Constructive dismissal (aka constructive discharge, constructive termination) - in employment law: when an employee resigns due to a hostile work environment created by the employer (ie. extraordinary and unreasonable work demands), thus not truly voluntary resignation, and in effect, a termination. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No corporation on this planet wants me on any civil jury for their case period. They are going to lose and pay out the nose no matter what.

The paradox of tolerance - if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]thefirststone 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's cited routinely to justify destroying "tolerant" avenues of communication.

Which I can only interpret as an application of "Rules for Radicals" (the actual book, not the paraphrased bullshit that gets passed around on Facebook images). They enjoy intolerance as an end unto itself, yet they enjoy calling others intolerant, and using their opponents' tolerance as power over them. It hits all the points.

The paradox of tolerance - if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" One of the 20th century's most influential philosophers of science, Popper is known for his rejection of the classical inductivist views on the scientific method in favour of empirical falsification. According to Popper, a theory in the empirical sciences can never be proven, but it can be falsified, meaning that it can (and should) be scrutinised with decisive experiments. Popper was opposed to the classical justificationist account of knowledge, which he replaced with critical rationalism, namely "the first non-justificational philosophy of criticism in the history of philosophy". " ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

6) It's unlikely that anyone cares enough to be a shill on Saidit (still want waiting for my check from Soros Gates...)

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think there's more of us left-leaning centrists here than you realize. M7 and D3 for example. Many of us don't buy into the establishment's tribalist left-right nonsense. And importantly, because we're not tribal about it we can discuss the issues freely, regardless of the what the tribes demand we believe.

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[–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Not just that he actually gets very nasty and aggressive when something really does trigger him (unlike your pic which just sparked his concern trolling).

Then spends the rest of the time acting weak as water and oh so reasonable.

It's such a shame because we could actually use some sincere left wing and centrist voices here to add to the discussion.

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]socks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yesterday I looked back in the comment history and remembered something we discussed in February. With due respect, I will try to avoid discussing COVID19 with you. In any event, we know each others' approaches to the matter.

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOL. Beware she doesn't Ides of March you.

Maybe what you really need is the right strain for you, one that won't impede your thoughts/ambitions yet keeps your anus chill. Then if it works for you both, you won't need to quit.

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]AmericanMuskrat 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe detox

I quit hard drugs a long time ago. I'm not allowed liquor anymore. I get 2 beers a day and all the weed I wanna smoke. Oddly enough I wasn't the one who wanted me to start smoking weed again. My wife wants me high, says I'm less of an asshole that way. My big problem is twofold, one I had a really hard time quitting weed last time and two) I feel like being high is a waste of my life.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think falling asleep on SaidIt is unique to you.

Maybe detox?

I hope you can resolve your things. We need you around a little more.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent point!!!

I hadn't considered that reverse angle. Specifically, I'd never considered: "Compiling and publishing information about people using shill tactics is an appropriate use of free speech to defend free speech."

I was actually thinking the image was appropriate as the STABs are actually attacking SaidIt, not hypothetical users potentially attacking STABs with acts of violence in real life, risking jail or worse. There's a HUGE world of difference between the them. Obviously I don't advocate violence.

However, I would not say that it's "inappropriate and indefensible". We are all on an anonymous forum, though I don't care to hide my identity. (I also don't give a shit if people know my contact info, just as you'd find in a phone book of yore. However, I would care if anyone doxxed my IP or banking info for abuse.) If any of our info was involuntarily released there's be a serious problem bigger than some hypothetical potentials.

Can't you just take another stab at it so to speak?

The concept is out there. I will continue to use the "STABs" term. I'm not going to delete this post. I still stand by it. Many will misread it regardless, as they do for everything else anyways. I see no reason to re-do it. Were I to revisit it I might use a troll image or two. Feel free to do your own thing with it.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Rich coming from you, a shill who pretends to be ignorantly pushing the "official" vaccine narratives and other authoritarian and divisive shit, intentionally overlooking mountains of evidence, and refusing to use any critical thinking to actually support or promote truths that are self-evident to anyone who even bothers to look beyond the corporatocracy's MSM propaganda.

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[–]AmericanMuskrat 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Prolly 5G

They thought I had chronic leukemia. I think they might have been right. As soon as I get my shit together it's back to the docs. Hard though, it takes some effort.

I'm having trouble sleeping

I'm having trouble staying awake.

I didn't even expect LXXX/MoronLeft to sockpuppet upvote

I just wanted to tell you my thing primarily.

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have no problem with friendly trolling, or useful bots, or lite shilling. They're still STABs, but in these cases not in a negative way.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Ew. Makes me want to lick it.

Yes, more walking! And now the weather is better as is my back, almost!

Hope your arm gets better sooner than later. Try spreading some ice cream on it.

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Have uploaded the aftermath.

https://ibb.co/7185gdz - Bloody wound 1 - next morning at the emergency room, 9 hours later

https://ibb.co/xj1qzFS - Bloody wound 2 - just before they squirted over a quart of water into it via syringe to flush. Very fun...

You can see how my hands were in the same position as your image. Going to see a plastic surgeon this week to if repairs to my nerves are possible.

