"Reddit’s Banned Hate Groups Are Still Here": The Atlantic magazine tries (not very hard) to understand WTF that purge was all about

vitunrotta · 2020-12-08T21:32:19+00:00

Reading this made my blood boil AND also allowed me to cackle like a lunatic. What utter tosh!

Quote from the article: "On these sites and others, they use many of the same trolling tactics as other internet-based fringe political movements to disrupt conversation, skew reality, and make the internet another dangerous place for trans women through doxing and harassment."

(First off lady, doxxing is more known to be spelled with two X's but I guess writing that down would make you a transphobe, huh? Because of the XX... Because women you know...? Eh? No? Ok I'll quit this dumb joke right here.)

Anyway WHAT in the ever-loving FUDGE PUDDLE did I just read? It's radfems/GC's doxxing and bullying and skewing reality? Harassing people online? Outing people? Cancelling the wrong-think? Uh-uh. Sure it is.

Who is this wokester. Her "accusations" sound like somebody threw an incel in a wash machine, tossed some acid in for a good measure and tumbled for 8h straight. I wish I had never read this hot pile of garbage. SMH

vitunrotta · 2020-11-06T01:23:13+00:00

Don't stop the fight regardless.

vitunrotta · 2020-11-05T03:28:46+00:00

Nothing is lost. It's a defeat but the fight is not lost, damn it! Now the real fight BEGINS. Do not lose heart. Do not lose faith.

I hope people start to get together and really try their best to do the "lobbying" (ugh, hate the word and the concept but in this case I will let it fly...) with their representatives, or however you call them in the U.S. Starting from the grass root level as a bigger movement should work way better than getting one single person in the house/senate, for example. It has to be a mass of people - not just one. I must admit the U.S. voting system is absolute bonkers to many outsiders - myself included - so if I misinterpreted some very crucial points, please let me know.

Heads high! Keep fighting!

Best regards, A Person From Outside Who Also Cannot Believe Almost 50% Of The Votes Are For DONALD TRUMP*

*What the fuck?!

vitunrotta · 2020-11-02T02:58:20+00:00

Hackerwoman face intensifies That might make sense. :D Still don't get why the link only works for some - I just see the pic and it leads directly to the comments. AHHH well, enough of social media mysteries for a day, hopefully peeps can find the pic & comments whichever way!

vitunrotta · 2020-11-02T02:49:12+00:00

For those who cannot see the link for whatever reason, here are a few comments (which have thus far garnered hundreds, in some cases more than a thousand likes each - names of the commentators have been erased, I hope this goes with the rules of the GC platform):

"Woman or girl is NOT an identity. It’s a biological fact. And it is one that renders us vulnerable, from birth, to male assumption of ownership over our bodies and us. And it isn’t our job to cater to and mother everyone. WTF. You have lost your signal. You are lost, and you’re messing up another generation of young people. Good job. Really."

"Feminist role is to protect and promote womens equality not to make everyone else comfortable that's called misogyny when women are expected to put themselves last"

"A reminder of the definition of Feminism. Un-women needs to stop supporting the dangerous gender Ideology and remember woman = Adult Human Female"

"It is our role as feminists to act as mommies and hostesses and make everyone feel safe and included." See how sexist that is? Wrong, UN Women. Our role as feminists is to fight for the liberation of female human beings."

"'Women's work', eh? To be indoctrinated and emotionally blackmailed into putting themselves last to ensure everyone else's happiness and comfort since time began... Please focus on helping people to learn how to take responsibility for their own emotional needs. Women are busy."

vitunrotta · 2020-11-02T02:41:10+00:00

Good :)

It is weird though how many people can NOT see it (and I couldn't find the post by searching their page, for example) and for some it opens as intended. Geez, Facepalm is truly a mystery.

vitunrotta · 2020-11-02T02:37:01+00:00

Odd! I linked this to a few friends also and they couldn't see it at all. Well, it's Suckerberg's creation, who's to know how all of this works...

vitunrotta · 2020-11-02T00:01:02+00:00

You still see the post? I do as well when I open the link (which I suppose did not work for everyone, for unknown reasons) yet when I go to the FB/Twitter feed it seems to have been... deleted?!

Unsure what happened there. In any case the comments brought me back to life.

vitunrotta · 2020-11-01T21:15:58+00:00

They took the post down on FB it seems. And Twitter. Can't find it. But I am yet to see any explanation - or them addressing the MANY concerns women raised due to the original post.

vitunrotta · 2020-11-01T21:09:57+00:00

Was just checking their Twitter - this is a partial, but direct quote from their post (29th of October):

empower female #refugees

end female genital mutilation

advance #genderequality

address gender impact of #COVID19

prevent #genderbasedviolence

support indigenous communities

develop women's IT skills

I highlighted the parts I truly do not get. "Address gender impact" what the what? What does that even mean? For reals? Advance gender equality? In their words, if you're a woman - just hunker down on your vageegee and carry the weight of a teensy weensy minority's issues. Because WIMIN! We were meant to suffer.

