Creating an all new White state is more realistic than ending immigration or deportations.

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This plan stands on some very generous assumptions. Namely that any countries would even allow people buy up part of their territories and let it secede. And whether we would be able to afford it, however it would cost. And who did you mean by "you"? People on this sub or white nationalists in general? Because I doubt we would have enough money for such project.

I never said the plan was going to be cheap. It's obviously going to cost money. But that's true of any investment.

Although keep in mind, the point is to bring whites from all over the world and form a new stronghold. So it's a collaborative effort.

I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow but it will be a reality in a few decades whether we like it or not. Liberals and conservatives hate each other already and nothing suggests this will change any time soon. It's only matter of time when people in both camps realize that partition is the best solution for everyone. As for right now, 29% of people support the idea of US breaking up. Maybe it will be sooner than few decades. Who knows?

Any hatred can be chalked up to WWE level acting. We see this all the time with swing states. The same people who voted for Trump had also voted for Obama before. Unless they're going to point a knife at themselves, the Left & Right will learn to get along like they have for years now.

You seem to be weirdly obsessed with capitalism and corporations. Perhaps you should change your name to "radicalleftist". It would be more fitting in light of all your posts really.

I use Capitalism as a tool to explain WHY we see such behavior going on. Money controls politics, not the other way around. The first casualty that comes with splitting the U.S are businesses who operate in many states. They're not going to be happy when half their clients are cut off, or their headquarters operates in territory that is directly hostile to them. Unless you want people to go starving, it's just not realistic to see many companies fold or have their source of income decimated because people think race is more important.

Edit: And with the current Covid pandemic, endangering small businesses is going to bring a lot of financial ruin to these divided nations.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I never said the plan was going to be cheap. It's obviously going to cost money. But that's true of any investment.

And that's in most favorable conditions. the most likely situation is that no country on earth would sell their lands to bunch of foreigners and let them create their own nation there.

Unless they're going to point a knife at themselves, the Left & Right will learn to get along like they have for years now.

Situation is different now than it has been in past years. Now you have people from both political sides openly saying they hate the other party [1] [2].

They're not going to be happy when half their clients are cut off, or their headquarters operates in territory that is directly hostile to them. Unless you want people to go starving, it's just not realistic to see many companies fold or have their source of income decimated because people think race is more important.

Clients? I think you meant customers and they wouldn't be "cut off". They would be in the same position as people in Europe, Canada and any other nation where people buy their product. Nobody would starve and their income wouldn't be decimated either.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that's in most favorable conditions. the most likely situation is that no country on earth would sell their lands to bunch of foreigners and let them create their own nation there.

Gotta make a start somewhere. Even if outright buying a country is a distant target, winning over politics with an increasing population of white immigrants is the second best option.

Situation is different now than it has been in past years. Now you have people from both political sides openly saying they hate the other party [1] [2].

Last week, a Democratic Congresswoman organized a fundraiser for Texas when the Republican Senator tried to sneak out during a natural emergency and fly to Mexico (heh). Don't let the hatred distract from how the U.S is actually run. Even during the Trump years, Republicans bragged about passing bipartisan bills such as prison reform. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/21/trump-prison-reform-first-step-act-signed-law

Clients? I think you meant customers and they wouldn't be "cut off". They would be in the same position as people in Europe, Canada and any other nation where people buy their product. Nobody would starve and their income wouldn't be decimated either.

I'm going to have disagree with you because partitioning off vital resources or infrastructure has always lead to bad blood between competing nations. It might be an extreme example, but you can see the amount of violence that splitting a holy city like Jerusalem has done for Israel & Palestine. Now imagine repeating this for ALL major cities in the U.S. Who gets the capital (Washington D.C)? Who gets New York? Who gets the oil fields in Texas or the Nuclear submarines? And that's before we start talking about splitting the major industries up who have offices and branches spread throughout the country.

[–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I use Capitalism as a tool to explain WHY we see such behavior going on. Money controls politics, not the other way around. The first casualty that comes with splitting the U.S are businesses who operate in many states. They're not going to be happy when half their clients are cut off, or their headquarters operates in territory that is directly hostile to them.

This is why balkanization of the US wont happen until the system collapses under the weight of its own debt and increasing societal and economic dysfunction, but once it does balkanization is probably the most likely outcome barring a bloody psychopathic totalitarian state ruled over by a corrupt ruthless elite, which the Jewish elite will almost certainly push for. In fact they are slowly trying to set up such a state now.

