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[–]lefterfield 42 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 0 fun43 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It appears to be trying to posit that GNC feminists are conservative/racist/religious, given that the majority of relevant questions are about racism, conservative thought patterns, or religious justification for opposition to trans ideology. None of it shows any understanding of the actual GC or radical feminist position, and no questions are asked about political beliefs/ideology not based on superficial conservatism or religious modes of thought. This is disingenuous and has no real interest in understanding gender critical or radical feminist thought.

[–]Spikygrasspod 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for checking it out.

[–]GenderCriticalStudy[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

that's your interpretation of these questions. these questions are there to test a hypothesis, and to show if Gender Critical Feminists are actually authoritarian and racist as claimed by many TRAs. I don't understand why you think these questions imply that Gender Critical Feminists are a certain way, when these questions are there to prove whether they are that way or not.

[–]lefterfield 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The questions are ALL of a particular slant, and read like they were written by someone who believes there are only two possible choices: 1. People are liberal, non-racist, irreligious, and support everything the trans movement says, or 2. People are conservative, racist, religious, and hate trans people. If you really want to understand the psychology of GC feminists, then ask more diverse, nuanced questions that don't presuppose one or the other option. If all you want to know is "are GC feminists conservative, racist, and religious," that could be answered in less than 100+ questions. Just... ask.

[–]Comatoast 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You cannot properly test a hypothesis this way. You have no basis of criterium that decides what a gender critical feminist even is, and you've left access to every tom, dick, and shitposter on the internet to play havoc with your aggregated data.

[–]slushpilot 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Many of the questions present false dichotomies and kafka-traps that can't be honestly answered. I got about halfway through it and gave up. For example:

"God created two sexes only"

Yes there are two sexes, but I don't know why religion is supposed to have anything to do with it. I "strongly agree" with biological fact, but also "strongly disagree" that this is some kind of belief. Conflating the two things is a non-sequitur. So what do you expect someone is supposed to answer there?

[–]IridescentAnaconda 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Part of science is understanding the context of the question you are asking. This involves at least a literature review, but I imagine that for controversial social topics that are currently in flux, it might also involve more direct methods (e.g. qualitative analysis of social media, but I can't say for sure since my field is in the biological sciences and not sociology). The framing of the questions in this survey suggests that the investigators do not really understand the totality of the gender critical perspective, i.e. how someone can both identify as a leftist and be critical of trans ideology. (For the record I am not a leftist and not a radical feminist, so I'm probably more of what the investigators have in mind, but I find it profoundly problematic that they have failed to perceive one entire wing of the gender critical movement, exactly the wing that is going to negate the hypothesis being tested.)

[–]luckystar 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The questions are very awkward and many of them are written in a way where it's not possible to agree OR disagree. Is this for a school project or something?

[–]owmygenderfeels 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is obviously hostile to the people you're surveying. There is no way to even answer the questions for the sake of letting our stance be known when they are so loaded and ignorant, disingenuous and phrased entirely in terms of TRA jargon and a TRA understanding of the world.

[–]uwushallnotpass 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There are three axes that this survey is apparently trying to measure: (i) fascist attitudes ("What this country needs is a stiff dose of law and order"), (ii) racism (a whole page with stereotypical assertions of racists) and (iii) conspiracy theories ("Reporters, scientists, and government officials are involved in a conspiracy to cover up important information about the trans agenda").

The other questions are mostly completely impossible to answer, along the lines of "have you stopped beating your wife": "God made two sexes and two sexes only." - I can't answer yes, because I don't believe in god. I can't answer no, because there are clearly only two sexes. "It is morally wrong for a woman to present herself as a man in public." - women can wear whatever they like, but that doesn't mean they look like men, because almost none of them do. "Men who act like women should be ashamed of themselves." - what does it mean to "act like a woman"? What does this mean? "Individuals should be allowed to express their gender freely." - again, what on earth does this mean? Men and women can wear whatever they like, but if I agree that they're "expressing their gender" then this apparently means I agree with the idea that gender is a real thing that can be expressed?

There are lots of these very manipulative questions, which are clearly not designed to find out about the real attitudes of GC feminists. The other massive problem is that this survey seems to be open to everyone on the internet, so the results are not going to be meaningful in any way. At first I thought this was low-effort trolling, but someone has clearly gone to a lot of trouble to set this up, so I'm not sure what this is all about.

[–]luckystar 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah these questions are odd, I think the OP has radfems mixed up with like... conservative Bible thumpers.
The God question annoyed me too lol.

What I found especially funny is all the questions being like "Would it make you ANGRY and VIOLENT if a man were to wear a dress?". Like (A) No we think that is fine that is literally the entire point; (B) show me even one case of a radical feminist being violent to anyone, trans or otherwise.

[–]SameOldBS 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is the survey person American? I've had encounters with US peeps on Twitter who seem completely unable to understand that most British GC peeps have no connection to the religious right as we don't really have a powerful religious right lobby in the UK. They insist that we are part of that lobby anyway. It's utterly bizarre, as if they can't imagine the whole world isn't a reflection of US society.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's utterly bizarre, as if they can't imagine the whole world isn't a reflection of US society.