Prevent gender based violence? Did you mean violence against women or what is going on with UN Women?

Not for women or girls anymore, that's for sure. They drank the Kool-Aid.

Edit: structure

vitunrotta · 2020-11-01T20:59:51+00:00

I did have an impolite chuckle over how the name sounds like, I admit... UNWOMEN indeed.

vitunrotta · 2020-11-01T20:58:29+00:00

Sorry! I tried and tried to find out a way to post a link that would work and... didn't manage. Not sure what went wrong. But you can see the original post and the comments if you check the UN Women page on Facebook, and scroll down until you reach the 27th of October.

vitunrotta · 2020-11-01T00:44:00+00:00

Touché ;)

vitunrotta · 2020-11-01T00:42:53+00:00

Joo, se jotenkin pysäytti ja sai aikaan muutoksia (oman pään sisällä) yht'aikaa. PS. Mahtava käyttäjänimi. :D

vitunrotta · 2020-10-21T21:38:27+00:00

vitunrotta · 2020-10-21T21:38:13+00:00

Thanks for the links!

Just to note - I would never and have never conflated the countries - I have lived with, worked with and made friends with people from each and every Nordic country, and while there are vast differences... there is also a huge amount of similarities. It makes a lot more sense to speak to people from countries that are MUCH more similar to mine (=Nordic countries) rather than trying to compare Finland to the U.S., for example. I'm sure you get what I mean :)

I think it's best to try to do research elsewhere. I do really want to hear from GC people living in these countries. Nevertheless, again thank you for your contribution. Always appreciated.

vitunrotta · 2020-10-07T22:35:41+00:00

May I just applaud this comment for some 45 minutes (approximately the time men think it takes to take care of all of this, spanned in a week's time.)

vitunrotta · 2020-10-07T22:31:48+00:00

we are not prey

PREACH.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-30T01:53:57+00:00

(Still glad he spoke out, just to be clear!)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-30T01:53:03+00:00

Ah! Why didn’t he just go with the famous “I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal-food-trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”

vitunrotta · 2020-09-25T12:50:53+00:00

Sorry 😂❤️

vitunrotta · 2020-09-25T11:18:18+00:00

After some pretty dreary months (both personally and globally) this absolutely MADE MY DAY. I am in awe. Excellent work! Will raise a glass today in honor of all the organizations, parents and individuals who made this happen. :)

This is further proof that fighting back can and WILL work. Let's keep at it!

vitunrotta · 2020-09-25T10:17:08+00:00

I'm sorry to hear about your shitty ex. Then again, gladly he is an ex now.

I really don't know if talking back to a psychologically(/emotionally) abusive spouse will help. As we know, women are most prone to violence in their own homes. I don't know what your situation was exactly, but it might have been a good idea to NOT say anything. There's a good chance your ex could have started using physical violence when his mental torture wouldn't work anymore.

I hope you're okay and safe now!

vitunrotta · 2020-09-25T10:13:22+00:00

Thank you for sharing! Just like you said: what you wear does not matter at all. I've been leered at when I've worn a dress, baggy clothes, gym outfit, whatever. It truly doesn't make a difference.

And what you said about owning your body is crucial in my opinion. I happen to live in a country where the weather can get crazy hot - so obviously I dress accordingly. I'm not going to cover up and try to move around like goddamn Batman in the shadows when it's +35C outside. These past months I've worn some lovely summer clothes for example, some of them quite fitted indeed. And I looked good, not afraid to say it! But my body was now my possession only - and my frame of mind was "I bloody own these streets and you asshats will move aside." And sure enough - they did.

An attractive woman who gives zero fucks (& swears like a pirate) seems to be the most intimidating type to these chauvinists. There's some odd satisfaction in owning my body completely and breezing through the streets, and seeing how it's the guys now that look almost... afraid. Cackles

vitunrotta · 2020-09-25T09:58:03+00:00

Great! And yes - at least from my extensive personal experience I can tell that attitude counts for 99%. I guess physical size might make some men more apprehensive but it absolutely does not deter them. In fact, I'd wager that they can use size as a reason to harass also: if you don't "look like a real woman" or whatever BS. Height or weight (or combination of both) can be easily used against a woman too, there are plenty of examples of this if you just check the comments on an Instagram account of any tall/big woman.

As mentioned it certainly was not an easy exercise but damn, was it worth it. And like another user stated: fake it 'til you make it. Enough practice and eventually you're likely reach the moment where you really don't give a fuck anymore. :)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-25T01:25:41+00:00

Wow, thank you! Perfect is a bit too much to say but whatever! I'll take it.

It's past 2AM where I live now - I am in the twilight zone... Mm, the mind-bending reality we live in now - like we're all stuck in an airport hours before the flight and there aren't even any planes in sight. What a year.