Right now they still have carrots to dangle in addition to sticks to punish, but once the system collapses and the US becomes a full fledged failed state, they will have only the stick.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If the U.S collapses, I honestly don't believe anyone will want to live there. It will unironically look like the next Syria, with foreign governments sponsoring local militia groups to take control of strategic territory. The complete loss of civility will push millions of people into becoming refugees and seeking out more safer land.

But this is all a fever dream. Plenty of countries cannot afford to let the USA die, since it will throw the entire world into chaos.

Makes for great fan fiction though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beYDa8B82tA

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Plenty of countries cannot afford to let the USA die, since it will throw the entire world into chaos.

Yes it would, and because of globalism its collapse will bring the whole globalist system down. That doesnt mean those countries would be able to do anything to prevent this collapse. Europe is being destroyed in the same way the US is. It will be more resistant to collapse because it retains more ethnic homogeneity and less Jewish influence, but it wont be able to save the US.

You dont think the US can collapse, but yet relatively small scale disasters like Hurricane Katrina or even a cold snap in Texas show just how fragile our society and crumbling infrastructure has become, to say nothing of the mass riots that gripped the nation for almost a year because of fake news and a little jewish oligarch astroturfing. US society is a powderkeg and the Jewish elite are just making it worse every day.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes it would, and because of globalism its collapse will bring the whole globalist system down. That doesnt mean those countries would be able to do anything to prevent this collapse. Europe is being destroyed in the same way the US is. It will be more resistant to collapse because it retains more ethnic homogeneity and less Jewish influence, but it wont be able to save the US.

If America dies, it's going to take down a lot of nations with it. Sorry, there's just no escaping that scenario with how interconnected the world is now. Just recall how parts of Eastern Europe are still feeling the effects of the Soviet Union collapsing and even the many future wars it influenced. The death of America will be 100x worse than this.

You dont think the US can collapse, but yet relatively small scale disasters like Hurricane Katrina or even a cold snap in Texas show just how fragile our society and crumbling infrastructure has become, to say nothing of the mass riots that gripped the nation for almost a year because of fake news and a little jewish oligarch astroturfing. US society is a powderkeg and the Jewish elite are just making it worse every day.

The only time the U.S collapsed was through a Civil War. And even then, the Union or 'North' still controlled all the important industrial sectors, whereas the Southern parts only had cotton and agriculture as a stick to wag with. Hurricanes and cold snaps are child's play in comparison to this.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

US society in 1860 bears zero resemblance to today, and it never collapsed, you just had two opposing sides that fought a war. It was also an ethnically homogenous and highly religious anglo protestant nation. It's leaders were of the same stock as its poor. I dont even know why you bring it up.

What point are you trying to make exactly? I understand a collapse would be horrible. That in and of itself has zero bearing on whether a collapse happens. The US economy collapsed almost overnight in 1929, and we are in an even more precarious position today. Not just economically, but socially and ethnically. We werent the cauldron of competing and divided tribes we are today, nor were we ruled over by a corrupt hostile ethno religious group that has zero history of successfully running a nation. All the indications are that the US would see a total breakdown of social order when things get bad, and the conditions for things getting bad are all in place, its only a matter of time.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

US society in 1860 bears zero resemblance to today, and it never collapsed, you just had two opposing sides that fought a war. It was also an ethnically homogenous and highly religious anglo protestant nation. It's leaders were of the same stock as its poor. I dont even know why you bring it up. What point are you trying to make exactly? I understand a collapse would be horrible. That in and of itself has zero bearing on whether a collapse happens. The US economy collapsed almost overnight in 1929, and we are in an even more precarious position today. Not just economically, but socially and ethnically. We werent the cauldron of competing and divided tribes we are today, nor were we ruled over by a corrupt hostile ethno religious group that has zero history of successfully running a nation. All the indications are that the US would see a total breakdown of social order when things get bad, and the conditions for things getting bad are all in place, its only a matter of time.

You know, I've read these comments all the time about how the U.S is somehow becoming a terrible place to live or that ethnic tensions are rising, yet immigration to America remains at an all time high but violent crime has dropped significantly. That's not the sign of a nation that is suppose to collapse. You even mentioned that the U.S Civil War was brought about two ethnically homogenous and religious sides killing each other. Well, the USA today has even more races and religions compared to 1860, but there hasn't been an apocalyptic race war that by all means, should have happened already.

