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Question to white nationalists here. I read some posts here and see people being concerned about white replacement, whites becoming a minority, etc. My question to you - what is your solution? Do you want to outbirth all the other races? That would require to have like 5 kids per family and would decrease quality of living, while essentially the whites still barely breaking even. Do you want Western countries to be 100% white? But then what's a guarantee it would remain that way 100,200 years from now? Immigration policies change. Wouldn't a better solution involve making sure the overall quality of life rises enough so that the demographics slow down all across the world, rather than just in the west?

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[–]sylla94 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what is your solution?

It's in the name. We want to separate and have our own nations. A nation essentially means a shared blood, soil and culture.

Do you want to outbirth all the other races?

Wouldn't be opposed to it at all but ideally out birthing other races wouldn't have to be relevant if we were separate. We do want a lot more births, though; Whites have consistently become a lower and lower percentage of the worlds population throughout the decades.

Do you want Western countries to be 100% white?

If by Western countries you mean White countries/nations then think the closer the better but ideally something like 95% or more. I'm somewhat receptive to non-Whites who are able to integrate into the society and contribute, though. Most do not, however.

What's a guarantee it would remain that way 100,200 years from now?

The people and leaders would actually want to incentivize such things via social culture and policy rather than displacing, replacing and genociding Whites like many currently do.

Immigration policies change

Demographic policy shifts are just a symptom; the underlying cause are the elites who actively engineer such things against us. For most of US history for instance, it was only White people of good character who could immigrate. White people certainly didn't want non-Whites coming in at the time, so who's at fault? The elites who actively engineer such things against us. Without them this sort of thing would never be an issue, like it was for hundreds of years.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The quality of life would rise if we fixed the demographics in the west. Basically almost all of our current problems are because of immigration and imagine how much energy western men are wasting discussing these issues? Even women are preoccupied with useless thoughts about racism and such.
Remove all of it and we can focus our energy on putting whites on the moon, building the future and so on. We're currently enslaving ourselves to help nonwhites get a better life that they can't provide for themselves and which they wouldn't give us if the situation was reversed.

If you increase the "quality of life" around the world, they will simply get MORE children and we will have to pay more and work more to sustain them. It's an ever increasing problem. When we "help" them, they multiply and we create even more poor nonwhites that want to come into the west.

We need to stop the help because evolutionarily speaking they are r-selected races. They breed like rabits when you give them food. They need to manage themselves so the help is internal.
This probably sounds rude but its the opposite. They will be better off and we will be better off. You don't ask a monkey to be a lion. We shouldn't force them to adopt our ways.

In some ways the radical leftists are right about "white supremacy" and "institutional racism" because our societies are structured to fit us evolutionarily speaking. When they come to our societies or when we force them to become "civilized", they are subjected to an environment that they weren't evolved to be fit in. They are at a disadvantage because of us.

[–]RealFerdinandFoch 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My question to you - what is your solution?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my list of political objectives for the United States on this topic is to shut down immigration (which has popular support, and it should, since almost nobody in the US except the capital class actually benefits from it) and make a real effort to both secure the border and remove illegal aliens, which is almost as popular and thanks to the response to Corona we now know is very possible. I would also consider other measures like encouraging other groups to emigrate to their countries of origin, or revoking citizenship from people who got it illegitimately like as a result of birth tourism (which is pretty common but profoundly silly - imagine applying the mechanics of a tower defense game to the physical integrity of the nation) but when you look at birth rates and population trends the previous things are actually all that's necessary to make the US start getting Whiter again, although it would take many generations and there are limits to how far that will go. It took us almost 60 years to get to this point, and I am willing to wait as long to fix it if need be.

Do you want to outbirth all the other races? That would require to have like 5 kids per family and would decrease quality of living, while essentially the whites still barely breaking even.

I do support having a large family for religious and personal reasons but I'm not under any illusion that it would be enough on its own WRT demographics (though it certainly wouldn't hurt,) and I understand it's not desirable for everyone. I'm not interested politically or morally in forcing people to reproduce, or not reproduce, if that's the implicit question here.

Do you want Western countries to be 100% white?

Ideally it would be at or very close to 100%. Multiculturalism always results in conflict and resentment and minimizing it is better for everyone. Small minorities usually aren't that big of a deal though, and for the USA specifically Amerindian populations would at least have to be considered.

But then what's a guarantee it would remain that way 100,200 years from now? Immigration policies change.

So? It's still undesirable and I'd want to do our best to keep it to a minimum. The fact we might fail isn't a deterrent in this and I don't really get how people could think this is some kind of gotcha. You are right though that this adds an element of urgency, which is why I think we should be trying to get incentives to leave on the table rather than just settling for ending mass migration.

Wouldn't a better solution involve making sure the overall quality of life rises enough so that the demographics slow down all across the world, rather than just in the west?

This can happen, and in fact is already happening, but that doesn't change our situation.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is extremely easy to solve if you have power and sovereignty over your nation.

First, you need to draft a new constitution with mandates that are unassailable.