Will PM you tomorrow. :) (Or wait - later today? Aghh, I need some sleep.)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T21:47:27+00:00

How about NOW? I'll say, let's just add the hieroglyphs in there as well! Make it fun! Make it historical! Make it hysterectomial! /s

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T21:42:17+00:00

Good for you, too. :) I am pretty much the same height also, so here's a "high" (distanced) five for shorties! And yes... They go for the one that looks the weakest to them. Always. I wanted to add a parable of this in my text - but then I thought: I'm not gonna compare animals to these simpletons! The top of the food chain indeed, if we talked about the line-up to McDonald's...

But like you said, just that fact alone made you become fiercer. I also shout back nowadays if some bonehead thinks it's alright to tell me how I look. And I have some ~vocabulary~, baby. Once I walked by two dudes and while they didn't really shout at me I heard what they were saying. Pretty nasty stuff. I walked backed and burped on their faces. (I know how to fake burp the entire alphabet, thank you big brothers!) That shut them up at least. Small victories...!

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T21:29:41+00:00

Love that.

It takes so much courage just to overcome the "fake" bravery and reach the real one. Keep going strong.

There are so many girls and women who won't ever even make it to the "fake it 'til you make it" level. That saddens me. And makes me angrier. Well - more resources for me to talk the talk and walk the fucking walk. Very aggressively. We won't give up, will we? ;)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T21:24:55+00:00

First of all - thank you! It has been kind of a Mad Max: FURIOSA Road, and yet I am content I reached this moment, though it took some time.

The Karen meme has been extremely conflicting to me. I know there are loads of people in the U.S. who are massive, gaping, racist assholes, as we've seen - but I am yet to see a single video of a MAN doing the same. It's always the KAREN. KAREN is horrible, terrible, not good, very bad.

Let's be real here though - the "Karens" in these videos are belligerent racists. But hum? It's suddenly only women (who are also a tad older) that are racist cretins? I think not. But you know - we're women. So even systemic racism in the U.S. can be pinpointed on one singular group of people: Soccer Moms™. People with vaginas. Persons with ovaries. Humans with menopause. Name it.

My question is: where the hell is mister "I have as big of a spine as I have a neckline" Mitch McConnell, for example? How come THIS absolute nincompoop, buttonhead, nitwit of a man gets a free pass in all of this? (Hint: it's between his legs. Even writing that made me shiver a bit, in all honesty. Ugh. I thought of his nether areas for a millisecond and nearly barfed.)

Oh wait, I know. It's because "women raised their sons to be Brett Kavanaughs and Brock Turners. Hurr durr." Well if that is the case, I BEG the question: where the hell was the father then? And if the father was not able to be there, what was the reason? Perhaps inequality when it comes to parental leave? Hm? Expensive, inaccessible daycares? Or maybe - just maybe - the entire invention of the almighty internet created imbeciles such as Turner. I digress, I am on a rant mode. Very little coherence here.

(Please note, these "questions" are hypothetical only, because we all know who are to blame for all of these things. WIMIN. I am also probably blamed for not "raising this generation right" even though I do not have any children.)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T20:08:22+00:00

Tried googling Tatsuya Ishida, came up with pretty much nothing.

Taken that the early works mix up certain cultural ideas of e.g. God, I’d say whoever the artist is has a mixed background. And yet - I don’t know. Does it even matter really? Tatsuya is on point regardless. 💪🏻

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T18:44:08+00:00

are we going to let them have them?

NO.

I am not from the U.S. or Canada - not sure how I could personally help. Any suggestions are welcome!

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T12:42:44+00:00

Please post the data here as well! :)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-24T12:14:06+00:00

The website has been all over the news now - just google "JK Rowling shop." A massive list of all kinds of news sites stating JK Rowling is promoting transphobic stuff will appear.

Thanks for that! Now I know exactly where to go & place some TERFy orders! This is the site, btw: https://wildwomynworkshop.com/

vitunrotta · 2020-09-22T11:55:10+00:00

due to being from another planet

Spotted another celebrity gender. This is most definitely Tom Cruise.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-22T11:27:39+00:00

Gigagender sounds like Trump.

A VERY BIG GENDER... YUUUUGE...

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T22:03:01+00:00

libfems are not feminists.

I will crochet this shit and sell it to Gwyneth Paltrow.

Then I'll wait how long it takes for her to purify her nether regions by shoving it up her hoo-haa.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T19:07:02+00:00

What to do? Speak out. On social media, and real life. Act out.

Agree 100%. And yet - with all this novel Coronavirus going around, it seems even harder to reach out to people: real, living humans. Just an example, the last time I met a friend in person was in April (distanced meeting!) and whooo boy, it has certainly impacted me. I'm not from the U.S. and I don't live in my home country anymore - it seems almost impossible to fight for anything. Who should I turn to? I don't look anything like a "radfem" myself, to begin with. (I'll post about this in the near future). I personally feel like I'm caught in a web - we all probably feel like this in one way or the other... But I do not know which direction to go.