It's not to anyone's major benefit to let the USA be allowed to destroy itself. Both immigrants, Western allies and corporations alike understand this system, and will do everything to make sure it stays in place.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You know, I've read these comments all the time about how the U.S is somehow becoming a terrible place to live or that ethnic tensions are rising, yet immigration to America remains at an all time high but violent crime has dropped significantly.

We no shit immigration to America still remains high, because were getting the poorest and least successful people of the world who come from even worse poverty, and they know they will be let in and allowed to stay now. It's all relative. White nations have avoided those levels of dysfunction, but our Jewish elite are replacing whites, so its reasonable to assume the nation will look increasingly like the nations those people came from as they are brought here en masse. It hasnt happened yet because there are still huge numbers of whites here to keep the flame of successful European civilization alive in North America, but that will become increasingly difficult as whites become a minority.

Well, the USA today has even more races and religions compared to 1860, but there hasn't been an apocalyptic race war that by all means, should have happened already.

We saw nationwide race riots in 2020 for months on end, something the nation has never seen before. I guess you missed that? Why do you think an "apocalyptic" all out race war should have happened already? It takes two sides to fight a war, and so far all whites have done is fall all over themselves apologizing and giving the other side more shit to appease them as their hatred, attacks, and demands are only increasing thanks to a Jewish media that continuously incites hatred of whites. They seem intent on creating this race war, for reasons that would take many more paragraphs to explain.

It's not to anyone's major benefit to let the USA be allowed to destroy itself. Both immigrants, Western allies and corporations alike understand this system, and will do everything to make sure it stays in place.

Again, your faith in Jewish competence and benevolence has no basis in reality or history. Immigrants are just their tools of demographic warfare. Western Allies are powerless to stop the US decline into failed state and are increasingly facing similar problems at home as mass immigration continues there. As for corporations, I already addressed this a couple times, I am not going to address it again. I get it. In Disney, Goldman Sachs and Amazon you trust. Good luck with that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We no shit immigration to America still remains high, because were getting the poorest and least successful people of the world who come from even worse poverty, and they know they will be let in and allowed to stay now. It's all relative. White nations have avoided those levels of dysfunction, but our Jewish elite are replacing whites, so its reasonable to assume the nation will look increasingly like the nations those people came from as they are brought here en masse. It hasnt happened yet because there are still huge numbers of whites here to keep the flame of successful European civilization alive in North America, but that will become increasingly difficult as whites become a minority.

I'm not a fan of the super Liberal states (or well, Liberalism in general) but California or New York have minority white populations and they still haven't collapsed or look like Somalia. The mistake you are making is ignoring the different history that exists in these third world countries compared to the U.S.

We saw nationwide race riots in 2020 for months on end, something the nation has never seen before.

Incorrect. The worst of the race riots was right after reconstruction, or from 1860 ~ 1920. It was called the Nadir and it even lead to local law enforcement participating in the chaos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_of_American_race_relations

By the way, there have also been polls conducted that show most Americans support Black Lives Matter. So I don't expect any race war or riots to last, since Americans are shown to sympathize for the cause.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/06/12/amid-protests-majorities-across-racial-and-ethnic-groups-express-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Again, your faith in Jewish competence and benevolence has no basis in reality or history. Immigrants are just their tools of demographic warfare. Western Allies are powerless to stop the US decline into failed state and are increasingly facing similar problems at home as mass immigration continues there. As for corporations, I already addressed this a couple times, I am not going to address it again. I get it. In Disney, Goldman Sachs and Amazon you trust. Good luck with that.

It's not that I have "faith", it's just how the modern world now works. The Cold War was basically proof or a major experiment at which two competing ideologies will rule the world. The Soviets or "anti-capitalists" eventually crumbled, leaving behind the USA as the last great superpower. Now, maybe America could fall in the future. Maybe it wont. It's just that if it were to happen, we can expect practically every nation who have direct economic ties with America to also feel a shock. Nobody who values having a roof over their head will want to see their U.S ally go the way of the Soviets. We have no other choice in this matter, unless you do leave America/Western civilization and live in another nation that is completely independent of them.