  1. The new government is designed to preserve and advance the interests of the European group it is sovereign over.

  2. All foreign immigration and naturalization is illegal. Guest workers are subject to our labor standards, anti-subversion laws and taxed more than the ethnic citizenry.

  3. The right of return requires a DNA test proving at least 80% European ethnic ancestry, phenotype that matches a typical European and cultural assimilation.

  4. Any attempt to weaken the ethnic integrity of the population through political advocacy, ideological subversion and violence will be subject to treason laws that includes prison, execution and/or exile.

  5. If the government fails to uphold these mandates, the citizenry have a duty to overthrow the government and purge the traitors from positions of power.

The type of government depends on the political climate and its citizens, but it must have mandates that cannot be infringed to make it explicitly clear that there will never be a proposition nation.

Once power is taken, all that is necessary is to put forth a whitening policy.

  1. Deport all illegal and legal immigrants, First class citizen of deportation for non-whites once they have finished their prison sentence. Start worker training programs to speed up the replacement of core industries with whites.
  2. Remove all civic voting rights of foreigners.
  3. Rollback all anti-white policies and make new laws that prioritize the well being of whites.
  4. Remove welfare for non-whites unless they are of old age.
  5. Anti-miscegenation legislation. Mixed offspring are consider foreign and can only stay if they sign an affidavit that they will not breed with the founding stock. Offer resettlement programs for mixed offspring to move to a different country.
  6. Start cracking down on subversive anti-white groups. It is probably of vital importance to deport all Jews to Israel and remove all traces of Jewish influence to prevent them from forming a counter revolution.
  7. All institutions need to be radically changed. Anti-white propaganda has to be completely purged from the culture. It means banning anti-white cultural products and replacing the positions of power filled by liberals with people that are loyal to the founding stock.
  8. Seize large multi-national corporations and nationalize important industry. This is important because you need to reign on the opposition of big capital. You can't let all the looters run and hide in another country. The sick capitalist psychopaths will want revenge and it is better if they stay working for the interests of the state or in a prison cell.
  9. Work with other countries that are seeking liberation from big capital and international Jewry. An autarchy is almost impossible for a small country and even if the United states could become an autarchy it needs military and economic allies.
  10. Prepare to dump the old currency. The bankers will probably try to threaten the nations currency to tank a countries economy. Breaking away from the large banking cartels is important.
  11. Family creation policies. Lots of family propaganda and financial and social incentives for having children.
  12. Invest in military defense, armaments and military technology because there could be a war. Jews have a genocidal hatred of Europeans and they will use their financial power and political influence to pressure occupied countries to put economic and military pressure on countries that oppose their influence. Every middle eastern country that is destabilized by the United States is a harbinger of what happens if you don't have military defenses to oppose Jewish interests.

The speed of the whitening process will probably be over a period of fifty years. When non-whites don't see themselves as welcome they will probably self-deport. If it was a fascist country that was implementing major cultural changes to combat degeneracy, most non-whites would probably want to leave from feeling suffocated by the rigid social standards.

The solution to the demographics of third world countries is eugenics and depopulation policies in those countries. If foreign aid is to be continued they must follow those policies for the sake of the environment. Eugenics could raise their IQ and depopulation policies will reduce the carbon footprint on the planet.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The USA is a white ethnostate still. It's just the federal government that has non-white citizens. You don't need to draft a new constitution. The alt-right just need to take control of the national/land jurisdiction of the USA. Blacks only reside (temporarily) on the land on the federal level.

[–]paranoid_android3 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here's what I want:

Repeal Hart-Celler and deport all illegal aliens and their children, revamp the FCC to give Whites back the right to communicate and broadcast in our own fucking country instead of being subjected to Jewish tyranny (i.e. the ADL and wealthy Jews decide everything we're allowed to hear).

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you elaborate the FCC?

[–]paranoid_android3 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you read "The White Nationalist Manifesto"? Greg Johnson sums up all of our problems and reasonable solutions well.

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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I believe birth rates in the 3rd world can be better tackled by spreading birth control and liberal ideas.

    I wouldn't wish liberalism on my worst enemy. It's borderline genocide.

    [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    As soon as white man crossed the ocean to live in subsahara, deserts, tropics, the wrong hemisphere and so on...he forfeited his cultural rights... Superior race needs harsh winters to keep its intellectual edge, ingenuity and needs its Cultural and religious institutions to be built in stone and hundreds of years old, to mean something.

    The "purity" battle was lost long time ago. Kinda started with Spaniards fucking everything that moved in South and Middle America in the 1500's

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    First of all the presumption that economic growth NECESSARILY reduces birth rates is false. Historically it's usually been the opposite of the case and the reason we wealthy Western countries have low birth rates isn't our wealth itself -- we had high birth rates in the past and we were still the wealthiest countries on Earth -- it's our culture.

    As for solutions to our problems there are many we promote. The Dissident Right focuses on self-improvement and family formation. Also having a space of our own. The fact is that if we had that space it wouldn't matter what the birth rates around the world were because they wouldn't be allowed to come into our homes.