My very easy-peasy solution so far has been deleting Facebook and also reporting every single ad on Instagram as "irrelevant." Then, sometimes, I come here and see there are still at least a couple of reasonable people on this planet. Yet I don't want to wrap myself in a bubble, so I try to (when I feel I have the energy for it) check the news, from various sites. It's crucial to try to understand what the so called other side sees, and why. What are the motivations for a person to love Trump, for example, or to blatantly hate any and every immigrant? I tend to think that the "basket of deplorables" as a single comment, for example, from HRC was very unwise and... downright stupid. And then everything started to spread like a wildfire.

I do not understand how to fight something I don't even know. So for me the best solution is to put everything in somewhat manageable boxes, and see what I can personally do with each thing. I cannot fight everything, nor do I wish to do that. Nowadays it does seem though that you're obliged to have an opinion on everything, and then you have to stick with it: god knows there is no mercy for people who see their past mistakes and try to correct their course. CANCELLED!

I do worry a lot about the younger generations who do not know a world without the ah, so amazing internet. I have younger people who are close to me that are most likely very susceptible to all kinds of horseshit the wonderful web will greedily advertise to them.

P.S. The Contact was made - my cat sat on my phone to show absolute dominance. Never trust a cat - but do love them with all you got :)

Edit: GODDAMN grammar, geez. Also, used the word "everything" too many times in a row. I will go sit on the naughty step now. Gladly I can have my wine glass there too, ha.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T18:29:50+00:00

Indeed. The TRA in a nutshell.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T17:40:11+00:00

Trans: DETECTED. 🆘

The more I read, the more I think this is superb trolling. Kudos to whoever had the patience to create this...

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T17:29:12+00:00

Ah, now that’s better. Very un-human-sounding.

Whoever made these “genders” is a genius though. There is such an impressive amount of nonsense and deliciously wishy-washy terms it’ll be something I’m going to use if/when someone starts to talk smack about womanhood etc. 😈

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T14:01:39+00:00

This is from his bio:

"Sex traits/bodily variation: altersex/altsex DMAB (designated masculine at birth), fertile, testicular, predominantly testosteronized"

...Just use man, dude. Testicular really got me. What should I be - boobicular?

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T14:00:08+00:00

I bloody hope so. We live in the Upside Down now, who's to know?! :D

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T01:46:35+00:00

Sounds pretty believable to me. Backtracking as much as they can, while also trying to be the Wokest News. Harrumph.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-21T01:26:58+00:00

My jaw dropped (so far I haven’t found it yet) when I saw this piece.

Then again, as mentioned, the writer is from The Observer. In any case, I will give the world’s tiniest applause to The Guardian for having the imaginary balls to actually put this up on THEIR website.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-19T14:39:22+00:00

Mutta joku nainenpa saattaa, samoin kun joku mies voi olla kiinnostunut esim. trendivaatteista.

Tämä on vähän jännää termeillä leikittelyä sinänsä, että en usko kovinkaan monen ihmisen oikeasti "tuntevan" sukupuoltaan - se on ihan vain tiedostettu fakta useimmille. Mielenkiinnon kohteet, esim. juuri traktorit, usein yhdistetään miehiin/miehisyyteen. Sitten voidaankin pohtia, onko se täysin sisäsyntyistä, ja kuinka paljon yhteiskunnan normisto sukupuolirooleille määrittelee sen, mistä ns. saa olla miehenä kiinnostunut. En tiedä, onko tästä mitään pidemmän aikavälin tutkimusta tms. saatavilla.

Genderkriittiset naiset/ihmiset/feministit kritisoivat nimenomaan sitä, että jos vaikkapa minä olisin pikkutyttönä leikkinyt autoilla (mitä teinkin), se nähdään nyt selkeästi POIKAMAISENA käytöksenä - eli jämähtäneitä sukupuolirooleja vain vahvistetaan.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T21:28:05+00:00

Yes! ❤️💪🏻

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T19:55:13+00:00

I am fun AND nuts, all at once. It’s a great deal! 100% of people recommend! (Small print: to stay away).

I do agree with you though. I fully understand that a lot of people are in figurative handcuffs because while they’d WANT to talk about things, they may risk their jobs, reputation, whatnot. But when those things are not necessarily at stake... don’t apologize. Fight. (Not with fists - words!)

I think it was Terry Pratchett (RIP) who said something along the lines “if you’re not angry, then you haven’t been paying enough attention.”

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T19:29:43+00:00

To clarify: call yourself a female/woman. Unfortunately you may receive some backlash for this but don’t shy away.

No battle was ever won easily. Keep your head and mind and be assertive. Is it fair? No. Do it anyway. For your own good, and the good of others as well.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T19:25:14+00:00

Personally, I would say it is incredibly offensive to make me a CIS-something when I am, in fact, the real thing.

The minuscule amount of people who are not a-OK with their genders are the ones who need the prefix. Not us.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T19:23:01+00:00

Ahah. Where I live the gendercraze hasn’t gone to those levels yet but... if they will, I’m prepared to say “I identify as a MAN so whatever I say from this moment on will be considered assertive and strong, not aggressive.”

