Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 365 Jared Taylor, Greg Johnson, & Jim Goad on the Great Debate

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Great conversation about the debate between Taylor and Jones.

Link:

https://counter-currents.com/2021/08/counter-currents-radio-podcast-no-365-jared-taylor-greg-johnson-jim-goad-on-the-great-debate/

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What do you think about Jones?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think he's a complete moron. We shouldn't associate with him. He's not one of us.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one's perfect, take what they say that is true à la carte. For him to be a "complete moron" he would have to get everything completely wrong, which I don't think he does. Perhaps some of his reasoning is flawed on some subjects, but I think it's a stretch to say he is wrong on everything.

I think the (blank) pipeline to dissident right is real, so I don't see any reason to dissociate, it's better to simply point out what they get wrong. I think the foundation of the pipeline concept is that someone begins questioning one subject, and then continues to move down the line (taking in more redpills) because they're on a search for truth. DR weltanschauung is one based on truth.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm about 20 minutes into the podcast.

I said in the original thread that I agree Taylor won. I'm not sure why people are so confused on EMJ's position though. He thinks race and physical differences are real. So real in fact he thinks they can be molded over time. This is a eugenicist position. He of course dresses this up with religion. His solution is the catholic church will mold not just Europeans but all people to a more desirable beings; the best beings each of the groups can be.

Let's look at this another way. If you create a new country between Germany and Poland and did an experiment where you took Germans and poles and made them breed and live together you'd get a new European ethnic group with characteristics of each. EMJ and Taylor would probably agree on that. The only thing Taylor is saying is that future group would look and act and live very differently depending on lots of outside factors (perfidious Jews being one of them). Their genes would eventually be different if a firm Catholic patriarchal structure was imposed on the region for thousands of years.

I mean everyone on the board believes race can degenerate with Jewish influence. Why is it so crazy to take the EMJ eugenics pill and believe race can improve under certain eugenic conditions? Would people be more open to the catholic pill if it was for closed boarders, ethot patrol and fit, moral, trad white couples?*

*oh wait a second the Catholic church WAS a protector of borders and monogomy through large parts of it's history.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Let's look at this another way. If you create a new country between Germany and Poland and did an experiment where you took Germans and poles and made them breed and live together you'd get a new European ethnic group with characteristics of each. EMJ and Taylor would probably agree on that. The only thing Taylor is saying is that future group would look and act and live very differently depending on lots of outside factors (perfidious Jews being one of them). Their genes would eventually be different if a firm Catholic patriarchal structure was imposed on the region for thousands or hundreds or even thousands of years.

If there's an effort to recreate a new European identity or ethnic group, then I would replace Catholicism with an actual religion that worships German or Polish heroes.

I've mentioned before, but East Asia has a perfect example of this ethno-religion working. Japan's Shintoism was founded on the idea that the Japanese came from a Sun god, and the Emperor was suppose to pass down this lineage.

North Koreans may appear Atheist on the surface, but they've turned their founder of their state, Kim Il-Sung, into a hero that the average Korean can strive for. Since physical appearances are not an issue, any Korean will feel accepted or represented when there's a desire to emulate their founder or defend their state.

That's at least how I picture what religion should be. By introducing Christianity, I feel like it's just going to create the same problems again. I saw this meme posted yesterday on 4chan and I thought it was painstakingly accurate at how the concept of original sin has direct parallels to liberals blaming White people for what their ancestors did.

https://i.imgur.com/QslcDDG.jpg

Better to wipe the slate clean and start fresh, rather then pray "maybe it will work this time!".

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Better to wipe the slate clean and start fresh, rather then pray "maybe it will work this time!".

You act like Christianity was some anti white religion in the past. For most of European history Christianity was directly connected to protection of Europeans and their values. Millions of whites that are trying to fight immigration, hold onto gun rights, and fight degeneracy today are motivated directly by christian values and christian culture. If you try to hold a pro white rally or pro family rally and say that Christians are not welcome nobody is going to show up. If you need to call your friends in to defend your property and family from FEMA thugs or UN invaders are you going to tell them that Christians aren't welcome?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You act like Christianity was some anti white religion in the past.

Look at what happened to the Roman Empire. Were they not following their own [Native European] beliefs when Jerusalem was destroyed?

Then all of a sudden when they converted to Christianity, the Empire also fell...

Christianity may have served its purpose in the past, but it's always been a great risk when associated with Europeans. It doesn't surprise me that Hitler may have tolerated it in the beginning when he was reviving Germany, but in the long run, he admitted the religion would not have been compatible with ethnic Germans because of how "compassionate" it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler's_contemporaries_on_his_religious_beliefs

Hitler, wrote Speer, viewed Christianity as the wrong religion for the "Germanic temperament":[47] Speer wrote that Hitler would say: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohameddan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[50]

A new German religion that worships the Germans would have a been risk free replacement with no consequences.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah christianity was adopted by whites

but whites would have done even better without that jewish created religion. Makes no sense to follow it, as a kid even I wondered why I was praying to jesus who was from the middle east.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Catholic Church is a spent force. Saving it is not a hill I want to die on.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's fine but there are pro white Catholics that want to do the work to clean it or reboot it if necessary. As long as it's an implicity pro white reboot why punch right on that? Why should we throw away our institutions just because they were temporarily subverted? If we are constantly disposing of our culture because it's 'too far gone' then our enemies win.

You could argue that paganism is just as lost and subverted as Catholicism but there are plenty in the alt right that want to reboot that. Even though I'm catholic I don't oppose neo pagan projects. I say that if it's a large part of our past then we should put the work in to salvage and rebuild.

If forced to pick between my church and my race it will always be my race. My race is what allowed catholic thought, worship, and philosophy to prosper. My race is who I am. However, no white person should be forced into that choice. All white culture deserves to be protected.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If forced to pick between my church and my race it will always be my race. My race is what allowed catholic thought, worship, and philosophy to prosper. My race is who I am. However, no white person should be forced into that choice. All white culture deserves to be protected.

I agree.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He thinks race and physical differences are real.

I think he denies they have intellectual or behavior differences.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, and that's obviously wrong. However, he acknowledges differences none the less and acknowledges that a power structure can change people. He say by 'God' but he really means breeding. German tribal wild men hunting pigs into civilized modern humans. That a eugenicist position by any definition.