When did we stop dreaming of a better future?

submitted by Ponderer from self.debatealtright

I don't mean society in general, I mean specifically us.

Look at the banner of this subsaidit. When did dissidents stop dreaming of beautiful visions like that, and start chaining ourselves to the ugliest parts of our day-to-day reality?

I'm a firm believer in predictive programming. I think that if you constantly dwell on failures, weakness, and degeneracy, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy that determines your entire world.

Spiritual considerations aside, it makes logical sense. If you spend all your time affirming "Everything is falling apart, everyone is against us, society will become a dystopia" and firmly believing in an unlivable future, then you will lack the confidence or the know-how to build anything else.

On the other hand, if you spend your time dreaming of a glorious Restoration and how to get there, you will not only be brighter in spirit, but you will have some practical knowledge for how a better society might work and how it could be reached. Writing stories and creating artwork of a better world doesn't just buoy morale, it's good practice - and good propaganda.

These principles apply to individuals, communities, and movements just the same. Minds that constantly dwell on dysfunctional things will become dysfunctional. Minds that consider beautiful, strong, and intelligent things will become beautiful, strong, and intelligent.

And even if you are a total fatalist, and you think that destiny is predetermined regardless of our own attitudes or behaviors, you have to admit that constantly thinking of a better world (even if imaginary) makes you happier than constantly thinking of a worse one.

What say you?

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm convinced this is mostly because of capitalism and the slave morality of the 1960s. We were literally on the road towards a utopia like The Jetsons, but the elites decided that turning the world into a global version of Brazil was better for their interests. We're here because of neoliberal globalization and financialization on the one hand, and 1960s egalitarian bullshit on the other hand. Both the business "right" and the bourgeois "left" got their way. Just imagine how much wealth the US - and every other Western country - has wasted on tax cuts for the plutocrats, offshoring manufacturing, bank bailouts, useless wars, and the endless trillions of black and brown handouts. We could have had a colony on Mars by now if we stayed on course. Sure, the Third World would still be much poorer, but so what? It's not our fucking problem to feed them. The history of the world is dominated by racial struggle, not class struggle or individualism. The only thing that matters is the survival and prosperity of our race and civilization. The state of GDP growth or women's rights in the Third World should never be our concern. Never forget who protested against the Moon landing.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see how these 2 things are at all opposed. We should hate the current world and dream of the better world. Both of these motivate people and they're both necessary to be able to engage in the struggle.

[–]Ponderer[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We should hate the current world and dream of the better world.

I agree. I'm just noticing tons of the former and barely anything of the latter.

It's not enough to tell people that the house is on fire; we have to show them the way out.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're never going to get your dream world if you're delusional about your current situation. When the national socialist were only a handful of war veterans they didn't sit around 'dreaming'. They took a hard look at communist infiltration and events like the Spartacus uprising and decided to organize and do something about it. They achieved the 12 year miracle because they did both. They imagined a future without Jews, commies, and LGBT terrorists and then they went about making that future a reality. If only for a short time. Decisive action without regret is at the heart of the bronze age mindset

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If you are going to be thinking of the future either way, I think it is better to think of your own future rather than that of the world. Deciding what you are going to do with your own life and how you are going to get there is something that is both easier to control and more practically useful.

[–]Ponderer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's totally fine too; I would love to see more self-improvement stuff here.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wasn't specifically referring to self-improvement.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hating the current world and the arbiters of it can be unhealthy but can also be a motivator to get out and do it. If you think "meh, other people in the DR will do it, so why bother?", we collectively get nothing done. If you think "everything wrong in the world and society is the working of Satanist subhumans like Jews and can be fixed through collective effort" you're far more likely to take an active role. The former thinking is the Republicuck "we'll vote for a 'based' guy at some point and maybe stuff will be fixed" mindset, whereas the latter is the "I'm gonna start beefing up my lifting regimen, because some day I might be called upon to act" mindset, the mindset that drives actual change.

The NSDAP and other movements like it didn't succeed because Bubba the overweight redneck sat on his couch saying "Ayup, them guys is purdy smart! I'll vote for them", they succeeded because of fit, able men joining a cause to help their nation.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think you are correct that sometimes we focus on the problems we want to solve so much that these problems consume much of our thinking. Problem solving is part of the human condition, but if we spend too much time worrying about the problems we can't directly change, we miss out on the problems that we can directly solve. The age of information is both a blessing and a curse in this way.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Problem solving is part of the human condition, but if we spend too much time worrying about the problems we can't directly change, we miss out on the problems that we can directly solve.

Totally agreed with this. People prefer reading bad news rather than good news, and so it's easy to focus on roadblocks rather than opportunities.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's easy to focus on roadblocks rather than opportunities

I like this quote.

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

society will become a dystopia

The reality is that we're already living in a dystopia, have been for a while, and it's depressing by it's nature existing in it. They keep things just materially pleasant enough that the heaps of social, cultural, and psychological abuse directed at the average white are tolerated.

To your point though men who can sustain an optimistic countenance in the face of heaping defeats are the most valuable you can have in this sort of marginalized movement. The greatest hope of winning we have are the men who have the courage to imagine a better future and the greatest individual contribution we can make is to have white families in the best environments we can find.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A large part of why people stopped dreaming is due to the current state of white women. Since many men have been denied the dream to have a family, they see little need to invest in the future.