Then they’ll have to deal with a man instead of a ~hysterically weird woman who is not afraid to speak her (oops! his) mind~.

No worries, I know it would/will backfire but damn do I want to try these maddening tactics... 👹

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T16:28:41+00:00

Sounds about Mike. 🤓

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T15:11:06+00:00

Hei, tämä olikin itseasiassa erinomainen pointti. Kun asiaa tarkemmin ajattelen, niin teen itse samaa. Olen paljon tarkempi esim. siinä, miten ja mistä asioista vitsailen, mille vitseille nauran, mistä aiheista puhun ylipäätään (miesten kanssa). Omalle kohdalleni on osunut liikaakin miehiä, jotka käsittävät jo 0.2 sekunnin katsekontaktinkin vähintään lupauksena avioliitosta, että olen kai syystäkin aika varovainen tätä nykyä.

Miehillä tuntuu olevan jokin sisäsyntyinen oletus siitä, että jos nainen käyttäytyy kohteliaasti ja on ystävällinen, hän on kiinnostunut. Ehkä tämä on katala yleistys, voi olla. Naisten kanssa on helpompi jutella (jos oletetaan, että he suostuvat ylipäätään puhumaan minulle - esim. juuri nämä paikalliset, jokseenkin nihkeät mimmit. :D) Ei ole sitä outoa piinaavaa fiilistä, että jos nyt hymyilen jollekin kommentille, niin seuraa 2 vuoden stalkkaaminen ja niin edelleen.

Kokemuksemme saattavat olla hieman erilaiset, mikä on toki luonnollista koska olemme kaksi eri ihmistä. :) Mutta koen samaistuvani ainakin jollain tasolla tuohon, mitä sanoit.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T14:48:00+00:00

Omassa perheessäni vahva uskovainen tausta oli omiaan vaikuttamaan siihen, kuinka tyttöihin ja poikiin suhtauduttiin. Tytöt tiskaamaan ja auttelemaan äitiä kotitöissä, pojat saivat huidella menemään. Meidän taloudessamme oli kylläkin kaikenlaisia muitakin ongelmia kuin vain naisvihainen kulttimainen uskonto, mutta koska olemme netissä, jätän yksityiskohdat sikseen... 🤓

Muusuja en ole täällä nähnyt, mutta ei se toki sitä tarkoita, etteikö heitä olisi. Olen ollut huomaavinani, että mitä patriarkaalisempi ja arkaaisempi kulttuuri, sitä vähemmän naiset katselevat mitään naislarppaamista. Ymmärrettävää siinä(kin) mielessä, että useissa maissa naisten asema on heikko alunperinkin, ja sitten jotkut 100% biologiset miehet yrittävät viedä ne vähätkin edut, mistä naiset ovat kynsin hampain taistelleet - ja taistelevat yhä. Ns. edistyksellisimmissä maissa naiset taas suhtautuvat ilmiöön ah, niin kovin ymmärtäväisesti (ja samaan hengenvetoon ovat vaatimassa TERFejä hirteen, hah). Viimeisimmän todistin ihan omin silmin Rennossa Feminismiryhmässä, kunnes minut vihdoin about 6kk jäsenyyden jälkeen potkaistiin vittuun ilman selityksiä. 😅 Taisin kyseenalaistaa liikaa. Ei ollut suuri menetys, se...

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T14:34:13+00:00

Siltähän se lähinnä vaikuttaa, jos siis puhutaan aikuisista miehistä jotka ovat löytäneet tämän "maagisen" naiseuden tunteen. Se on lähinnä glitteriä, korkokenkiä, huulipunaa ja hameita. Siinä on naiseuden ydin.

Kuten vuoden nainen Caitlyn Jenner älykkäästi kommentoi, kun häneltä kysyttiin, mikä on hankalinta naiseudessa (tjsp.): "päättää, mitä pistää päälle." Ollapa miljoona kättä, niin voisin tehdä asianmukaisen naamapalmun.

Pakko kylläkin mainita, että se pienenpieni määrä ihmisistä - jotka aivan oikeasti kokevat musertavaa kehodysforiaa, eivätkä yritä larpata naisia ja saada siitä jotain seksuaalisia kiksejä - ovat asia erikseen. Ne, joista olen lukenut, ovat täysin tietoisia siitä, että tämä on päänsisäinen ongelma, mutta siitä ei valitettavasti pääse eroon (ts. ei ole mitään lääkitystä, joka auttaisi dysforiaan, ainakaan vielä). Nämä vanhan koulun transseksuaalit ovat useimmissa tapauksissa käyneet läpi monen vuoden terapiasessiot, jonka jälkeen osa lähtee sitten korjausleikkauksiin. Ja siitäkään huolimatta he eivät väitä olevansa naisia/miehiä. Tärkeintä tuntuisi heille olevan vain elää jokseenkin normaalia elämää siinä vartalossa, johon he olisivat halunneet syntyä. Halusin tämän sanoa erikseen, sillä nykyään enemmistö etenkin transaktivisteista ja niistä hihhuleimmista TRA-cancellaajista näyttävät olevan ennemminkin sitä AGP-sorttia, mutta on kyllä olemassa niitä "aitojakin" transseksuaaleja. Heille kaikki sympatiani, voin vain kuvitella miten kamalaa on katsoa joka päivä peiliin ja vihata kaikkea, mitä siellä näkee.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:56:36+00:00