    Do you want Western countries to be 100% white? But then what's a guarantee it would remain that way 100,200 years from now? Immigration policies change.

    The first part is unrealistic for now but ultimately we want our own space that is run by Whites for Whites.

    [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Check out a lovely byrd named Laura Towler and a speech she made to Patriotic ALternative. At least in Europe, repatriation is the only solution. First we ask, then we demand... and then... [ ]. Time for that is running out though because in the end natalism is what determines everything.

    Here in Amiland I honestly have no clue. The dnc has been playing dirty pool by stuffing the ballot boxes to make it impossible for the republicans to win a presidential election, let alone control either the senate or house. This has been happening in plainview. Quite astonishingly, the RNC, whose corruption is only superceded by its stupidity, has quietly let this happen to the point where it can probably no longer be counteracted or reversed. I submit that democratic change of government presuppoes basic preconditions. I believe it was Adams who wrote that democracy is only suitable for a moral, educated populace. Add to that a population more or less united by basic language, identity, values. All of that has been invalidated. Right now the best outcome that I see is if a successor to Trump style populism--maybe Tucker in 2024--would get the presidency and then, from resulting unrest, invoke martial law to quell insurrecetion as stipulated in the constitution. At that point, all the Pelosis, Chuck Schumers and AOCs would be removed from government. The problem is I am not sure enough in the military would back even that. In other words, we are really fucked.

    [–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    My question to you - what is your solution?

    Broadly speaking, to create regions where white people govern themselves and only themselves. Where and how large these regions are remains to be seen. Many (most?) of us would be fine partitioning the current United States into sections that are monoracial or close to it.

    Do you want to outbirth all the other races?

    As of 2018 whites in America had a total fertility rate of about 1.6 per woman. Obviously that can't be allowed to last forever, but a baby arms race among all countries would be environmentally stupid. So we're not interested in that.

    The reason the birth rate is important is not because we're being outbred, but because we're being outbred in our own homelands which threatens our long-term interests in our own homelands. We would not mind other ethnic groups reproducing more than us as long as they do it in their own homelands.

    Do you want Western countries to be 100% white?

    They need to be white enough that white people's interests are never at risk to being supplanted by nonwhites' interests. 100% would work, but even 85% or 90% might be fine depending on the details. So for a concrete policy for the present, let's return nonwhites to their homelands until race isn't a problem.

    Just so there's no confusion, we realize that there will be nonwhite tourists, businessmen, diplomats, their families, etc. in Whitopia at any given time. This is no problem because they're not staying permanently, reproducing, or directly affecting elections (i.e. voting).

    Immigration policies change.

    And, as we've seen, they can be changed in disastrously stupid ways. Right now the argument for immigration is one of "Cheap labor!" or "Diversity is our strength!". Whitopia's immigration policy would be to preserve white people, living in a society that suits them and is unquestionably under their control. So we might take in white Afrikaners whose land got expropriated by their government, but not Guatemalans.

    Wouldn't a better solution involve making sure the overall quality of life rises enough so that the demographics slow down all across the world, rather than just in the west?

    Absolutely, though there's no reason we can't do both. We're skeptical about the extent the quality of life can be raised in some parts of the world, and think it's best for each country to mind its own affairs which rules out intervention by whites in nonwhite countries.

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      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You've advocated violence against other people in multiple posts, you're banned.

      [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      "Do you want Western countries to be 100% white" We want to be super majorities in our own homelands, it is insanity that an ethnic group will become minority in it's own country. Do you think it's a good thing that Italians, French, Germans and English people will become mionorities in their own countries? I'll answer to you, that is evil and we are the only race on the planet that risks to become a minority in our own countries.

      [–]america_first_1776 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      1) Balkanize the United States. Give each race a homeland, but keep some of the US like a Brazil so the halfies have a place to live; 2) Permanently cease ALL immigration; 3) (legally) Shoot to kill anyone crossing the border illegally; 4) Once Balkanized, give government incentives to white married couples to have kids. The more white they are, the more kids they have, and the higher the IQ of the parents, the more tax breaks and gibs they get (Poland and Hungary are doing this); 5) Make abortion for whites illegal. The punishment would be 10 years for the woman, 20 years for the man if he knows and doesn't report it, and the death penalty for the doctor; 6) Appoint a Culture Czar that monitors and stops anything anti-white in the msm, social media, etc. Anyone caught advertising an anti-white agenda will receive the death penalty; 7) Allow absolutely NO Jews in the ethnostate

      Wouldn't a better solution involve making sure the overall quality of life rises enough so that the demographics slow down all across the world, rather than just in the west?

      No. The science says that demographics itself defines the overall quality of life.

      [–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No/very limited immigration. Our native homelands to outright be for us and not run by people that hate us. Birth rate arguing is a false narrative to waste time. Birth rates fall in industrialized societies. Our birth rates don't matter if we have our own homelands, in fact they would probably increase as a result of it.