‘I’m team Terf’: Dave Chappelle under fire over pro-JK Rowling trans stance

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[–]saiditting[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The best bits related to transgenderism come around 52 minutes into the new Netflix special.

Why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it is for Cassius Clay to change his name?

They've cancelled people more powerful to me...They've cancelled JK Rowling....They started calling her a Terf. I didn't even know what the fuck that was. But I know trans people make up words to win arguments."

I shouldn't speak on this...because I am not a woman....nor am I a trans...but as we've established, I am a feminist. I'm Team Terf!

I'm not saying that trans women aren't women....I'm just saying that those pussies that they got....you know what I mean?

Then he transitions into a story of a trans friend who appeared on one of his specials. Chappelle describes how she was bullied for defending him on Twitter and she committed suicide 6 days later by jumping off a roof.

I felt like Daphne lied to me. She always said she identified as a woman. Clearly, only a man would do some gangsta shit like that.

Hear me out. As hard as it is to hear a joke like that, I'm telling you right now, Daphne would have loved that joke. That's why she was my friend...... I don't know what the trans community did for her but I don't care because I feel like she wasn't their tribe, she was mine. She was a comedian in her soul.

Empathy is not gay. Empathy is not black. Empathy is bisexual. It must go both ways.

Remember, taking a man's livelihood is akin to killing him! Please, do not abort the baby.

Closing line....

With all humility....Will you PLEASE STOP PUNCHING DOWN ON MY PEOPLE

[–]lefterfield 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chappelle describes how she was bullied for defended him on Twitter and she committed suicide 6 days later by jumping off a roof.

Holy shit

[–]JasonNecks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not "Please, do not abort the baby."

It's "Please, do not abort DaBaby"

DaBaby is a rapper who people are trying to cancel.

[–]saiditting[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, thanks. Though Chapelle certainly didn't do DaBaby any favors by bringing up the old murder charges.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I haven't yet watched the special, but I'm enjoying all the publicity this is getting. Dave Chappelle has his own perspective, and he certainly isn't a 'radical feminist' but he's willing to say out loud what most people think. A black man has more social cache right now than a white woman (JK Rowling). I wonder how many rape threats he's getting.

[–]Kai_Decadence 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think it's kinda true that black men have more of a social cache when talking this stuff. Well to an extent because as a black man myself who officially came out in support of women, I did face some backlash as all my friends abandoned me and on the video where I made my support known, I've gotten a few nasty comments. Not really rape threats, only got 2 but yet I can only imagine how much women get.

[–]tu_jode_mucho 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I think it's a lot more impactful when black men come out in support of women and "terfs" as

  1. it kills the "white feminism" ammo. you can't really argue with a black man supporting biological women and try to cheapen it with buzzwords.

  2. black men have more of a voice than black women

  3. I think it's kind of unexpected. This is mostly a battle between women and white men. If black men come out the woodwork and draw the line in the sand with themselves on the side of women, that's making a huge statement. Within the black & brown community we usually expect men to side with white men on issues that are not about race.

Sadly sticking up for women is the quickest way for a man to lose friends and allies though.

[–]Kai_Decadence 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I can see where you're coming from even though I wish people (men) would stop shutting women out and actually listen to why women don't support the ideology that is trying to erase them/you. But it also kinda irritates me when some women try to tow the line with the ideology like they won't call trans-identified men what they really are and call them "transwoman". I especially get disheartened when I see black women do this because black women are some of the biggest targets from these trans-identified men who love to make the accusation that black women are like men. Like I was watching a bit of this video and I could finish it because I was getting too frustrated by the woman trying to tow the line and validate these men and the comments weren't any better. I mean I understand why they're most likely doing this but they have to realize that by playing along with these larpers is not gonna help.

Sadly sticking up for women is the quickest way for a man to lose friends and allies though.

Unfortunately you're right but the saddest thing that got me with this is that all my friends were women...

[–]tu_jode_mucho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

OMG that video. I had to power through to watch the whole thing.

Unfortunately you're right but the saddest thing that got me with this is that all my friends were women...

Yea I can see that. I have a decent sized friend group of black lesbians and I already know if I mention anything negative about TIMs to most of them they'll take it like I'm being bigoted and punching down.

