How come [modern] Egypt isn't more relevant?

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

Egypt has a population of 100 million, is geographically situated between 3 resource rich continents with control of the Suez Canal, has 5000+ year old culture including being the original Kangz, and has even went to war with Israel and the Jews many times and succeeded in conquering territory from them as late as 1973. Yet despite all these achievements, why isn't Egypt treated as a superpower?

I don't think it can be IQ or Islam, because plenty of other Semite countries are also rich or have influence. So what is Egypt doing wrong?

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[–]NeoRail 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

5000+ year old culture

Modern Egypt has nothing to do with Ancient Egypt.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ancient Egyptian DNA is closer related to contemporary European DNA than contemporary Egyptian DNA. We wuz kangz!!!

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't speak for earlier Egyptian history, but since Alexander's conquests Egypt spent a very long time as a Greco-Roman state.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

How tf is it a superpower they're literally about to get btfo by literal negros over water rights. They're overpopulated and hardly have the natural resources nor the political stability to sustain them. When Ethiopia cuts off their water 30 million Egyptians will flood out and the resulting crisis will either make Europe die forever or go full fash.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

the resulting crisis will either make Europe die forever or go full fash.

Let's go!

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why exactly is that plan not making more of a outrage, not just from the mass migration that could result but also due to the humanitarian impact? Isn't this issue something the modern left should be all over, why would they want a nation of 100 million people suffering?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the ones doing it are darker, and they want Europe flooded. The modern left is mostly just anti-white hatred and nothing else.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both Egypt and Ethiopia are pretty obscure in the modern context, no one knows enough about them to be outraged.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To be fair, if Italy lost to them so can Egypt.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This migrant crisis is gonna be something the only reason Egypt isn't fucked is the Tigray war keeping the dam project on hold

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Is 100 million really overpopulated when India and China have a billion people respectively?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well India and China have way more arable land than Egypt does

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

India and China always had a massive population.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

what is Egypt doing wrong?

I don't think it can be IQ or Islam

Why? Also mostly desert + no oil + not allowed to be part of broader islamic empire b/c Israel. It's been less than 100 years since the Ottoman Empire was a thing, just seems to be what arabs do naturally

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Egypt actually formed their own pan-Islamic state that went to war with Israel, so that sounds like a direct contradiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How is that a direct contradiction? It's more like a direct confirmation of what I'm saying

Arabs basically tried to form a new islamic empire and remove Israel (culminating in the six-day war) but the US intervened and this psuedo-empire collapsed

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

....and they launched another war and Egypt ended up capturing more territory and forcing Israel into a peace agreement. So in theory, Egypt was actually more powerful when they broke from the union.

By the way, why just bring up the U.S? You know the USSR was also heavily involved in the Middle East and they were against Israel?

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

and they launched another war and Egypt ended up capturing more territory and forcing Israel into a peace agreement.

Pretty sure you're just wrong. There weren't any further major conflicts with Israel and they ended up signing the Camp David Accords in 1978 (returning the Sinai to Egypt) and haven't been to war since

why just bring up the U.S

Because US aid and intervention was critical to saving Israel. So the closest Arabs ever came to defeating Israel was when they combined forces, and Egypt realized afterwards they couldn't defeat Israel while they had US support. In other words, they bent the knee to ZOG and international Jewry and that's a big reason why they aren't relevant

You know the USSR was also heavily involved in the Middle East and they were against Israel

Who cares?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Pretty sure you're just wrong. There weren't any further major conflicts with Israel and they ended up signing the Camp David Accords in 1978 (returning the Sinai to Egypt) and haven't been to war since

Israel returning the Sinai to Egypt is an acknowledgment they lost dude. Remember that Israel still occupies the West Bank & the Golan Heights (from previous wars) to this day. I also recall the Arabs retaliated and even stopped shipping oil to the U.S for supporting them. They didn't just roll over the moment the U.S tried to step in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Because US aid and intervention was critical to saving Israel. So the closest Arabs ever came to defeating Israel was when they combined forces, and Egypt realized afterwards they couldn't defeat Israel while they had US support. In other words, they bent the knee to ZOG and international Jewry and that's a big reason why they aren't relevant

That doesn't make any sense. The U.S never even threaten to put their own soldiers and go to war for Israel, like how they entered Vietnam after France lost control of their colony.

Who cares?

Because they were supplying the Arabs with aid as well? It was also the Cold War and they acted as direct counter to the U.S having hegemony over world politics.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Israel returning the Sinai is an acknowledgment they lost dude.

Wtf are you even saying. Yom Kippur was the last war Egypt and Israel fought. Israel (+US/ZOG) won. Sinai was returned to Egypt 5 years later in exchange for normalized relations and a peace treaty with Israel. What this even has to do with your point anymore I dont know but in any case you are wrong about Egypt fighting another war with Israel alone and somehow getting the Sinai from that

That doesn't make any sense. The U.S never even threaten to put their own soldiers and go to war for Israel

Dude, how long have you been here? Practically everything the US does in the middle east is at the behest of Israel and their security. Just because the US won't commit to troops on the ground in this one instance doesn't change this, they didn't have to. They just replaced all of Israel's lost materiel and lobbied internationally on their behalf. Who was Secretary of State and Sec of Defense at the time of YK? Jews Kissinger and Schlesinger. Who are holding these cabinet positions today? Who was leading the office of special plans that falsely claimed Iraq had nuclear weapons? Oh it was Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz - both Jews! Oy gevalt!

