South Africa going ape, perhaps there is hope for a white secession there

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https://twitter.com/uMarhobane/status/1414560439606943748

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Jeez. South Africa, Haiti, Cuba, England. Is there a solar flair happening?

edit. Afghanistan is a getting a little rambunctious as well.

https://i.postimg.cc/QxFrf33n/1626100625614.png

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I'm worried that there will be new refugee stream towards Europe. Taliban reconquering Afghanistan, 10 million close to starvation in Yemen and Lebanon on the brink of economic collapse.

The US on the other hand faces hordes from Haiti and Cuba.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm worried that there will be new refugee stream towards Europe.

The EU elites know they can't just let them in this time.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A new refugee crisis would play into the hands of the far right partys in Europe. It would put them back in business again.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

If we get millions of new immigrants into already collapsing liberal US cities is might be the push we need to balkanize the country.

I'm cool with China getting more aggressive. Maybe a war with china will also help balkanize us. I can't imagine a lot of young white men wanting to fight and die for another pointless white genocide war for international banksters.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

we need to balkanize the country.

I really don't see any mechanism. The GOP is part of the establishment. They won't declare any secession, not even on the county level. A group of angry men would just be rounded up by the police and FBI. There's no mechanism for secession. No organization, party or even a list of demands.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I really don't see any mechanism.

There's already enough bureaucracy in each state (in the form of state and local governments) to form individual countries. Obviously there are lots of big problems and questions with balkanization but since there are white people that like building and defending things the white controlled areas are going to do just fine and I could give a shit about the none white areas. Non white areas of the US will eventually become Haiti and will be taken back over by whites after population collapse from lack of food, water and resources.

I think what's important to understand is that a HUGE portion of the united states is living hand to mouth and have totally lost the ability to survive independently or in a farming community. Something like 900k slaves died after the civil war because they couldn't feed themselves without slave owners. At least a 1/4 to half of the US population will probably be the same way and that will include some white people.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Something like 900k slaves died after the civil war because they couldn't feed themselves without slave owners.

Did that happen because they legit couldn't grow food or did the Southern states refuse to give them land? Did they starve because they simply had nowhere to go after the union burned down Southern estates and infrastructure en masse?

Sure, there's bureaucracy, i'm just saying there needs to be some political organization to use that power or officially declare secession. Either a local party controlling the county/state or people's councils. For example, the Soviet union dissolved because the component SSRs like Belarus and Ukraine declared independence from Moscow.

In Austria-Hungary, the Hungarian parliament declared their union with Austria void and split off from the empire. The Czechs did the same.

The only path I see something like that happening in the US is if local white people's councils form and one takes over the local government in a county or a small state and declared independence. It would require radical and bold people and a local population that radically wants this.

The US government would however declare them terrorists and send the cops and national guard to round them up.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did that happen because they legit couldn't grow food or did the Southern states refuse to give them land?

Probably a bit of both but many had freed relatives in the cities and places they could have gone to survive yet couldn't because they were basically incapable of living without oversite.

Did they starve because they simply had nowhere to go after the union burned down Southern estates and infrastructure en masse?

Obviously I think this was a factor as well but again I don't think it's the bulk of the deaths.

Sure, there's bureaucracy, i'm just saying there needs to be some political organization to use that power or officially declare secession.

We're blocked* from forming those political bodies now but I think they will pop up really quickly when the totalitarian neo liberal order is overwhelmed from fighting on so many fronts. We already see factions of the republican party openly in defiance against liberal cities and states over gun rights. The same thing can happen for secession in general.

The only path I see something like that happening in the US is if local white people's councils form and one takes over the local government in a county or a small state and declared independence.

Agreed. We'd have to do a lot of work at the local level. That's why whites getting out of big cities and into smaller areas where they can gain a total monopoly on the political apparatus is the first step and I can tell you personally that's already happening in many parts of the US.

It would require radical and bold people and a local population that radically wants this.

Everytime the local police locks up white men and women for simply complaining about LGBT indoctrination in schools it creates thousands of people starting to look at dissident ideas with fresh eyes. I'm sure you say that white pill thread posted yesterday. That talks about some of these things going on. It's just hard to speak in more concrete terms about these things because we have to keep op sec at a high level. Doxxing is just going to get worse and worse as the system crumbles.

The US government would however declare them terrorists and send the cops and national guard to round them up.

They are already prepping to do this and we are seeing some standoffs already. Look into the Bundy rancher situation. I think they are going to be actively standing down in many cases though because they like to 'control' these situations so they can create a false flag media incident. You don't here about the stand down incidents because they don't get publicized but they are occurring.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/11/standoff-ends-peacefully-with-instagramer-whiskey_warrior_556/

*partially blocked. National Justice Party is a real party with a real platform.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and that will include some white people.

A shitload of them. Modern civilization depends on industrial food production. Most people don't have enough land to sustain themselves and their families even if they knew how.

From seed to harvest you're looking at at least 3 months afaik, so people would need supplies or survival skills good enough to last them that time also.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

into already collapsing liberal US cities

That's not where they'll put them, they'll be moved, at taxpayer expense, into the Whitest communities they can find.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think they will try to do that and that's why some type of proto balkanization needs to take place where local mayors and if possible governors resist these forced diversity laws. Most immigrants want to go to liberal cities where they get handout not rural areas with no support and no family.