Aside from limiting sugar, we need to get you out and walking everyday.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What battles? I came up with this STABs term a few days ago and finally made it "official". I didn't even expect LXXX/MoronLeft to sockpuppet upvote it. Most of my other "brilliant" terms go largely unnoticed, like storyotype.

I'm having trouble sleeping too. Prolly 5G directed into our homes or something. More likely it's my imbalanced use of caffeine. I'm very sensitive to it so I wouldn't call it abuse, but really if I'm 10x more sensitive than most or whatever then I should do more than 10x less than most I'm still doing too much for me. More than that is finding the balance and consistency - or better: getting by without. The problem is that it helps me be motivated to "save the world", often with a day off downtime to recover. Pros & cons.

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[–]socks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

critical thinking.

This would benefit Saidit. There is often a conflation of opinion with information (and disinformation) here (not to mention a tendency to focus on insulting people - not that that's happening here - rather than carry on with reasonable arguments).

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe it's my genetics, but I can't eat too much sweets. Even a a little makes me feel icky. You wouldn't know it by my belly slowly shrinking over 2020. That grew from cheap shit food and inactivity and a decade long zombie coma from Big Pharma.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I asked to find insights in your views, not to point out inconsistencies, yet regretfully, I'm going to because maybe by pointing to them you might express a more refocused perspective for us both to benefit from.

I don't entirely know what my philosophy is because I'm still working it out.

Fair enough. I don't need to hold you to anything, but unless I'm missing something this statement back-peddles on your previous statement:

It is too aggressive, detrimentally so. It doesn't represent my philosophy on the matter.

Perhaps we should forget about the "philosophy" and simply address why you think the image is detrimentally aggressive. There are much worse images presented on SaidIt, not even including those NSFW. But it's not a contest and while I could defend the primitive cartoon graphic all day, I'll just let you explain why the bloody stabs toon and "STABs" term are not compatible, while you associated these with critical thinking, education, free speech, and a bloodless "whatever" (I've avoided using a specific term like revolt, labeling, witch hunt, or whatever it is you think I'm doing with this new STABs acronym term).

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[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What about a little friendly trolling?

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

...the term is often applied to people that counter the prevailing narrative.

That's a good enough start but it's not just contrarians and nay-sayers. I'd also say some trolls try to be funny, jokers, pranksters, mischievous, and even malevolent shit disturbers - in varying degrees from very clever and witty to absolutely juvenile and gutter-based.

Airbus, Bob3, and Chipit may also stalk you around and/or harass you with their ignorance and intollerance.

Some asstrolls I'd go so far as to call them cyber terrorists completely up to no good and trying to destroy this site, like LXXX/MoronLeft.

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[–]AmericanMuskrat 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I think my oncologist messed up. I can barely stay awake these days.

It does make me think sometimes that you pick the wrong battles.

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[–]Optimus85 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In our defence, it's not like we get to use these features very often. Reddit mods OTOH...

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[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. I'm way down. That was opening the second gallon from a 2-pack bought last summer.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The vivid cartoon image should lock it into your mind. Trust me there's much worse when you search for "stabs". Though colourful, it's hardly graphic.

It doesn't represent my philosophy on the matter.

What are you reading into it and what is your "philosophy on the matter"?

I didn't state my philosophy. I created an acronym term and definition: " STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots "

Not all bots are bad, nor are they all run by weak cowards. You omitted trolls. How do you feel about trolls?

STABs is just a shortened form for infiltrators who may/may not be up to no good. IMO, the cartoon is more than appropriate for promoting this cautionary awareness term for popular usage. I was lucky it was just there. Finding another image would NOT have been fun.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Quote of the month:

" Trying to have a discussion with /u/socks is like trying to dance in quicksand. "

It never ends with socks, pretending to be perpetually ignorant while promoting vaccine propaganda and authoritarianism.

Here's a couple more from just today.

/s/memes/comments/7k4p/imagine_that_the_1_control_all_the_wealth_power/sffe?context=4

/s/censorship/comments/7jmf/youtube_has_deleted_over_800000_videos_that/sfhp?context=8

Another yesterday:

/s/SuperStraight/comments/7jhl/sockpuppet_flood/seec?context=6

Bonus from Tom:

PSA: /s/socks is a confirmed shill.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Eating too much ice cream is unhealthy.

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It was almost exactly like your image, but with a full container of ice cream in the middle. My usual dull knife with the broken tip was dirty, so I used a very sharp kitchen knife.

I'll check with my doc and see if I can get some smart pills.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It triggered socks too.

Talk to your doctor about a good hotline for your suicidal tendencies.

Also avoid running with scissors.

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Just don't patronize those "drugs with no prescription" bots that post here.

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Your image triggers me. That is exactly what I did to my left wrist a couple weeks ago (but way more blood), and am seeing a plastic surgeon this week to see if it can be fixed. It went in about 1.5 inches. Ugh. Be careful with sharp knives.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

LOL. I wish.

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[–]socks 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If I were to call you a liberty-fucking idiot with your head up your vaccine-loving ass, then that would be name calling AND downward discussion. But I won't because it's against the rules.

LOL

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[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oh no. Stay off the drugs.. :P

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[–]socks 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cheers, first I've seen Nazbol. National Bolshevism is whack, an oxymoron, a sort of cognitive dissonance. They'd probably be the first ones against the wall after the revolution, when the actual nazis take over.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I kinda like these hidden comments!

