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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

The White race has recovered numerous times in history from economic difficulties,what we cannot recover from is irreversible demographic change.It is our job as a movement to convince Whites to sacrifice materialism for values far greater.And no Whites in general did not vote for immigration and diversity. The Hart Cellar act was passed under premise it wouldn't significantly alter demographics, at the time according to polls only 7 percent wanted increased immigration and a much larger number wanted a reduction in immigration.

Speaking of Canada, Justin Trudeau literally ran on a platform calling for the end of a "national" Canadian state and basically embraced the idea he wanted to make the country completely multicultural. He won such election twice, even when there was an explicit anti-immigration party running a few years ago that barely cracked more than 2% of the federal vote. There's no need to focus on Hart-Celler anymore, once the immigration flood gates was opened, White people didn't run another major politician who wanted to stop it, or he never received enough votes to make a difference.

In the 90s there was a referendum in California over granted services to illegal immigrants, the majority voted against in the referendum until a jewish judge overturned the referendum. Look at the UK and the recent Hong Kong horde decision introduced by jew dominic raab, Brits were given no say on this,

This only proves my point. The issue just isn't serious enough otherwise, we should see massive protest in response. Remember the 2003 Iraq War? Technically, George Bush didn't run on a "bomb foreign countries" platform, yet once he did pass such an order, there where protests all over the world calling for the USA to leave. If a bunch of Hong Kongers were known to come to Britain, yet native Brits aren't forming human chains around airports trying to stop them, then it sounds like they may have other issues on their mind. I could use the same example for Australia.

And it is our job to mobilize them,identify the enemies,look long term and act to defend themselves and their children.

George Lincoln Rockwell did this. And so did Enoch Powell. Keep in mind, these men literally existed when their countries where 80% white or more, and yet they still lost to more popular candidates who wanted to end segregation or import immigrants from the colonies.

Again, I have to differ from the Alt-right's belief that White people were always kept in the dark on demographic change or that they're too clueless on their own. You only have to look at the platforms of the two leading parties to see what is their stance on diversity. White nationalism never registers. Alternate parties do exist but like in my Canada example, they barely paved a dent against Trudeau being re-elected twice.

You eventually have to look at the science and understand that these nations now have cultures or social expectations in place that aren't going to deport millions of people or take away their citizenships by force. Especially when minority non-white groups are already on pace to become the next majority, killing any chances of them voting to remove themselves from Canada or the U.S.

[–]Nasser 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Canada is a country that was basically founded as an extension of Britain, it has no definitive or unique culture.Canada is also entrenched within the US neoliberal sphere of influence. And also any political party that wants to rise needs funding and a media awareness.Alot of Nationalists parties outside of Europe lack this. Canadians also never had much of an idea of the impact of multiculturalism besides Asian migrants which are alot more easy to work with.

In general Whites are kept in the dark about demographic change through media for example which directed our attention to other issues for example the war against communism or terrorism. Congress was lied to/ignorant over what the impact of HC would be.And this impact wasn't felt until really now when Whites dropped below 60 percent of the population.Most American's probably don't know what the act even is, that is our job to inform and motivate them.Another factor is the post WW2 economic complacency.

The UK Hong Kong bill like I said the media was silent on this with only the rare article whenever it was passed.Brits are also again misdirected with the coronavirus lockdown and the impact.

If you're trying to manipulate me into giving up,trust me you are not succeeding.I will never give in.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Canada is a country that was basically founded as an extension of Britain, it has no definitive or unique culture.Canada is also entrenched within the US neoliberal sphere of influence. And also any political party that wants to rise needs funding and a media awareness.Alot of Nationalists parties outside of Europe lack this. Canadians also never had much of an idea of the impact of multiculturalism besides Asian migrants which are alot more easy to work with.

Canadians never had an idea of multiculturalism? Uh, they literally moved onto land where Native Indians already existed, and they passed laws that put a tax on Chinese people from moving there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_head_tax_in_Canada By the way, it was a Conservative Prime Minister [not Liberal] CONSERVATIVE, who demanded Canada apologize for discriminating against Chinese immigrants. Once again, both Left & Right, are motivated by diversity. White Canadians still felt motivated to vote for Harper after he made those comments.

