‘I’m team Terf’: Dave Chappelle under fire over pro-JK Rowling trans stance

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[–]Kai_Decadence 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I agree with all you said. I actually was watching Karen Davis from You're Kidding Right where she was speaking with Jennifer Bilek and Jennifer mentioned something that is pretty true with how the trans thing seems to be more of a white thing then a black thing because black people have "culture". I had to step back and think about it and I think she made a decent observation. Because you don't typically see black men coming out as "transbians". You mostly just see black gay men transing out and it's because of internalized homophobia as well as dealing with homophobia in black dominated spaces as well as dealing with the hardships of being an effeminate gay man in general in the gay dating scene so they trans out thinking it will make their lives better (which it really doesn't) but anyway yeah, this is more than likely why black women have a harder time seeing the truth about transgender ideology.

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

[–]lefterfield 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

So much this. I'm white, but I've never been confused about whether a black woman was really a woman. It's the sort of thing where raising the argument says more about the ones making it than the argument itself.

the trans thing seems to be more of a white thing then a black thing because black people have "culture".

I'm not sure I agree with this claim, nor that it's the reason why we see more white transbians than black. Imo, "white" in the US has been coded as "American" - mind you, that's not how I think it should be, just an observation. Because it's nonsense anyway, so many traditions in the south that are coded as 'black' are also just 'southern' traditions that I grew up with. Part of that is because of slavery, but also just as a rule of human society we adopt culture from those around us. And it went both ways, black Americans don't have the same culture as black Africans - the former has American culture and the later has African culture.

Anyway, white people have culture. I think the difference is that white middle/upper-class suburban culture IS tied in with seeking equality/fairness/justice for everyone and blaming themselves for all the world's woes. Working class white people don't have that culture, and neither do poor, rural, or inner city white people - but generally the Powers That Be care as much about Those Whites as they do about black people who don't toe the party line. So we don't hear about the white or black or other races who reject this nonsense. The only people who matter are those who have made it part of their culture(upper/middle class whites) - because they're the useful idiots for the establishment.

I agree that it's possible the homophobia in many black dominated spaces is why it's the gay black men who tend to transition, though. And it makes sense that this is why more black women see transgenderism differently(although my impression was that more than a few of them think it's complete nonsense and aren't afraid to say so?).

[–]tu_jode_mucho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

Absolutely. I showed my partner a few screenshots of TIMs saying different variations of "if black women are women then TW are women" and it lit her tf up. She still thinks it's an exclusively white transbian thing but the seed has been planted. And videos like the one you posted I think will definitely start to peak black women more. We're used to TS Madison types, but if you (general you) start exposing Nikita Dragon types and make it clear they're pretty much male Kardashians (appropriators/thieves who shit on black women competing for black men's attention) then we've got a GC stew going.

[–]Kai_Decadence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice to hear that your partner didn't take what you showed her lightly and even if she didn't fully peak, like you said the seed has been planted and when she sees more of this gross mentality towards black women from these trans-identified men, she'll eventually come around. It's like once you start seeing this kinda stuff, you become more acutely observant when you see it

I actually went back to the video and filtered the comments by "newest" and there actually some black women who were getting peaked so yeah, I think this video and another one that I saw pop up by another black woman creator talking about Nikita Dragun (though I haven't watched that one yet), this is all good to see.