Critique of the alt-right and why you must accept “blackpills”

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[–]Vegethu 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Now here are my sources, enjoy:

Here is an enormous meta-analysis of 90 cross-sectional studies analyzing relationship between diversity & social cohesion. Vast majority of studies on the subject fail to prove the relationship between two variables. In fact, study finds positive relationship between inter-ethnic contact & trust in ethnically heterogeneous communities. Only contrary data shows small-scale (intra-neighborhood) trust suffers with ethnic heterogeneity in some circumstances, and even then only in America. Plurality of data does not support - and largely contradicts - assertion that diversity hurts social cohesion.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://sci-hub.tw/https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-soc-071913-043309%2523article-denial%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1595926849270000%26amp;usg%3DAOvVaw0wrWqGprzyjySQMpSr3wiJ&sa=D&ust=1595926849392000&usg=AFQjCNHsz5W7Ukdy1HgQAJGLCUhG3QmiPA

Here is a study which tested around 200 students in a trust based experiment and compared results from diverse groups and homogenous groups .Finds no statistically significant negative relationship between diversity and social cohesion. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://scholar.harvard.edu/files/laibson/files/measuring_trust.pdf%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1595926849272000%26amp;usg%3DAOvVaw1c0X9NWCvoQUs354zHEHEy&sa=D&ust=1595926849392000&usg=AFQjCNFGAnUf85EvW_yhvdv-scmTk8NF2g

Longitudinal study comparing the change in social cohesion over time in an area which experienced a large increase in diversity with a comparative control which didn’t. The two areas did not differ significantly in how their levels of social cohesion changed over time, suggesting the increased level of diversity had no statistically significant impact on social cohesion.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttp://www.fisherwilliamson.com/downloads/MPSA040508.FINAL2.pdf%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1595926849273000%26amp;usg%3DAOvVaw0LPq6BMfwKCtHdAaBqNlxF&sa=D&ust=1595926849393000&usg=AFQjCNE_WdFFh1xCoyNA03a8um1yyvltFw

Another longitudinal study analyzing changes in trust in 22 European countries between the years 2002 and 2010. Study suggests immigration often leads to decrease in social trust, but results were heavily affected by ethnic polarization & economic stability. With low polarization and a good economy, immigration was shown to actually increase social trust. Results suggest it isn’t the diversity of immigrants which lessens trust, but rather the economic and political context in which they arrive. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://sci-hub.tw/https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/93/3/1211/2332107?redirectedFrom%253Dfulltext%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1595926849274000%26amp;usg%3DAOvVaw2vUlhKJEOTj2vmqdQAhHC5&sa=D&ust=1595926849393000&usg=AFQjCNHIFDPXMHFL3Eh2vOIMbC6DSVTyVA

Extensive summary on the effects immigration has on the US economy, with sources “While some policymakers have blamed immigration for slowing U.S. wage growth since the 1970s, most academic research finds little long run effect on Americans’ wages”. “The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity”. “Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets”. “Economists generally agree that the effects of immigration on the U.S. economy are broadly positive”. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1595926849268000%26amp;usg%3DAOvVaw1AcgI0wFNZMlR4VELcmaJv&sa=D&ust=1595926849391000&usg=AFQjCNFVRJvL44FvaUke4WKWHOjqEZzPNg

National Bureau of Economic Research paper on the effects immigration has on wages in the United States Study contends previous analyses on the relationship between immigration and wages falsely assumed perfect labor substitutability between immigrants and native workers of similar education levels, distorting results Research shows average American wage RISES due to immigration, both short-term and long-term Only native demographic whose wages drop are High School dropouts who suffer a decrease in wages of approximately ~2% short-term, alleviating to ~1.1% over time. Study finds new immigration does severely impact wages of prior immigrants, suggesting lack of substitutability with *natives. Overall, vast majority of American workers’ wages increase from immigration, High School dropouts (<10% of population) experience a slight decrease which alleviates with time (and there is evidence that immigration may increase native High School graduation rates, too).

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://www.nber.org/papers/w12497.pdf%26amp;sa%3DD%26amp;ust%3D1595926849265000%26amp;usg%3DAOvVaw0XFwg6LvZEpPGVoQkGjrwa&sa=D&ust=1595926849390000&usg=AFQjCNFg_8zutE0cetWXdwIfckSOK_nnHA

[–]EuropeanAwakening 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, we know if you flood your society with low wage workers, the GDP will go up. No, 200 college students is not evidence that diversity works. Your studies show nothing that we didn't already know.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, 200 college students is not evidence that diversity works.

The most hilarious part about this is that the study showed the exact opposite. It was even cited by AltHype about how diversity destroys social cohesion.

Along with the correlational and longitudinal data already presented, the negative relationship between pro social behavior and ethnic diversity has been demonstrated experimentally. For instance, Glaeser et al (2000) had participants play an economic “game” in which one person sent another person a sum of money of their choosing. That money was then doubled money they were sent and the receiver had a chance to send some money back to the person who gave them the initial sum of money. This is a very basic measure of altruism, fairness, and trustworthiness. The researchers found that the receivers sent back far less money when they were paired with someone of another race. In fact, over 90% of the cases in which no money was sent back took place with racial diverse pairs of people.

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/ethnic-diversity-and-social-cohesion/

He copy-pasted it directly from Vaush' google doc along with all others. I doubt he even opened any of them because even in the abstract they say: "When individuals are closer socially, both trust and trustworthiness rise. Trustworthiness declines when partners are of different races or nationalities."

You can't make this shit up.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's either Vaush himself or a very devout fan of Vaush. He uses the exact same talking points as Vaush, uses the exact same disingenuous way arguing (full of pilpul, semantics games and sealioning), and even has the same "sassy black girl" overtone to some of his comments.