought no return even on the time frame of 50 years.

China invested its energy into infrastructure, education, industry and it is on the brink of surpassing the US.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are applying earth analogs to interstellar scales.

But Earth is part of the interstellar universe. We literally don't exist in a vacuum and it only makes sense our definition of scale will evolve when Man continues to explore the universe. Just like how Europeans use to sail around Africa, Asia or the Americas before having the right tech to venture inwards.

And all this is fantastical thinking. No government could possibly spend tens of trillions on such out-there projects. A government that did spend such copius amounts on space exploration would be overtaken and defeated by a government that spends those trillions on industry, infrastructure, education, and the military.

The Cold War pitted two superpowers against each other in the race for Space, but only one of them fell. You can guess who (the USSR).

The US and China are a rough approximation. The US had the most prosperous and advanced economy in the history of the earth from 1950-1990. Yet, they squandered that unimaginable wealth on wars for Israel, bringing democracy and gay rights to Afghanistan, and dumping trillions on blacks, single moms, and other loafers. It pursued a fantasy that brought no return even on the time frame of 50 years. China invested its energy into infrastructure, education, industry and it is on the brink of surpassing the US.

You're making my argument for me. The U.S could have been even more powerful had it spent more money on Space research instead of donating it to Israel, black welfare and countless Middle Eastern wars.

And part of China investing in education/infrastructure/industry is obviously just a side step away for going into Space. Follow the news, and they've been sending rovers to the Moon for example, and they have plans to land a man on Mars by 2033.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/24/china-plans-for-first-manned-mission-to-mars-in-2033

All these are what White nations should be doing.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again, there's no law saying that you must be able to do x because you did y, despite people doubting it. This is very star trek like thinking. Where is the unified field theory after 70 years?

Star Trek could get away with that kindof thinking because it is science fiction. You CAN go faster than the speed of life, IF you are smart enough, IF you are daring enough. The most explicit example of this was in Star Trek 5.

''What you fear is the unknown. The people of your planet once believed their world was flat. ...Columbus proved it was round. They said the sound barrier could never be broken. ...It was broken. They said warp speed could not be achieved. The Great Barrier is the ultimate expression of this universal fear. It is an extension of personal fear.''

In real life, however, it doesn't work that way. When Columbus discovered the new world in the 15th century, no educated person actually believed the Earth was flat. Likewise, no scientist ever said that the sound barrier couldn't be broken: After all, bullets routinely broke the sound barrier, and so did all kinds of other things. And as far as we can tell, the speed of light is as fundamental as the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of mass. It is extremely unlikely that any future scientific advances will ever enable this law to be broken.

 

As far as the unified field theory, you bring up an important point. I am by no means an expert in this subject, but I believe that the field of physics (particularly the standard model) may be caught in a scientific dead end. Not unlike the field of medicine was in a dead end before germ theory. Modern physics is unable to verify its own foundational assumptions, and practitioners are required to take them on faith.

As for the claim that the large hadron collider actually proved the existence of the higgs boson? They spent billions of dollars on the most extensive scientific project ever, and the entire framework of the standard model was dependent on it. They were going to find it whether it was there or not.

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I think it's no good to compare sailing to the new world to traveling thru space, the distances are way different. Going to mars would be like if the ocean was 1 inch long.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's all relative.

Cavemen had no understanding of Space, so telling them there's a big unexplored continent on the other side of the world would have sounded just as alien or crazy. And it still took them thousands of years to finally build ships and navigate the oceans before successfully touching down in America or the coasts of South Africa.

Based on today's science, going to Mars is obviously a bigger challenge. But in 500+ years, I expect the gap to shrink and it would be no more harder than riding the Bus to a different part of town.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

it's simplistic and naive tho to expect one thing is possible because another thing was.The other guy was mentioning how space travel would realistically need to be done with AI who then clone humans once it gets to whatever planet after thousands of years. Yeah that is realistic, and yeah it's in 500+ years. We'll all be dead tho.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We'll all be dead tho.

Speak for yourself. I'm of golden age blood, my people live for a thousand years.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based and Hesiodpilled.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have not inherited Thule from our ancestors,

We have borrowed it from our children.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would bypass the cloning part, and just upload the human consciousness into a robot body.

Yeah, it sounds sci-fi as fuck, but this is what you need to understand when I say our expectations always evolve.

The Human body was made for Earth, so why wouldn't Humans design new bodies that can take us anywhere else in the universe? It's evolution, but done artificially.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

good point

all just science fiction tho. And since it is hundreds of years in the future, it's hard to get us humans of the present to spend trillion on it. Which means it will take even longer for our future descendents. Maybe if climate change is real it will force people to speed it up and work on it for the future humans but I doubt it. And this is the great filter. We'll be extinct, that's more likely than traveling to other planets. I think AI being the only thing to survive is more likely.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

>transhumanism

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think rhinos are descended from dinosaurs

I do think they inspired people to make up the dinosaur hoax.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

dinosaur hoax.

come on man.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder what he means by that.

[–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So this is where you draw the line on conspiratorial thought? Lmao.