In general Whites are kept in the dark about demographic change through media for example which directed our attention to other issues for example the war against communism or terrorism.

If you're White, you have eyes. If you're White, you can go visit the airport right now and see who is getting off airplanes and entering the country. The government never censored this. To be fair, there could be whites who live far away in the rural areas and don't come into contact with other groups. But in Canada's case, most of the population does live in the urban areas of Toronto or Vancouver. So it's impossible to hide this change from then.

.And this impact wasn't felt until really now when Whites dropped below 60 percent of the population.

The impact was always there. Again, the perfect example are cities. Non-whites were allowed to move into these areas and start running for politics or take on local jobs. Where was the protests, especially after these cities became very multicultural?

Most American's probably don't know what the act even is, that is our job to inform and motivate them.Another factor is the post WW2 economic complacency.

The Act no longer matters because the majority of politicians today have their own pro-immigration platform to stand by. Again, look at Joe Biden. He criticized Trump over his Border Camps, yet you're going to believe Whites were kept in the dark about this when Biden was speaking on national TV? In fact, go on youtube and the Biden/Trump debate has over 20 million views. White people never saw this?

If you're trying to manipulate me into giving up,trust me you are not succeeding.I will never give in.

You don't have to give up on the idea of preserving a white majority. I only question why nationalists think it's going to work in countries where mass immigration is basically the status quo? There's just no way Canada or the U.S will elect a dictator who is going to deport 50% of the non-white population when both Conservative & Liberal Whites are in favor of having more immigrants.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Largely not, European Canadians in general were the total majority in the country for most of it's history, even now their at 70 percent of the population. There are other reason why they would have voted for him, for example his economic policy, left wing media and altruistic education.Canada is once again in the US sphere of influence, European identitarianism is not just "there", it has to be activated,that's the job of the dissident right, we are acting against those who suppress it.

I'm willing to bet most European Canadians live among their own people, even in cities.

Your argument is basically just why didn't Europeans immediately act on these things at the times but you ignore the other factors that influence people.

Russians in 1914 probably didn't expect the communists either.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Largely not, European Canadians in general were the total majority in the country for most of it's history, even now their at 70 percent of the population. There are other reason why they would have voted for him, for example his economic policy, left wing media and altruistic education.

Voting for the Conservatives/NDP/People's Party carry the exact same reasons. Oddly enough, you seem to ignore that other minority groups have been able to vote for single issue politicians. Muslim Canadians for example, almost never vote Conservative. Despite their religion being anti-LGBT or anti-feminism, they still rather have Trudeau in power. For White people, there is no excuse. If they dislike Diversity, they could easily vote for any party that aims to decrease immigration but also believes in free healthcare or banning guns.

European identitarianism is not just "there", it has to be activated,that's the job of the dissident right, we are acting against those who suppress it.

I have a question for you. Can you show me anytime in the last 20 years when Europeans were "activated" and they put an Alt-Right [note, not Conservative] Person in power? Again, the pervasive ideas that Whites don't know anything about diversity (even though they work for companies that try and employ more non-white people, or they do mandatory "diversity training") is utterly naïve. If something was going horribly wrong where White people just couldn't stand the idea of becoming minorities anymore, than why are they not protesting everytime a non-white mayor is elected in their town? Or a non-white person comes to their company and even becomes CEO? Or like I said in the beginning, non-white just got off the airplanes at the airport?

Your argument is basically just why didn't Europeans immediately act on these things at the times but you ignore the other factors that influence people.

These factors don't contradict that White people should be able to express their discontent for diversity while also focusing on other issues like the economy or terrorism. When George Bush invaded Iraq, Democrats didn't try to convince themselves "Welp, there's nothing we can do. We only care about a Health system!" They immediately protested the war and there was civil unrest to get him out of office. Meanwhile, When Obama got elected 4 years later, we didn't see a giant crowd of White people go to the inauguration and protest they were about to be ruled by a black person. Too many examples like this exist, and the answer is Whites are already "activated" but they do nothing about these issues.