Honestly I think black women really don't realize how harmful TIMs are because it's not the same experience as what white women are going through with white TIMs. We aren't experiencing TIMs aggressively trying to get us to date them, we're dealing with TIMs vying for men's attention and affections and women are just not going to be threatened or bothered by essentially a gay male who's swerving all out of his lane trying to take women's spot in heterosexual world. And they're our peers within the black lgbt community so they leave lesbians alone for the most part. On top of that, black men aren't pushing the ideology down black women's throats. Black men aren't allies to black TIMs like how white men are to white TIMs. So outside of a small number of GC and Lipstick Alley-like most black women just view TIMs as harmless gay guys who weren't lucky enough to be born straight women so should be pitied. There aren't really any black transbians that would make it way easier to point out how twisted and misogynistic they are.

I think black women's "peaking" will be similar to gay men's regarding TIW. No, they can't replace you, they can't take your dating prospects and you're still held as the gold standard of your dating pool. But they can take your language, culture, and spaces from right under you and insult you ruthlessly while doing so. And when it's clear to everyone what has happened the train will have already left the station. Similar to how gaydens went from being some whiney niche crowd on twitter to being able to call gay men slurs openly without pushback and get male bathhouses shut down despite having no clout in the gay male community and dating world (and no physical advantages or the backing of patriarchy like TIMs have).

Sorry for the wall of text, I got a little passionate there.

[–]Kai_Decadence 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I agree with all you said. I actually was watching Karen Davis from You're Kidding Right where she was speaking with Jennifer Bilek and Jennifer mentioned something that is pretty true with how the trans thing seems to be more of a white thing then a black thing because black people have "culture". I had to step back and think about it and I think she made a decent observation. Because you don't typically see black men coming out as "transbians". You mostly just see black gay men transing out and it's because of internalized homophobia as well as dealing with homophobia in black dominated spaces as well as dealing with the hardships of being an effeminate gay man in general in the gay dating scene so they trans out thinking it will make their lives better (which it really doesn't) but anyway yeah, this is more than likely why black women have a harder time seeing the truth about transgender ideology.

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

[–]lefterfield 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

So much this. I'm white, but I've never been confused about whether a black woman was really a woman. It's the sort of thing where raising the argument says more about the ones making it than the argument itself.

the trans thing seems to be more of a white thing then a black thing because black people have "culture".

I'm not sure I agree with this claim, nor that it's the reason why we see more white transbians than black. Imo, "white" in the US has been coded as "American" - mind you, that's not how I think it should be, just an observation. Because it's nonsense anyway, so many traditions in the south that are coded as 'black' are also just 'southern' traditions that I grew up with. Part of that is because of slavery, but also just as a rule of human society we adopt culture from those around us. And it went both ways, black Americans don't have the same culture as black Africans - the former has American culture and the later has African culture.

Anyway, white people have culture. I think the difference is that white middle/upper-class suburban culture IS tied in with seeking equality/fairness/justice for everyone and blaming themselves for all the world's woes. Working class white people don't have that culture, and neither do poor, rural, or inner city white people - but generally the Powers That Be care as much about Those Whites as they do about black people who don't toe the party line. So we don't hear about the white or black or other races who reject this nonsense. The only people who matter are those who have made it part of their culture(upper/middle class whites) - because they're the useful idiots for the establishment.

I agree that it's possible the homophobia in many black dominated spaces is why it's the gay black men who tend to transition, though. And it makes sense that this is why more black women see transgenderism differently(although my impression was that more than a few of them think it's complete nonsense and aren't afraid to say so?).

[–]tu_jode_mucho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

Absolutely. I showed my partner a few screenshots of TIMs saying different variations of "if black women are women then TW are women" and it lit her tf up. She still thinks it's an exclusively white transbian thing but the seed has been planted. And videos like the one you posted I think will definitely start to peak black women more. We're used to TS Madison types, but if you (general you) start exposing Nikita Dragon types and make it clear they're pretty much male Kardashians (appropriators/thieves who shit on black women competing for black men's attention) then we've got a GC stew going.

[–]Kai_Decadence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice to hear that your partner didn't take what you showed her lightly and even if she didn't fully peak, like you said the seed has been planted and when she sees more of this gross mentality towards black women from these trans-identified men, she'll eventually come around. It's like once you start seeing this kinda stuff, you become more acutely observant when you see it

I actually went back to the video and filtered the comments by "newest" and there actually some black women who were getting peaked so yeah, I think this video and another one that I saw pop up by another black woman creator talking about Nikita Dragun (though I haven't watched that one yet), this is all good to see.