Unless it's only the original removed comment.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Stay tuned. I had an epiphany this morning that might solve most of our problems. There may even be a chance that M7 might support it.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

1) It's too agressive [sic]

Your shill opinion. You want TABSs or something less offensive while the STABs are trying to destroy SadiIt with their STABbing actions?

2) The image is definitely too agressive [sic] (and not directly related to "Shills, Trolls, and Bots")

The image works with the acronym, STABs perfectly. Furthermore, I wanted to grab people's attention. I didn't expect the LXXX/MoronLeft to sockpuppet it up. I'm glad they did and hope everyone uses this term. While I'm at it, I also want to promote my STORYOTYPE term for common usage, among others in this /s/Terminology sub.

3) It's rather difficult, or impossible, to determine on Saidit who is a shill or a bot

Some, yes. Others, no. Many are obvious. Some take time to discover. And some, like you, play by the rules with your disinfo and counter-info campaigns.

4) It's against freedom of speech, and it's a form of censorship, and it's against the pyramid of debate to harass users on Saidit by calling them Shills, Trolls, and/or Bots

Fallacious, again. It's NOT against freedom of speech. You're trying to suppress my vocabulary.

Shills, trolls, and bots are descriptions.

If I were to call you a liberty-fucking idiot with your head up your vaccine-loving ass, then that would be name calling AND downward discussion. But I won't because it's against the rules.

5) Trolls still have a right to be trolls on Saidit, as long as they follow the rules (and /u/magnora7 & /u/TheAmeliaMay remove trolls who are naughty)

To some extent, yes they do, as stated in 3) and obviously M7 allows the ABCs of SaidIt to persist.

6) It's unlikely that anyone cares enough to be a shill on Saidit (still waiting for my check from Soros...)

More fallacious bullshit.

The powers that be aren't censoring Facebook, Gab, Parler, Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc. for no reason. They don't want the truth out there. They don't want it coming from SaidIt either.

This is NOT new. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

7) It's unlikely that bots are operating on Saidit, or if they did, they'd be rather obvious. They do operate on Reddit, and are often obvious

The "American" de-motivator bot is the most obvious of all. Ask the admins about it. Or use your brains next time you see a comment that does not even relate to the post it's in and you'll find that user account is only a few hours or days old at best. Always complaining about "America". Usually quite accurate and quote-worthy, but always anti-American spam too.

There have been several other bots too, legit and not-legit.

8) WTF are Commie-Nazi asstrolls? (Don't feel obliged to answer any of this; I just think that calling people names on Saidit is already well established and does not need to "evolve" in this McCarthyist manner; and that this is against site rules)

LXXX/MoronLeft are Commie-Nazis, or haven't you seen their asstroll posts, comments, and imagery.

I'm only responding because you're obviously pretending do be a contrarian idiot and it needs to be exposed and people will read this because this post is on the rise. You'll probably give some polite stupid shill response but I won't answer you timesuck until tomorrow. I invite readers to view my other responses to shill socks today for more breakdowns of his nonsense.

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[–]TheAmeliaMay 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's unlikely that bots are operating on Saidit

There's actually a lot of bots here, but they get banned pretty fast. Most of them spam ads, but there's one that keeps making new accounts to spam rants about Americans. No matter how many times we ban it: it never goes away.

WTF are Commie-Nazi asstrolls?

He's talking about LXXXVIII, loki88, 16mega, etc. They keep making sock-puppet accounts to get their dumb posts on the front page for five minutes, because they're twelve years old. The correct term is "Nazbol", but he was close enough.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't know either. I did the same and checked the moderation log: /s/Terminology/about/log

cc /u/fred_red_beans

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[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe it is indeed time we make that multi-layered trust-network system.

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[–]fred_red_beans 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No worries :)

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[–]Optimus85 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for clarifying that even though I feel a bit dumb now...

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[–]socks 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

1) It's too agressive

2) The image is definitely too agressive (and not directly related to "Shills, Trolls, and Bots")

3) It's rather difficult, or impossible, to determine on Saidit who is a shill or a bot

4) It's against freedom of speech, and it's a form of censorship, and it's against the pyramid of debate to harass users on Saidit by calling them Shills, Trolls, and/or Bots

5) Trolls still have a right to be trolls on Saidit, as long as they follow the rules (and /u/magnora7 & /u/TheAmeliaMay remove trolls who are naughty)

6) It's unlikely that anyone cares enough to be a shill on Saidit (still waiting for my check from Soros...)

7) It's unlikely that bots are operating on Saidit, or if they did, they'd be rather obvious. They do operate on Reddit, and are often obvious

8) WTF are Commie-Nazi asstrolls? (Don't feel obliged to answer any of this; I just think that calling people names on Saidit is already well established and does not need to "evolve" in this McCarthyist manner; and that this is against site rules)

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[–]fred_red_beans 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You're not approving the removal, just approving the comment again

I removed, and checked in unlogged in browser

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[–]Optimus85 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It shows for me too since you've added me as a mod. I didn't know I had the option to approve the removal, which I did.