Let's call him for what he is: a paedophile. Vile man.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:52:53+00:00

Good on you, James! Keep shouting this from the rooftops! He is absolutely spot on.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:49:31+00:00

I'd like to add - having read the book - that Shrier talks to transitioned people (TiF's) and is extremely respectful and polite to them. There isn't a single sentence where she sounds even remotely "phobic" towards these people. It is, unsurprisingly, also these TiF's who feel that ROGD is the "new anorexia" and that it's essentially very harmful to teenage girls, who haven't even had any sexual experiences in their lives. (Many of these young trans-identifying girls haven't even masturbated.)

This just to point out that she is absolutely NOT transphobic but is very concerned about this phenomenon - as one should be. Giving hormone blockers/T freely to teenagers whose brain is still very much developing is nothing short of abuse, in my opinion.

But of course, the lil Wokists won't even look at the book, far less try to read & comprehend it. In their minds it's just terrible fascist propaganda or whatever. Which is funny, because their tactics are very much veering on fascism, not ours...

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:40:30+00:00

Mikä uskomaton yhteensattuma...

Sinäpä sen sanoit. :D Erikoista tosiaan...

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:28:13+00:00

Minä taas tulen isosta perheestä, mutta oma kokemukseni on aika ääripäätä (fundisuskovaiset vanhemmat jne.) joka taas vaikutti vahvasti siihen, kuinka poikia ja tyttöjä perheessämme kohdeltiin. Veikkaan, että ns. normaaleissa perheissä ei ollut aivan niin sukupuolittuneita rooleja.

Tämä keskustelu on kiinnostava siinäkin mielessä, että asuttuani vuosikymmenen ulkomailla en jotenkin osaa ajatellakaan hengailevani isolla naisporukalla (elleivät he kaikki ole muunmaalaisia). Paikalliset naiset hyvin harvoin haluavat tehdä tuttavuutta tällaisen "eksoottisen helmen" kanssa, syitä lienee monia. Sellaista nenänvartta pitkin tuijottelua koen ihan vaikka bussimatkalla tai ruokakaupassa - minut asetetaan nopeasti siksi toiseksi, omasta käytöksestäni riippumatta. Pariskuntien kävellessä ohi yleensä naispuolinen henkilö väläyttää aika tuiman ilmeen, että äläpä minun miestäni vie/katso. (Nykyään tosiaan painelen menemään sillä RBF-naamalla enkä vilkaisekaan vastaantulijoita, mikäli kyseessä on mies + nainen). Se oli aluksi jotenkin tyrmistyttävää, mutta toisaalta täällä jylläävät edelleen vahvasti käsitykset siitä, että kaikki blondit ovat nymfomaanih_r_ja, joita ei muu kiinnosta kuin ihanien tummien miesten perässä juokseminen. Huoh.

Solidaarisuus on aika vähissä täällä, sitä ikävöin kovastikin Suomesta. Ystäväni täällä ovat joko pohjoismaalaisia naisia tai homoja, sillä heille en ole uhka.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:19:07+00:00

Sukupuolittuneet tunteet ovat sukupuolistereotypioiden aikaansaamaa kuvitelmaa siitä, miltä "tuntuu" olla mies/nainen. Oikeastihan mitään tällaista sukupuoliesanssia ei ole olemassakaan. Jos olet mies, kuinka monesti päivässä sinulla on aivan selkeä MIEHINEN tunne? Veikkaisin, että aika harvoin, muutoin kun jos olet esim. tekemisissä (heh) sukupuolielimiesi kanssa.

Homoistahan tässä ei muuten puhuta, seksuaalinen suuntautuminen ja transseksuaalisuus eivät ole mitenkään verrattavissa. LGB-piireissä moni haluaa tipauttaa T:n kokonaan pois, sillä transsukupuolisuus ei liity seksualisiin preferensseihin, vaan siihen, että jotkut (hyvin harvat) ihmiset kokevat kehodysforiaa - eli että olisivat syntyneet väärään vartaloon. Viehättyminen samasta sukupuolesta ei ole mielenterveyden häiriö. Näin ohiksena.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T10:13:30+00:00

Niinpä. Toki jotkut naiset saattavat tuntea tämän naiseuden syvimmän olemuksen, mutta veikkaanpa, että näissäkin tapauksissa tämä tunne liittyy juurikin esim. imettämiseen tai muuhun hyvin biologiseen toimintaan. Mihinkään ~naiseuden sielun~ tuputukseen en kyllä aio kuunaan hairahtua.

