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[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yes, each generation is brainwashed and conditioned differently, and therefore, react according to that (different) conditioning / brainwashing.

Perhaps I was unclear. I meant that, within a generation, different groups will react differently to the exact same cultural stimuli. Conditioning can be accepted or rejected in various ways and to various degrees. It is not a process that is experienced in a purely passive way.

Liberal materialism WORKED back in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. You are attempting to isolate an ideology as being THE crucial particular of a generation. That is flat wrong. Many many things came together to make liberalism the abomination it has become today.

I am not reducing everything to ideology - the ideology is downstream from the existential condition of the people who maintain it. The boomers were vapid, materialistic and indifferent to an unprecedented degree. Even the "radical" boomers like the beatniks were the same way, only slightly less indifferent.

This is not a problem caused by too much liberalism.

When I say "liberalism", I am referring to the entire system, not to screeching college students with pink hair dye.

It's a problem of not having checks and balances on the REPRESENTATIVE aspect of a "representative democracy".

Ah, I see. You are a liberal yourself. That is probably the main source of our disagreement. Addressing your reply more broadly, a functional welfare state is not "the answer" or "the solution" either. Personally speaking, I think we can hope for more from politics than simply covering the basic material needs of the people. It is certainly a good thing to do so, but it should by no means by the end goal, in my opinion. Liberals will claim otherwise. Many would also claim that is it both impossible and undesirable to even try to achieve more through politics. I disagree.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Once again you fail to pin me down with your preconceived ideas. Checks and balances on the power of politicians make me a liberal? I am not in any way, shape or form a liberal. I'm pointing out a system that "worked" and how it got subverted by the political class and its sponsors.

At any point in time or space, if a national government system happens to exist, hardwired checks and balances have to be implemented on the exercise of power. THE PEOPLE or a Great Leader actually representing his people from soul to toes, have to be the ones with the executive power. Only in such a system can society and joe average not get shafted into oblivion.

Any socio-political/economic argument that doesn't start there is moot because it ignores the most fundamental building block of society: The individual.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Checks and balances on the power of politicians make me a liberal?

Yes.

At any point in time or space, if a national government system happens to exist, hardwired checks and balances have to be implemented on the exercise of power.

No.

I am not sure what else to say to you, since we have seriously departed from the original point of contention.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Liberals actually stand for power to the politicians WITHOUT checks and balances.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Who do you think came up with "checks and balances" in the first place? The separation of powers?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What checks and balances are you referring to? I don't see any...

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The checks and balances exist to keep you - the pleb - in your place. There are plenty of those. The very reason "checks and balances" were first institutionalised was to keep plebs in their place. They worked very well at the inception of liberalism and they still work very well today.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you are talking about something utterly opposite from what I'm talking about.

OK, welcome to my ignore list.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Childish.