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[–]TheAmeliaMay 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for removing it! Yes, it only shows up for you; even if we remove it: you can still see it, because you're a moderator of this sub. This results in some people approving comments by loki88 after we remove them...

Magnora already banned the account, but I found one of his alts that was still active.

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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/u/magnora7 & /u/TheAmeliaMay, as mod I "removed" this spam but I still see it here, and am currently commenting to it. It even says [ removed by JasonCarswell (remove not spam) ]. Does this mean it's invisible to everyone else?

STABs : Shills, Trolls, and Bots by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I'm hoping to popularize this term on use in SaidIt and beyond.

In addition to the LXXX/MoronLeft Commie-Nazi asstrolls, here on SaidIt we have the ABCs of STABs: /u/Airbus320, /u/bobbobbybob, /u/Chipit, and sometimes /u/socks, among others.

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Dark Web: Cicada 3301, an upcoming film inspired by the organization, is scheduled for release in 2021.

Chances are high it will be the usual tripe, but 'it is habbening'.

Speaking of personalities associated with communications about "Q", serialbrain2 is definitely king of b̵̸͙̅̽͡ͅă̶̸̝ͦ͊̿͋͞t̴͕͖͓̀s̩͙͖̋͛͟h̶̯̰̝̻̿̓͢i̵͓͙̱͚̎͟t̴͕͖͓̀ mountain.

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Tranissary and Transtrender also need to be added, especially since they trigger the correct audience.

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Oh!

Femcel

I forgot about this one.
It's pretty much an "incel" counter. Which, don't get me wrong, calling men incels is probably very helpful because it moves them to change.

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Most importantly it was clear to discerning eyes that there were initially at least 3 "personalities" of Q in the early days as the psyop project evolved - each with different styles, motives, and goals. Anyone who can't see this is trapped in the blind faith Q delusion dogma.

Yeah, I've heard people say this, but never understood why they said this. Maybe you mean the different tripcodes that were used. There are different types of messages, but I'm certain the pattern we're noticing there has to do with who the message is for.
As I said, communicating in code isn't new and it's not that difficult to spot. "That's just nonsense designed to confuse people" seems convenient to me.

offending people is bad

I don't see why anyone thinks this, frankly. I see a lot of value in "offending people" and I think anyone that wears their ego so blatantly deserves to have it challenged.
There's nothing you or anyone else could ever say or do that would offend me. The concept seems entirely foreign to me.
I'm not really even sure what the word means at this point. Does it mean "say a mean thing to me"? Does it mean "harm my honor"? It just feels like we're language policing.

Jordan Sather

Ouch. I get it - you were never very involved in discussion and probably never even stepped foot in QR, but "e-celebs" are not very well received on any chan, let alone /pol/ or QR. To be blunt, anyone that has any sort of personality associated with any communication they make about Q shouldn't receive any of your faith.

The problem I continue to find is that most who discuss anything related to Q don't exactly capture the sentiments that most anons harbor and they even more rarely understand what's really being said.
To add a little more: Q never needed Trump. It wasn't about Trump doing anything in particular and we largely just recognized Trump as a distraction, a very helpful one. Additionally, most agree Q is indeed a psyop. Unfortunately, they don't agree that all psyops are bad. See Cicada 3301 and its aftermath for instance. That's a pretty deep rabbit hole though.

Don't feel insulted by this or anything. I think most were purposefully lead astray when it came to this whole situation.

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I remember the early days of Q too. I didn't examine the releases, but for a while I followed several who followed closely. Their helpful contextual analysis were tremendously insightful.

Most importantly it was clear to discerning eyes that there were initially at least 3 "personalities" of Q in the early days as the psyop project evolved - each with different styles, motives, and goals. Anyone who can't see this is trapped in the blind faith Q delusion dogma.

You don't need Q or memes to understand why Trump was selected. He's popular be cause the shit choices offered with shitty media offering lots of information void of contextual understanding left a vast vacuum to gobble up a spoiled brat / TV game show host and a bunch of joke panels sarcastically resonating with moderately informed lowbrows as a new efficient mode of communication.

I agree that challenging humour can help break through firm beliefs to introduce skepticism, questions, and doubt. That's much different than challenging with offending content (slurs, porn, gore, etc).

It's obvious many folks use the taboo N word as a baseline test. IMO, you need a better test. The baseline tests that I respect are the taboo topics: 1) 9/11 was a globalist job, 2) the climate change scam, and 3) the great Holocaust exaggeration. If they can't even admit the first (or discuss it), then they're not informed and aware (or are held/holding back). The second was personally my greatest hurdle. The third was easier but more taboo to me, but once I dared to look at "Nazi-think" it became quickly obvious, and by that time it was clear for me that all of MSM is a lie.

IMO, it's better to use free speech to challenge taboo ideas than to call people taboo insults. Depends who you're mocking and shaming - always only punch up, and aim for their balls and vital organs.

Also, IMO, it's easy and lame to destroy, and conversely it's worth trying to examine the world, circumstances, and myself to figure out how things can be better and improved.