Edit: But there was a massive protest against Biden that turned violent. So which one is it? White people are fine being replaced with Black Leaders but they reject White ones (i.e George Bush & Biden)?

Russians in 1914 probably didn't expect the communists either.

The Tsar and his embarrassments in losing Russia the war absolutely did predict something was going to happen to the government. The Communists winning the Civil War was a surprise, but not the actual Bolsheviks who got involved in the power vacuum.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Largely not, European Canadians in general were the total majority in the country for most of it's history, even now their at 70 percent of the population.

Source if you ever need it, table page 6 of pdf file

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/rp02_8-dr02_8/rp02_8.pdf

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll provide a reply tomorrow.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Canada should be broken up into at least 6 countries/states. Atlantic, Quebec, Southern Ontario, Prairies/East of the Rockies, Northern and Arctic from East to West, and then the Southwest of the Rockies/Vancouver/Fraser Valley.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Speaking of Canada, Justin Trudeau literally ran on a platform calling for the end of a "national" Canadian state and basically embraced the idea he wanted to make the country completely multicultural. He won such election twice, even when there was an explicit anti-immigration party running a few years ago that barely cracked more than 2% of the federal vote.

Trudeau won because he promised to legalize weed. Simple as.

You only have to look at the platforms of the two leading parties to see what is their stance on diversity. White nationalism never registers.

The purpose of the Uniparty is to keep populists out of power and to enact the will of financial elites. That doesn't mean they won't occasionally dog-whistle to more "radical" positions. White nationalism is far more popular than free market worship, and Donald Trump rode that nationalist undercurrent right into the Oval Office. And when he betrayed that initial base, he was done.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that weed came at the cost of increasing immigration I guess. Sounds like a huge oversight on the Conservative's part, if they didn't think of the idea first.

[–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'll give you a full reply to you later but I'm asking what the fuck do you want me and other nationalists to do?Just sit around like complacent normies and not put any kind of effort into fighting for our people?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'll give you a full reply to you later but I'm asking what the fuck do you want me and other nationalists to do?Just sit around like complacent normies and not put any kind of effort into fighting for our people?

No, I'm even suggesting more pragmatic ideas to preserve White people. I view the issue similar to Climate Change. People can still fight it, but scientists have been very clear about the "point of no return" in which some damage is permanent.

Canada and the U.S have past such white "tipping points" already. But for a lot of European countries, there's still plenty of time to slow the damage. Some White European countries don't even have a lot of non-white immigrants at all and thus, the majority of attention should be going towards there instead.

[–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Canada maybe but I don't think so for the US.Trump's victory in 2016 shows that White populism and anti immigration sentiment do exist within the country and can succeed with will and coordination.There are 200 million White Americans and the majority of non White populace is clustered mainly in states like California for example.It is far from over.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trump was never a White Nationalist. His 2020 polling even showed he lost more White followers compared to his first 2016 run. And you seem to ignore that 200 million White Americans don't share the exact same belief. At least half are Liberal and got Biden into power. The other half may be "civic nationalists" and oppose illegal immigration, but they're not against the millions of legal ones who still come to the U.S every year. I'm not making this stuff up. This all comes from real data sets.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The majority of Whites vote Republican.The reason there was a swing towards Biden was because of Trump's behavior,reaction to covid and in effectiveness as a leader.Civic Nationalism is better than conservatism and liberalism and is a stepping stone to identitarianism.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Civic nationalism says "as long as they come here legally, they're citizens!". Liberalism says "Blacks/Asians/Hispanics are distinct groups that are oppressed". If you ask me, Liberalism is more identarian. But regardless, neither party have white nationalism added as their platform. Voting Democrat or Republican does not guarantee any racial breakup of the United States.

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, I'm even suggesting more pragmatic ideas to preserve White people. I view the issue similar to Climate Change. People can still fight it, but scientists have been very clear about the "point of no return" in which some damage is permanent.