[–]CircumsteinRabbi Circumstein 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is no rainbow that is black, brown and White.

Despite South Africa's ridiculous claims to be 'post-racial' (implying that race is a 'problem' that has been 'traversed'), its politics resemble that of any other African country. Many of the tribes have their own implicit or explicit parties (e.g. ANC is predominantly Xhosa-dominated, IFP is practically a Zulu party, Malema comes from a minority tribe called the Pedi) and the non-black minority groups practically uniformly vote for the liberal opposition (i.e. the identity of being against the greater 'identity politics' of the black factions).

The ANC realized that "Zanuification" (land reform, etc.) a la Zimbabwe wouldn't work out, and so came to agreement with people like the Oppenheimers shortly before coming to power. The Oppenheimers wanted Apartheid gone because the sanctions put on South Africa were 'bad for business' (note that the Oppenheimers sold out their share of De Beers in 2011 anyway, implying that black-run SA is just as or even worse for business). Either way, the ANC's refusal to meddle deeply in the economy has help kept the country from falling into outright chaos since 1994.

The cause of the recent chimpouts is the jailing for corruption of former President Jacob Zuma (a Zulu). Basically, the Zulus have always been in conflict with the other tribes (hence why they were also fighting against the ANC in the 1980s and 1990s, have their own monarch, and are somewhat autonomous from the rest of the country), and are losing the tribal war to an alliance of other tribes like the Venda (Ramaphosa's group) and the Xhosa.

I don't think this affects Whites in any way, since the unrest is confined to heavily black areas (especially in the Zulu region where Zuma has the most support, and where the attacks on Zuma are probably interpreted as attacks on the Zulu in general). However, if the SANDF is deployed in Zululand to quell the riots it will seriously look like a hostile military occupation to the Zulu, and will probably lead to a further escalation of tensions. The late Zulu King was certainly no fan of the ANC, and on at least one occasion in late 2015 made a statement to the effect that black-run South Africa is worse than the Apartheid era.

The National Party, he said, had built a powerful government with the strongest economy and army on the continent, but then came “this so-called democracy” in which black people started destroying the gains of the past.

The king said history would judge black people harshly as they had failed to build on the successes of the Afrikaner regime.

He said black people “loved to use matches” to burn down infrastructure built during apartheid.

The king said the apartheid regime had built a mighty army. He said the South African currency and economy “surprisingly shot up” under the National Party regime.

“The economy that we are now burning down. You do not want to build on what you had inherited. You are going to find yourselves on the wrong side of history.”

“You don’t want to use them (buildings), you say this is apartheid infrastructure. Your leaders are occupying buildings where apartheid laws were made to oppress you,” the king said.

Despite the National Party’s having created anti-black laws, he was happy that it had treated him with respect.

“The Afrikaners respected me. I don’t know how it happened that the Afrikaners respect me so much.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20210319081647/https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/king-praises-apartheid-regime-1956136

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the informative post.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are all these different tribe considered Bantu speaking? And which tribe is the core of the bantu genetic line?

Also a partially related. I'm having a debate with a liberal friend who says the bantu were in south africa first and the Boer and English came there and kicked them off the land. That can't be true. My understanding is that the cape wasn't occupied at all except for some small group of Koisan to the north? And even the natal was only occupied by Bantu well after the Boer and British had been living there a while. Aren't the Bantu native to central africa? Do you have a good source that can help me and my friend understand this history better?

I also appreciate your informative post!

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the white South Africans won't be able to flee to Europe and other white countries and will remain trapped, I really hope they will be able to secede from South Africa and form a separate white country. Secession and the formation of an independent white South African country should've been the primary goal from the get-go as soon as Apartheid started, but sadly the greedy corporations were too powerful and ensured they got to keep using cheap labor from the Bantustans and the black migrants they imported from north of South Africa, at the expense of the separatist white South Africans.

[–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Not a single source to substantiate anything he said. I doubt anything will happen.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/looting-arson-before-hearing-safricas-former-leader-zuma-2021-07-12/

They are chimping out though

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bonus footage

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    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They are fighting over who is in charge.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They are getting violent.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The sooner that country collapses, the better.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Check out this WWZ style Arial shot of the chaos.

    https://files.catbox.moe/thtvne.webm

    [–]Fonched 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Speaking of all the drama going on there, I have some questions from a different perspective. Some will say this crisis comes from continued decolonization turmoil, and that the black middle-class and leaders like Zuma (who the protests are currently happening over) are struggling as part of their colonial upbringings and what they need to do to be fully independent.

    Barring what is happening right now though, I have a few similar questions about what's going on in South Africa. For instance, there is a point about how White South Africans still have the most wealth and power in 2021. Violence-wise, there are claims about how the murder rate have been going down since the fall of Apartheid (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1560945880462.png); most of these incidents have not been racially-motivated and part of a crime wave across Africa.

    What is the truth to all this, especially in relation to the current riots?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Assuming there are any left there.

    Cape secession should happen IMO.

    [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I heard something about Africans practically lining up and shooting at one another 18th/19th century style, don't know how true that is but made me lol anyway