The list goes on. Do you really think this is all one big cohencidence?

Because they were supplying the Arabs with aid as well? It was also the Cold War and they acted as direct counter to the U.S having hegemony over world politics.

Well, "yes"- but just because the Soviets were willing to opportunistically play wargames with the US does nothing to invalidate the fact the US is Israel's lapdog, or that Egypt has been effectively geopolitically neutralized by US involvement and continued war materiel support to Israel

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wtf are you even saying. Yom Kippur was the last war Egypt and Israel fought. Israel (+US/ZOG) won. Sinai was returned to Egypt 5 years later in exchange for normalized relations and a peace treaty with Israel. What this even has to do with your point anymore I dont know but in any case you are wrong about Egypt fighting another war with Israel alone and somehow getting the Sinai from that

No, Yom Kippur IS the war I'm talking about that Israel came the closest to defeat and had to offer the Sinai back in exchange for peace. Israel invaded their neighbors in 1967 and took several territories with them. How do you think they got the Sinai in the first place?

Dude, how long have you been here? Practically everything the US does in the middle east is at the behest of Israel and their security. Just because the US won't commit to troops on the ground in this one instance doesn't change this, they didn't have to. They just replaced all of Israel's lost materiel and lobbied internationally on their behalf. Who was Secretary of State and Sec of Defense at the time of YK? Jews Kissinger and Schlesinger. Who are holding these cabinet positions today JPG ? Who was leading the office of special plans that falsely claimed Iraq had nuclear weapons? Oh it was Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz - both Jews! Oy gevalt! The list goes on. Do you really think this is all one big cohencidence?

Who cares about these guys? They weren't fighting a war that lead to Israel completely pulling out from territory they took from Egypt...

Well, "yes"- but just because the Soviets were willing to opportunistically play wargames with the US does nothing to invalidate the fact the US is Israel's lapdog, or that Egypt has been effectively geopolitically neutralized by US involvement and continued war materiel support to Israel

You're treating U.S involment as some kind of confirmed victory, but that wasn't true when they invaded Cuba. Or Vietnam. Both governments that had the support of the Soviets. Similarly, there's no reason why Egypt had to give a damn if America got involved or not. Then the Soviets would have responded as well since they were their allies.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, Yom Kippur IS the war I'm talking about

Oh I see now - because the UAR didn't exist de jure during Yom Kippur, you're trying to say that the tendency of Arabs to block up into empire isn't true/a strength, because Egypt got a better deal after YK and not the Six-Day War

The main problems with this are 1) Syria had already withdrawn from the UAR by the time the Six-day-war happened 2) Syria and Egypt (and Jordan and others) did fight together during SDW and YK, even if they weren't the same countries. Arabs are obviously stronger together than they are apart (like anyone else) and just because the UAR failed politically doesn't mean they won't work together and the rule isn't generally true - you have thousands of years of Arab history under the Umayyad/Abassid/Ottomon empires to contend with. This is all just so tangential to the main point anyways Egypt is geopolitically neutralized by ZOG. Arab empires are prevented from happening primarily b/c they would be bad for israel

Who cares about these guys? 

Yeah who cares why the US is constantly involved in trillion dollar wars and gayops on the other side of the world

You're treating U.S involment as some kind of confirmed victory

They did win because of this. Or at least stalemated. Again, Israel traded the relatively worthless Sinai for the first peace treaty with an Arab country and diplomatic recognition. That's not an L.

Inb4 Suez

Then the Soviets would have responded as well since they were their allies.

They can't/wouldnt rely on that now. Soviets are gone and Israel is entrenched as a real country w/ US support

Every war is different. Bottom line is, the reasons why Egypt isn't more relevant are 1) Islam, 2) IQ 3) mostly a shit desert and 4) not allowed to be part of an Arab Empire (like they normally would be) because ZOG/Israel

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They did win because of this. Or at least stalemated. Again, Israel traded the relatively worthless Sinai for the first peace treaty with an Arab country and diplomatic recognition. That's not an L.

The Sinai is bigger than the territory they occupy from Syria and Palestine. They were even in the process of moving Israelis into the area to started colonizing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamit

Calling the loss of Sinai "worthless" is a huge stretch or that Israel didn't come out the loser from the war.

Yeah who cares why the US is constantly involved in trillion dollar wars and gayops on the other side of the world

They didn't win so their involvement meant nothing.

They can't/wouldnt rely on that now. Soviets are gone and Israel is entrenched as a real country w/ US support

They got back their territory and Israel never tried invading them, so calling in the Soviets was not necessary. Still doesn't explain why Egypt couldn't have remained more relevant in the region.