Niin, ja - transsukupuolisuuttahan ei tähän päivään mennessä ole voitu mitenkään fyysisesti todistaa, joka taas tukee ajatusta siitä, että kyseessä on mielenterveydellinen häiriö. Aivokuvissa jne. ei siis ole näkynyt minkäänlaisia poikkeamia, jotka "todistaisivat" tämän tunnetilan oikeaksi (väärän kehon tuntemus).

vitunrotta · 2020-09-18T00:01:33+00:00

Puolukoista ei puhettakaan. 100g vadelmiakin maksaa oikeasti melkein 5€. Jäänyt marjojen syöminen jostain syystä vähemmälle. :D

Jos karpalomehua satun jostain löytämään (täällä lähes kaikki mehut/tiivisteet ym. ovat ihan kamalaa sokerimössöä) niin kokeilen sillä! Kiitos vinkistä! Mannasuurimot piti muiluttaa Suomesta, niitä ei täältä myöskään löydy. Saapa nähdä, ovatko suurimon surkimukset enää käyttökelpoisia, kunhan jostain kulmakaupan ylähyllyltä vihdoin bongaan karpalomehua...

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T23:25:57+00:00

Mielipiteitä täytyykin jakaa, ja odotan mielenkiinnolla mitä mieltä olet asiasta syvemminkin. Henkilökohtaiset kokemukset ovat omiaan joko vahvistamaan tai heikentämään tiettyjä tuntemuksia. Luulen ymmärtäväni, mitä ajat takaa, mutta en lähde tässä erikseen arvailemaan.

Kirjoita ihmeessä lisää, jos/kun haluat laajentaa ajatuksiasi. Tämä ei tietääkseni ole mikään "VÄÄRÄ MIELIPIDE! ROVIOLLE!" -sivusto, joten ei hätää. Lopulta on kiva pitkästä aikaa vaihdella mielipiteitä ja kokemuksia toisten naisten kanssa.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T23:05:09+00:00

Ei kuulostanut miltään -splainingilta, ei huolta!

Kuten sanoitkin, kylmäkiskoisuus - tai se kuuluisa RBF (resting bitch face) - on jo tavallaan pakostikin osa persoonaani, jopa siinä määrin, että esim. uudessa työpaikassa minut nähdään yleensä ylimielisenä, ylpeänä kusipäänä. Tosiasiassa olen erittäin stressialtis tilanteissa, joissa olen ns. näyttämöllä - ja ahdistukseni näyttäytyy muille usein vain jonain kokoomusnuoren epämukavana tuntemuksena istua samassa tilassa työväen ihmisten kanssa. Heh. Tietäisivätpä vain. Ulkopuolisille olen kylmäkiskoinen ämmä, pään sisällä jylläävät hirveät angstit ja epävarmuudet.

Tuli kyllä itsellenikin yllätyksenä aivan jatkuva huutelu, osoittelu ja solvaaminen, vähättely ja huorittelu (kun esimerkiksi näytin sitä kuuluisaa keskisormea joillekin mölöttäjille). Tässä kymmenen vuoden aikana olen vihdoin oppinut ottamaan tilani: tästä kirjoitan ehkä pidemminkin, koska se soljuu myös tähän TRA-aktivistien yritykseen ottaa naisilta tila (ja happi) pois kauttaaltaan.

Kyllä mä Suomessakin koin jotain lähmimistä baareissa ja jonkun känni-Jonnen huutelua silloin tällöin, mutta on tämä meininki täällä aivan erilaista Suomeen verrattuna. Kun viimeksi siellä kävin, oli jotenkin outoa vain olla.

Kukaan ei katsonut, tuijottanut, huudellut, yrittänyt "vikitellä" jne. Jos jotain kotimaastani kaipaan (i), niin nimenomaan sitä ihanaa tunnetta kulkea omissa oloissani, ilman sitä jatkuvaa takaraivossa sykkivää tunnetta: katso taaksesi, katso eteesi, katso sivuillesi, kuuntele. Ne pari kertaa kun lähiaikoina kävin lenkkeilemässä illalla (ei täällä +35C lämmössä oikein haluta juoksennella keskellä päivää) pidin kyllä kuulokkeet korvilla ja kuuntelin jotain 80-luvun powerrockia... Ja samalla oli silti pakko toljottaa eteen, taakse ja takavasemmalle kuin olisin joku hemmetin huuhkaja 360-astetta pyörivän pääni kanssa.

Rentouttavaa ulkoilua kerrassaan. :D Tulipahan hyvät niskavenyttelyt tehtyä samalla?!

(i) Kaipaan myös järvessä uintia, syksyä, salmiakkia, ruisleipää, vispipuuroa, tasa-arvoa, solidaarisuutta, ystäviä, sisaruksiani... Lista meni ehkä väärin päin, tärkein alkaa lopusta!

P.S. Kirjoitan TODELLA vähän suomeksi tätä nykyä, koska en juurikaan enää käytä kieltä edes työssäni, joten jos jotain fingelskaa soperran, niin toivon että olette anteeksiantavaisia. :D

Edit: kielioppi... Saatana.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T21:42:59+00:00

It's far below the pavement, I fear. Maybe the sewers?