Q hopium is dangerous:
/s/conspiracy/comments/7e2j/i_react_to_a_q_pusher_reacting_to_my_video/

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Heh I was around when it kicked off on /pol/. I can understand the confusion, it being nearly three and a half years later.
I don't really blame you for being skeptical in its current state. I've found a lot of value in the people that go there and a lot of the discussion. They also make very interesting connections that you can see before other people put them together. For about two years now, I could go and see what they were discussing, have a good grasp of the topic, go and briefly explain it to someone and then have them come back to me and say, "hey, I saw that thing you were talking about on the news. I had no idea what you meant, but it makes so much more sense now!"
Bear in mind, the people that go to QR are just /pol/acks and normies we reluctantly let hang out with us.
Oh, and Militaries have, for quite some time, utilized coded communications so that adversaries weren't sure about what they were discussing, as have plenty of other organizations.

The thing about provocation is most people don't see it as being very valuable. Oddly, that's how we got Trump elected though. This helps us explain why memes were potent - they helped people question their beliefs. What you do is you force them in to getting worked up over something that upsets them and then they think about it for a while, rationalizing in circles. The hope is that it gets through to some people and they eventually start questioning what they really know.
I get that it seems unconventional. It's weird, but it's pretty helpful if you can use it properly. This is why Trump was so successful, mind you.

I'd argue that your "low hanging fruit" has been rotting on the ground for years and is part of the toxicity corrupting our culture.

Yeah, I understand. I just don't feel righteous about it or anything. Calling people niggers is a great way to test sentiments of free speech, it's a great way to defend against people wanting to impede on rights and it, due to what was explained above, helps people deprogram a bit because it helps to detach the racial connotations with the word.
Or it used to, at least.
Besides, mocking and shaming are pretty useful socialization tactics.

I do see where you're coming from with all of this though. You have an interesting perspective and I'm glad you showed me the post, considering I think about these things a lot.

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I agree that the debt-slave wage caged sheeple need to wake the flock up, but insulting them will get you nowhere. I can easily imagine a million ways people, wise or not, get overwhelmed, oppressed, and/or trapped - not by incompetency.

Certainly shock treatment can disrupt some people out of their habitual thought patterns, but you simply can't expect force everyone to break free of their deep seated brainwashing with offensive ideas. The other day /u/bobbobbybob freaked out because I was throwing "gay sand" around. Sure I was hoping he'd snap out of his prudery but it never works. The more he got upset the more "creative" I got, amusing myself into being blocked. His loss, and my own, for short term Tomfoolery. I'm not gay, but every time someone expresses hyper-sensitivity about ass play I admit, I've enjoyed escalating it in creatively twisted literary ways. I can and must do better, even if they can't. You won't excise (nor "exercise") your grandma's puritan manners by "ironically" calling her a whore and forcing her to watch porn.

I'd argue that your "low hanging fruit" has been rotting on the ground for years and is part of the toxicity corrupting our culture.

Q is a conspiretarded distraction waste of time. There's zero need for all the cloak and dagger dramatic bullshit. Speak shit plainly or get off the pot. More importantly, develop alternatives and solutions. You're quite correct that the political theater is no coincidence, nor is Q, nor is the divisive incendiary culture. Social engineering and manufactured dissent is always keeping us from fighting the ruling class and their establishment matrix of rigged systems, the real enemies. Focus your well-warranted skepticism on the target, not on Q, nor on the left-right chaos.

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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though you might be a little hard on those poor debt slaves who may or may not actually be incompetent.

You have to be. If they aren't provoked, there's a slim chance they'll figure out how they can conquer their reluctant prison.

I'm most definitely not a fan of "faggot", "nigger", or "kike". Completely unimaginative and burdened with too much baggage - and very divisive, partisanly. Edgelords may rule in their echochambers but appear like triggerhappy Neanderthals to everyone else. It's not communication if it's a nuclear trigger, and to feign ignorance or anything else is disingenuous. If one must, other neutral terms suffice, like "cuck". IMO, I'd much rather insult or be insulted by creative wit than unimaginative banal slurs.

The idea is to exercise them out of the thought bubble where words are scary. Calling each other niggers even though we know both parties aren't black is the type of irony that triggers deeper thought in ones that can manage it. Unfortunately, I also observe that this is sort of low hanging fruit and it's more for comical exercises at this point than it is about deep and valuable provocation that leads to meaningful developments in deprogramming.
Just food for thought at this point: the kind of reaction you gave is exactly the reason no one has abandoned it. The accusations of it being low hanging fruit will get you piled on just to trigger you... unfortunately.
Maybe I'm selling out, but, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

Hopium is only recently hitting normiewaves
Don't give up on the Q thing quite so quickly. The whole point is that no one will benefit until they are moved/agitated to the point that they finally overcome the boredom or lack of attention span that's preventing them from finding out more truths. Too many smoothbrains have weighed in on interpreting Q things. Normies latched on to either comical interpretations designed to fuck with people (trolls) or feds/think tanks/shareblue interns that did a demoralization LARP where they predicted something would happen on a date (despite being nonsensical), baiting normies in to building expectations, only to leave them shattered and bewildered once the "prediction" came and went.
Besides, it's been two years and the rhetoric switched rapidly from "lol that's just some fat virgins in their mom's basement who're off their Risperdal" to "THESE HENIOUS EVIL-DOERS HAVE CONVINCED THE PROUD BOYS TO STORM THE CAPITOL! ET THEM!" and I just can't accept that it's just a coincidence. First they're impotent virgins that can't get a job and now they're masterminds that convinced fat boomers to inform to the FBI and "instigate a riot"? I can't buy that.