Another downside of this sort of simplistic pigeon-holing is that it's giving many people in the UK the mistaken impression that the religious right in the US is "a reflection of US society" as a whole. Which it isn't. I'm from the US, but I relate much more to the GC UK women on mumsnet, Twitter and other platforms than I do to US Bible-thumpers. Even the US conservatives and Republicans I know tend to be secular, tolerant of different sexualities, in favor of women's rights and pretty neutral on abortion - they're nothing like the dogmatic, homophobic religious reactionaries epitomized by organizations like Westboro and many evangelical sects and the most traditional Mormons.

I despair when I read threads on Mumsnet AIBU that portray all/most Americans as right-wing religious nuts.

[–]SheepleArePeople2 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. Yeah. It’s very clear that this survey was designed by a very hateful and closed minded person.

The survey seems to not be thought out properly. Terribly flawed and very poorly executed. I suspect this person is very young and hasn’t finished their mental development yet.

[–]Spikygrasspod 21 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Results: GC feminists are suspicious as fuck, and rightly so.

[–]Comatoast 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And then treated like conspiracy theorists about it evidently.

[–]anonymale 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

First post from that username, page is at freeonlinesurveys.com, seems legit.

[–]anonymale 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Aaand it’s gone.

[–]GenderCriticalStudy[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

well I did make the account specifically to post the study. online surveys are extremely common in psychology, I don't know what's supposedly not legit about freeonlinesurveys.com

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

online surveys are extremely common in psychology

Which is one of the reasons psychology and the study of it have become such jokes.

[–]coffeedrinker 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actual trained psychologists will at least make an effort to limit biased wording in questions, unlike OP.

[–]Spikygrasspod 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's a political movement, not a psychological trait. Why would you need to study it?

[–]GenderCriticalStudy[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

do you think the psychology of political movements is not something worth of studying?

[–]MarkTwainiac 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your peculiar phrasing - "the psychology of political movements" - suggests you think political movements have a psychology. Which doesn't inspire confidence in your scholarly and intellectual abilities.

To answer your question: sure, the psychology of people in/drawn to various political movements is worth studying. Many intelligent, insightful scholars over time such as Robert Jay Lifton, Hannah Arendt and more recently people like Jonathan Haidt have done this. Many journalists and writers have done this too using very different methods - including Tom Wolfe with "radical chic" in the 1960s and Ariel Levy in/circa 2005 with "Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture."

But to properly study people and understand their psychology, you've got to use legitimate methods, not junk surveys full of loaded, biased questions that most intelligent people won't be able to answer.

To properly study and understand the psychology of anyone requires talking to them in depth, really listening to what they have to say - and doing so with an open mind. Whoever put that survey together seems neither interested nor capable of doing any of this.

[–]Spikygrasspod 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can if you want. I'm suspicious, given the ubiquity of appallingly misleading strawmen of GC feminism, that you intend to pathologise feminists without understanding their views.

[–]penelopekitty 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How bizarre, what psychology? Gender critical feminism, which is essentially radical feminism, is a movement that states that women's oppression is rooted in our actual or perceived reproductive capacity (biology.) The tool used to oppress women is gender. Gendered stereotypes, specifically those deemed feminine, are treated as inferior to masculine stereotypes.

Being critical of the socially constructed idea of gender (not sex,) pre-dates the explosion in numbers of trans people by decades. All radical feminists would describe themselves as accepting and encouraging of people defying gendered norms. In fact, many GC feminists are gender non-conforming themselves/

We do recognize that it is impossible to change sex and that a man can never become a woman. Furthermore, we recognize that we cannot "identify" out of our oppression by calling ourselves men or adopting masculine gender stereotypes and that it is highly offensive for our oppressor (men) to think they can identify into an oppressed class of people (women) and claim spaces and rights we fought very hard for and only recently won as their own.

Whoever, developed this survey has no idea what they are talking about.

[–]SameOldBS 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs and their allies have to believe we're just deluded otherwise they'd have to listen to our arguments. It's a kind of mass projection, because of course they're the ones that are anti-science and willing to believe delusions like men can literally become women.

[–]OrangeFirefly 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This survey does not say what its purpose is or what institution is behind it.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's because it is probably not supported by any legitimate grant or institution, and the likely purpose is to demonize the gender critical position.

[–]vitunrotta 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I have taken Buzzfeed quizzes that have less false dichotomies than this BS. Most of the questions are fully loaded with very suspicious pre-assumptions. Nobody with half a brain cell would be able to take this survey and give honest answers, as one can easily agree with ONE part of a question (such as the "God created only two sexes) and wholly disagree with ANOTHER part of it. So the answer you'd get would be inaccurate one way or the other, for most GC's at least.

Sounds like pathetic TRA baiting to me, in order to finally (... and falsely) prove that GC feminists are nothing but hateful, fundamentally religious, violent bigots who want to murder all transpeople. What a load of crap! Go troll somewhere else, OP.

[–]fuckingsealions 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If participants have further questions about this study or their rights, or if they wish to lodge a complaint or concern, they may contact us via

Blank? Uh who even is this

[–]slushpilot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I strongly suspect this survey was designed to be completed only by religious conservative types, and abandoned as incomplete by reasonable people who find the questions to be nonsensical or offensive.

Hence the survey creates the conclusion that it seeks: "100% of GC feminists are racists & right-wing bigots". Also, very few of the questions had to do with "psychology".

I smell a troll.

[–]moody_ape 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i love when trolls try to troll us and get nothing. keep it coming, it's quite amusing!

[–]strawberryfields4evr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL, bye.