You have an obvious agenda. So stating we are past some point of no return is a cope on your part. You want it to be past the point of no return.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have an obvious agenda. So stating we are past some point of no return is a cope on your part. You want it to be past the point of no return.

Take a look at this city in Canada. Especially the second paragraph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond,_British_Columbia#Demographics

60% of the population were never even born in the country. The "point of no return" is a scientific term referring to situations like this where White people don't even live in the same cities they founded. Making any other conclusions is your mistake.

That doesn't mean all of Canada has to be like this or that there are no White countries without significant immigrant populations. Quite the opposite. But I am saying is be more realistic with your goals. All the urban population centers with high levels of diversity are never going to vote to remove themselves from the country. Want another example? Faith Goldy ran for Toronto mayor in 2018 with the goal of decreasing immigrants, but she only got 3.4% of the vote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Toronto_mayoral_election#Results

Again, she was not even close into making Canada some kind of White majority haven again. The political support for it is dead in the water.

[–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Rockwell ran under the Swastika which is a massive idiotic move considering just 20 years ago America was fighting that same ideology.There was significant opposition to desegregation in the US too for example George Wallace in 1968, keep in mind segregation was only really popular in the deep south.The Republicans won the majority of the elections post 1964, so much so the Democrats had to run moderate dems like Carter and Clinton to have a chance of winning.Again you have to understand the psychology and the information received by White Americans at the time that alot of other issues of the time that were focused on like communism and now terrorism.

Powell was popular and he did have influence,I believe him defecting to Labour caused the Tories to lose an election but I can't be sure.He simply failed to capitalize on his popularity an not to mention the Neoliberal American establishment was against him.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Rockwell ran under the Swastika which is a massive idiotic move considering just 20 years ago America was fighting that same ideology.

Wait, someone just told me 90% of U.S Serviceman wanted to join the Axis if segregation ended? If this was still fresh in the heads, they should have ran to Rockwell with open arms and made him President, not turn against the Swastika...

There was significant opposition to desegregation in the US too for example George Wallace in 1968, keep in mind segregation was only really popular in the deep south.

Well then, there's your problem. Unless the South was expected to carry every election, it was only a matter of time before the pro-segregationists would become a minority.

Again you have to understand the psychology and the information received by White Americans at the time that alot of other issues of the time that were focused on like communism and now terrorism.

One does not beget the other. They could have ran a politician who was against both (hence, George Rockwell).

Powell was popular and he did have influence,I believe him defecting to Labour caused the Tories to lose an election but I can't be sure.He simply failed to capitalize on his popularity an not to mention the Neoliberal American establishment was against him.

Then his failure to capitalize on this only doomed his successors since Britain has gotten less White than where it was in the 1970s.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I haven't seen a source for that statistic abut still the average American had every right to hate the swastika, considering Germany declared war on the United States and the US soldiers lost in the war.

Segregation is a thing of it's a time and only would appeal to the people who implemented it.Opposition to mass immigration and multiculturalism can appeal to White's of any region provided they are educated and made aware of it and we are there to guide them.

That was his fault then.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My refutation is mass immigration or multiculturalism already appeals to whites, the same way the newly created Civil Rights Act appealed to WW2 veterans. If they want to stop it, they could do it right now. But millions of Whites could already have non-white friends, or they eat at ethnic restaurants, or they already accepted they're not going to have children for immigration to make a difference in their lives.

[–]somewherenear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Justin Trudeau has a minority government. The vast majority of Canadians, at least the whites, do not want more immigrants.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Justin Trudeau has a minority government.

He still has the majority of seats and can easily work with other left-wing parties to pass his agenda.

The vast majority of Canadians, at least the whites, do not want more immigrants.

The only anti-immigration party in 2019 got 1.6% of the total votes. The level of disproval is clearly not working at the polls.

Ironically, the only group who actually takes it seriously are Chinese Canadians. There was an incident a while ago where they protested against refugees coming. https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/8768961-police-descend-on-fist-swinging-markham-protest-against-illegal-border-crossers-/