Didn't mean to rant about the Q thing though. I like what you're doing despite how you feel about any of that and don't think our disagreement is valuable to hang on to.

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Fanfuckingtastick examples!

The wage cage is great, though you might be a little hard on those poor debt slaves who may or may not actually be incompetent.

I'm most definitely not a fan of "faggot", "nigger", or "kike". Completely unimaginative and burdened with too much baggage - and very divisive, partisanly. Edgelords may rule in their echochambers but appear like triggerhappy Neanderthals to everyone else. It's not communication if it's a nuclear trigger, and to feign ignorance or anything else is disingenuous. If one must, other neutral terms suffice, like "cuck". IMO, I'd much rather insult or be insulted by creative wit than unimaginative banal slurs.

I have yet to actually use storyotype anywhere, but it seems like it's ripe with potential.

Another one I hear a lot, a portmanteau of hope + opium, especially regarding Q-Anon and/or this "temporary" mask lockdown tyranny:

Hopium

Neuro-Linguistic Counter-Programming: Storyotype by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Ha you're doing pretty well.
I can share a few of my favorites with you, which I've been employing for a little while:

Coincidence Theorist

Should be pretty obvious - counters the Mockingbird rhetoric shaping instrument designed to obscure meaningful communication about JFK, "Conspiracy Theorist".

Cope Rope

This one is sort of nuanced but I use it to mock people who will inevitably cope by roping (committing suicide by hanging themselves). Naturally, I don't wish suicide upon anyone.
Normally used as a noun.

Wage Cage

Someone's job, which they desperately need because they're too incompetent to make their own money for themselves.

Faggot and Nigger are both interchangeable at this point. They no longer have any meaning and are just used to describe an "undesirable" or valueless person.
They're used to trigger people with a retardation barrier that prevents abstract thought, which would alleviate the negative connotation if they could think more clearly. Unfortunately, I'm not sure they help that much at this point because it doesn't disrupt their thought patterns and instead just makes them automatically jump right to the next phase of the loop, which is basically just "attack people that say nigger or faggot".

I can't really think of more at the moment.

Denialism - choosing to deny reality to avoid psychologically uncomfortable truths, an irrational action withholding validation or refusing historical experience, events, or empirically verifiable reality. (ie. undisputed science, facts, concepts, religion, Holocaust, AIDS, climate change, COVID-19) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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With so much invested, I doubt they'll investigate properly. You need time, curiosity, motivation, and tenacity. All 4 or none for all.

I was deep into climate change and it was the last thing I disagreed with James Corbett about. He was making reasonable points, but nothing overly compelling. IMO, he should do a documentary on it, not stacking up facts, but laying out the manipulations. Anyway, I started looking into my own lived experience (boring story), and fundamentally realized I'd been bamboozled. My mind understood - but it took my heart and my reflexes at least 6 months to calm down and just accept the bullshit. It was my hardest turn around, and with that hurdle behind me, diving into the "racist" Holocaust skepticism was much easier, though not really easy either. Vaccines were easy to flip though.

Denialism - choosing to deny reality to avoid psychologically uncomfortable truths, an irrational action withholding validation or refusing historical experience, events, or empirically verifiable reality. (ie. undisputed science, facts, concepts, religion, Holocaust, AIDS, climate change, COVID-19) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I actually think pro-lockdown people have this problem.

I mean if they destroyed so many lives for no benefit then how can they ever live with themselves.

This is why lockdown and fear keeps needing to be extended in their minds, 7 years of anti-covid measures is the latest I've seen, because when it's all over they know people are going to start analysing what's happened probably.

What is the Difference Between Oppression and Repression - Pediaa.Com by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I wanted to make a "It's for your own safety" meme so I Google Image searched "oppression". To my surprise and delight, I stumbled upon my design (see thumbnail), which of course is suppressed because it's hosted on https://InfoGalactic.com - though recently I uploaded it to https://ImgFlip.com. I also found a new encyclopedia in https://Pediaa.com of whom I know nothing, as their "About Us" page reveals nothing.

https://infogalactic.com/info/File:Stickmen_Free_Speech_Oppression_v2.svg

Victimology - study of victimization; psychological effects, relationships, interactions and connections between/on victims and offenders, the criminal justice system (police, courts, corrections officials) and/or other social groups/institutions (religion, state, media, business, social movements). by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I don't recognize that if it's a quote. The only Danish nobility I know of is Hamlet and Erik. I'm afraid I'm very ignorant on the matter. If it's not a quote then it's too cryptic and lost on me. Intriguing but I fear it's a waste of your time to throw those kinds of obscure codes at me.

Victimology - study of victimization; psychological effects, relationships, interactions and connections between/on victims and offenders, the criminal justice system (police, courts, corrections officials) and/or other social groups/institutions (religion, state, media, business, social movements). by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Too serious? I saw a YouTube featuring a Black conservative complaining about BLM and their victimology. I decided to look it up and see if it was the same definition. Of course it wasn't because Wikipedia controls the narrative. I added "religion" to my truncated definition here, implying a certain tribe. Otherwise I was just hoping people might incorporate it more into their lexicon to describe a lot of what's going on regarding rights, privilege, sexism, etc.

