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[–]FartandSnap 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Trans women feel free to dress that way because nothing negative will happen to them for doing it.

Do you actually think this is true? Like, do you think you, as a man, could dress up like a bimbo and go out without getting harassed by anyone?

Like, do you really think "nothing" will happen to them?

[–]kwallio 21 insightful - 9 fun21 insightful - 8 fun22 insightful - 9 fun -  (14 children)

Well, they won't get groped by heterosexual men because no one wants man-ass in a skirt.

[–]FartandSnap 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

People exist other then heterosexual men.

And violence exists in forms other than groping, like a good old fashioned gay bash.

If a trans woman goes out in a slutty outfit, I think we can BOTH agree she is risking more than "nothing".

[–]kwallio 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Prove it. Where are the assault stats? Where are the murders? There just aren't any. Everyone knows they're men, thats why they don't get assaulted.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For the record-- I don't know whether or not the person you're arguing with is arguing in good faith, but here's some stats about LGBT violence: FBI hate crime data

Gay men are disproportionately likely to experience assault because of their sexual orientation, above and beyond any other demographic in the LGBT, followed by lesbian women. The graph suggests that transgender-identified people are more likely to experience violence for their sexual orientation than heterosexuals.

I don't have data for it, but among trans-identified people, I would imagine that the more gender-nonconforming-presenting ones (e.g. the "guys dressed up as bimbos" described in this post) are more likely to be assaulted than people who announce they're trans and appear very gender conforming (which is a lot more common than one might think...).

There are extremely FEW murders of transwomen. Few in the US, and I want to say the UK averages almost 0 per year? Would have to check that.

edit: grammar, added a phrase

[–]kwallio 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for dropping stats. I know what the actual murder rate of transwomen is, I was trying to get fartandsnap to do some digging and admit what the actual rate of assault and so on for transwomen actually was (its the lowest out of all demos, actually).

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, that totally makes sense :) sorry for the redundancy!

I was trying to get fartandsnap to do some digging and admit what the actual rate of assault

That's eMoTiOnAL laBoR, how dare you! Jk haha.

[–]FartandSnap 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have stats that show that trans women face no violence? Because you're making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

[–]kwallio 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. NO U.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

People exist other then heterosexual men.

And violence exists in forms other than groping, like a good old fashioned gay bash.

So you're saying that people other than heterosexual men are engaging in violence towards transwomen? Such as gay bashing? Who ARE these people, then? Heterosexual women? Bisexual women? Homosexual women? Bisexual men? Homosexual men? How likely is it that men who are themselves same-sex-attracted will beat a man up for ostensibly being... same-sex-attracted? Which leads me to my next point:

If a trans woman goes out in a slutty outfit, I think we can BOTH agree she is risking more than "nothing".

Not really. If he's risking anything, it's outrage for violating the male gender role... and this would be just as true if he wore an outfit that was the very antithesis of "slutty" (i.e., in good taste, classy, and "ladylike"). Because the problem here isn't "sluttiness"; it's that he's emulating his "inferiors" (women). Which makes HIM an inferior man. Thus weak, contemptible, and probably gay (according to gender rules, the latter results from the former). That's a very different dynamic than the one women face if they're perceived as "slutty".

The irony is that, if this man ever were gay-bashed, it would be as a result of gender... the very thing that "trans" people such as himself are dedicated to promoting.

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

She??

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Asking the real questions... could be a troll.

[–]Retardation_station 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's why it doesn't make sense to walk around dressed like that.

And, yeah, anyone should be allowed to wear whatever they want. Yada yada. I'm not interested in getting into a debate about body/slut shaming or whatever.

But if your get-up is designed to be attention grabbing, then you're probably going to get attention. Unfortunately, we cannot control the reaction we receive from others. The only thing we can do is control the way we present ourselves to the world.

I very much dislike attention from strangers, even though I tend to get quite a bit for some reason. I make a point to dress blandly partially because I have no sense of style but also I don't want to draw unnecessary attention to myself. I make an effort to present myself as someone who wants to be left the fuck alone.

I don't think I'll ever quite understand people who strut around like a fucking peacock and complain about the attention they inevitably receive.

If you present yourself to the world as a stupid bimbo, it just logically follows that someone will assume that's how you'd like to be treated.

[–]FartandSnap 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And, yeah, anyone should be allowed to wear whatever they want

End of discussion.

[–]Retardation_station 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Key word: "should"

People complicate that and it's virtually impossible to police the behavior of society without running into human rights violations.

[–]HelloMomo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well put

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing more would happen than if you dressed as a woman in more concealing clothes. These men are already going to face opposition to their crossdressing, so whether they wear a dress or bikini is fairly negligible.