I've written plenty on Wikipedia and had much of it reverted or censored. I was even banned for a year 2016-2017 for being "another polite truther".

Stats? How so? The protagonist of my story is deep into stats. I dropped out of stats in university. I may need some help to improve his dialogue.

Victimology - study of victimization; psychological effects, relationships, interactions and connections between/on victims and offenders, the criminal justice system (police, courts, corrections officials) and/or other social groups/institutions (religion, state, media, business, social movements). by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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This seems to me almost too serious for you.

Did you ever write the wikipedia ?

I mean, i see us two soon doing statistics. :)

loxism - (white supremacist ideology [slang]) Hatred of (non-Jewish) whites by Jews. Derived from lox: Salmon cured in brine and then smoked in low temperature so that the flesh remains uncooked [a food popular among Jewish people]. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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That makes more sense. Like the Eye Of Providence, Light Of Liberty, Illuminati, and Lucifer.

loxism - (white supremacist ideology [slang]) Hatred of (non-Jewish) whites by Jews. Derived from lox: Salmon cured in brine and then smoked in low temperature so that the flesh remains uncooked [a food popular among Jewish people]. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Feel free to share how you might have improved it if you care to. I'm always open to learning stuff, and of course readers might too. I just couldn't think of a better way to put it in under 300 characters. When in doubt I just leave it and let readers sort it out.

loxism - (white supremacist ideology [slang]) Hatred of (non-Jewish) whites by Jews. Derived from lox: Salmon cured in brine and then smoked in low temperature so that the flesh remains uncooked [a food popular among Jewish people]. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Oh I didn't mean to critique your title, more the Wiktionary article labelling it a "white supremacist" word.

loxism - (white supremacist ideology [slang]) Hatred of (non-Jewish) whites by Jews. Derived from lox: Salmon cured in brine and then smoked in low temperature so that the flesh remains uncooked [a food popular among Jewish people]. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I called it slang. The root origin is not a standard derivative. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems more than a little pejorative. I'm not saying we shouldn't have slang or pejoratives, but I aim to be clear about the terminology - even more clear than Wiktionary (who have censored me for doing so on other terms).

That's why I posted it - to give people a vocabulary to utilize.

I should have changed "supremacist", but I didn't know how to best modify it.

loxism - (white supremacist ideology [slang]) Hatred of (non-Jewish) whites by Jews. Derived from lox: Salmon cured in brine and then smoked in low temperature so that the flesh remains uncooked [a food popular among Jewish people]. by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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"White supremacist slang". Because of course it's racist if we have our own mirror equivalent of 'anti-semitism'. LOL

Symbolism: Reading Other Minds (8:39) ~ Logos Made Flesh by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I'd horsewhip you if I had a horse.

Time flies like an arrow. >> Fruit flies like a banana.

This sentence is not true.

Symbolism: Reading Other Minds (8:39) ~ Logos Made Flesh by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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It's like the phrase that will screw up artificial intelligence until it becomes clever enough: "I shot an elephant in my pajamas." Who's wearing them, shot with a gun or a camera, etc?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shot+an+elephant+in+his+pajamas

Symbolism: Reading Other Minds (8:39) ~ Logos Made Flesh by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Marshall McLuhan said that the written word is an abstraction of an abstraction that separates us from the thing itself. So if you see the word pineapple, you must decode the letters to get to the sound of the word, one abstraction, then you must decode the sound of the word to get to the meaning of pineapple: two abstractions. All of this dealing with letters and words, makes us abced minded he says. The word is not the thing. Cat got your langue?

Discussion Question: Why is semiotics important in Understanding Media?

This way lies madness which reminds me of a silly joke:

A Japanese (say) young man goes on an airline for the first time. After a while the flight attendant comes along and says to him: beef or chicken? His English is not so good so he repeats the phrase over and over to himself: beeforchicken, bee fore chicken. Suddenly he says to the attendant: eggu.

Hate-squeal™ - the panicked noise fellow citizens make when ratting someone out for non-compliance to tyranny, mask wearing, speech policies, gender dictates, privilege correctness, wrongthink, blind obedience to authority, etc. (A new made-up term, ideally to become a counter-propaganda tool.) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Yeah it's hard to encapsulate into one term that isn't "old left". Maybe "old left" can stay. ;-)

Your approach to politics seems to have been diametrically opposite of mine, since you know the people and programs so well. I came at it from a completely opposite point of view: "This path leads to hell" repeated time and time again, until I found something that would actually work. Then looking through history, finding that it had INDEED worked well enough that the entire world had to unite against it in order to defeat it. From there, finding out what could, ONE TIME IN HISTORY, unite the entire planet AGAINST something actually good. And here we meet, somewhat on the right, somewhat on the left, and with absolutely no representation in actual politics. If I had representation in politics, this party would be thought of as pure terrorism by the masses who now think only in shades of far leftism without realizing it.

Like everything society does, the pendulum may reverse. However, degenerate mores never seem to swing back.

Hate-squeal™ - the panicked noise fellow citizens make when ratting someone out for non-compliance to tyranny, mask wearing, speech policies, gender dictates, privilege correctness, wrongthink, blind obedience to authority, etc. (A new made-up term, ideally to become a counter-propaganda tool.) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Perfect example (I think), especially if it was mask related, and/or trying to rat someone out, and/or call the authorities for some perceived imaginary or slight "offence".

(My browser has been having issues with playback recently. I could hear it and see small thumbnails in the timeline but the screen was black. I don't want to hear that again.)

Hate-squeal™ - the panicked noise fellow citizens make when ratting someone out for non-compliance to tyranny, mask wearing, speech policies, gender dictates, privilege correctness, wrongthink, blind obedience to authority, etc. (A new made-up term, ideally to become a counter-propaganda tool.) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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Most sensible people are a little bit left and a little bit right on things, depending which issue you mean.

Republican conservatives were one thing and even more "extreme" if you can imagine it, were Alt-Right who seemed to be akin to neo-Nazis for a while, according to how I felt MSM was pushing it, and maybe there was some truth to it, and maybe it was all hype. I've come to realize that the Alt-Right is far more "normal" in the head than the Republicans and their more extreme NeoCons. Even if I may not always buy into the Alt-Right ideas, at least they make sense.

For lack of a better term, going back decades the "old-left" used to generally be 2 factions: 1 with business interests and 1 with social interests (ie. fairness, unions, health, environment, anti-war, etc) - and there was a lot of overlap. The old-far-left were the deep-green people who would perform acts of "terrorism" for environmental causes, like Julia Hill Butterfly who lived in a tree for a year so it wouldn't be logged. Over the last 3 decades I've seen the "progressive left" devolve and a 3rd group rise while the 2nd group faded away some how. There no longer exists any "progressive left" that a person like Dennis Kucinich could call home with anitwar, anticorporate, environmental, and fairness as their focus. Bernie was a poser who overlapped business interests with the old-left ideals in speech but never came through in actions. The Business Left is still there while the new 3rd far-left rose to be some Corporate Insane SJW Left pretending to have real issues but always perverting them. Climate Change is supposed to be about saving the environment but really it's about forcing people to make do with less, have blind faith in corporate scientism, and pay into a Carbon Tax scam. Social Justice is anything but and they've replaced the logic of "fairnes" with the insanity of "equality" and make up their own arbitrary reparation rules for privilege and nonsense shit. And don't even get me started about the gender shit. Antifa is more fascist than neo-Nazis. Anyway, now countless millions of the rational old-left have no peace movement, no unions, no reasonable social programs, no fairness, and certainly no environmental sway since all the deep-green folks are considered "eco-terrorists" and are more severely punished than real criminals- or the much worse corporate criminals who never face trials. Hillary and the corporate left have tried to laughably call themselves progressive, and now the SJWs are trying to call themselves progressive, and many of them like Bernie and AOC are kind of saying sort of the right things - but their actions always prove they're liars and sellouts. Thus the old-left, aside from a few rare exceptions (ie. Shahid Buttar), have no representation and no identity to speak of, or even a proper label/name. However, there are certainly many "old-left" voices out there, however they may identify themselves now. I actually listed them here, which I see you kindly supported (thank you), and I never responded to Chipit, likely buried in my 280+ messages, and now the heat of the moment long passed.

Hate-squeal™ - the panicked noise fellow citizens make when ratting someone out for non-compliance to tyranny, mask wearing, speech policies, gender dictates, privilege correctness, wrongthink, blind obedience to authority, etc. (A new made-up term, ideally to become a counter-propaganda tool.) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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"I could care less" now means "I could NOT care less"... Color me confused!

I agree of course. Progressive... Some derivative of "egalitarian-ism"? I'm not exactly sure in which aspect of the old style leftism you are referring to?

Hate-squeal™ - the panicked noise fellow citizens make when ratting someone out for non-compliance to tyranny, mask wearing, speech policies, gender dictates, privilege correctness, wrongthink, blind obedience to authority, etc. (A new made-up term, ideally to become a counter-propaganda tool.) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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IMO we should try to come up with not only terms like this but also find terms for so much of the nuanced political shit we can't even properly talk about because we don't have common terms. I don't even know which terms I can use anymore to describe my own ideas to people. "Progressive" is a term that the old-left used to use but is now being corrupted and claimed by the insane corporate SJW Dems - and without it there is no other term the "old-left" can use and claim to be. "Socialism" can mean whatever people want it to and from the left or the right it's synonymous with all sorts of other things. "Woke" used to be about 9-11. "Literally" now means figuratively. I could go on but I'm boring myself.

Hate-squeal™ - the panicked noise fellow citizens make when ratting someone out for non-compliance to tyranny, mask wearing, speech policies, gender dictates, privilege correctness, wrongthink, blind obedience to authority, etc. (A new made-up term, ideally to become a counter-propaganda tool.) by JasonCarswell in Terminology

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I forgot to include more about the "fellow citizens" who are body-snatcher-pod-people-like zombie sheeple neighbours brainwashed by the corporatocracy MSM fear-porn and who've lost all capacity to discern what's right or wrong, much less question anything they see on their hated media coming from their hated government, yet hypocritically believe them anyway.