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T21:14:54+00:00

You're not alone, trust me. I had my own rant about this a few weeks ago (or was it years? Mere minutes? Who's to know, time is a flat circle and whanot...)

I hope this is not taken as self-promoting, but there's some very good commentary on this thread. Also - COOKIE RECIPES! What's not to love. Anyway, I feel you. The so-called feminism of today is nothing but pandering to men, and also making a huge deal of your ~identity~ while the actual cause of TRUE feminism is cancelled and pushed back and is so old school and sex-negative (blergh).

https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/6c4o/vanilla_shame_yet_another_byproduct_of_liberal/

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T20:57:41+00:00

OT, but it reminds me of the release of The Last of Us II. (Game, not a book, just to clarify). Massive amounts of people - likely some 4Chan/Reddit incels started rating the game as 1 (on a scale of 1-5) well before its release. (Someone at Naughty Dog - the production house - leaked an important plot twist before anyone had even had a chance to try the game and... a shitstorm ensued.)

Funnily enough, this prequel concentrates solely on female characters and their very heart-wrenching, desperate lives and storylines. The game itself WILL break your heart and is exceptionally well made. Critics' score is 93% while the audience score is still very low at 2.9. Oh and, did I mention that one of the female actors received death and rape threats upon the release? Because of course. Point being, people just wanted to have what they expected and were never even willing to give the game a try (or alternatively, gave up when it became emotionally taxing, which it is most of the time. Or maybe because there are zero important male characters in the game. Wild guesses but alas.)

Same goes with JKR's book, it seems. Before anyone has even read the goddamn synopsis they're willing to make a bonfire of the books. Maddening idiocy.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T20:37:10+00:00

Bernie Sanders, who actually cares about people.

I'm not from the U.S. but good luck with your "senile grandpa fight" (also known as elections) in November. And yeah, Sanders is old as heck as well but at least he still has all his marbles.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T14:20:17+00:00

Miehiä kohtaan on aina joku ylimääräinen kerros epäluuloa.

Niin, sama pätee itseenikin - mutta mistä tämä epäluuloisuus johtuu? Ainakin omalla kohdallani vastaus on selkeä: olen kokenut aivan kaikenlaista häirintää ja väkivaltaa (fyysistä & sanallista) miesten osalta. Näiden lukemattomien tilanteiden vuoksi olen loogisesti varovaisempi jos esim. kadulla kävelee vastaan joukko miehiä vs. naisia.

Toki olen saanut kuulla ikävää kommentointia myös naisilta, mutta yksikään heistä ei ole ollut fyysisesti aggressiivinen tai ruvennut laukomaan törkeyksiä keskellä päivää ja niin edelleen. En ole kokenut henkeäni uhatuksi naisten osalta, sitä vastoin miesten seurassa/läheisyydessä (yleensä tuiki tuntemattomien) huomaan usein ajattelevani, pystynkö juoksemaan karkuun tarpeeksi lujaa, pystynkö pistämään vastaan, ehdinkö potkaista jalkoväliin. Sivuhuomiona - en asu Suomessa vaan Etelä-Euroopassa, ja täällä aivan päivittäinen kauppareissukin tarkoittaa sitä, että vähintään yksi lääliö (limainen, ällöttävä ääliö) avaa suunsa ja... noh, ulosanti ei ole kovin imartelevaa, näin kauniisti sanottuna.

Naisporukassa on siis alun alkaenkin turvallisempi olo. En ole kuullut kovinkaan monesta tapauksesta, jossa naistenilta päättyy joukkoraiskaukseen yhden sammuttua sohvalle jne. Miesten väkivaltaisuus on laajalti todistettu ilmiö, oli uhri sitten nainen tai toinen mies. On ihan järkeenkäypää "luottaa" enemmän naissukupuoleen tässä valossa, sillä on paljon epätodennäköisempää tulla piestyksi tai raiskatuksi toisen naisen taholta.

Mutta tässäkin tapauksessa se "naiseuden" tunne liittyy nimenomaan naisvihaiseen ilmapiiriin, ja siihen, että tiedostan olevani pienikokoisena naisena helppo uhri jollekin puska-Jussille.

Edit: lisäsin viimeisen lauseen tarkentamaan pointtiani.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-17T14:04:59+00:00

I am speechless. I am without speech.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-16T15:40:09+00:00

Seconded!

vitunrotta · 2020-09-16T15:39:45+00:00

investigative journalist

Ah! My dream job! Used to be at least... maybe it still is. That explains a lot, though. You write so well and are not afraid to question things - I personally would love to read a piece from you. It's amazing to have you here on this platform as well. Always thoughtful and informative, kindly nudging us all forward. We do our best to not let things turn into shit!

The fight is on :)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T22:19:47+00:00

Thread lightly. That is exactly what TRA's are saying...

Regardless of some prettttyyy prettty prettyyyyy maddening data:

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/GSH2018/GSH18_Gender-related_killing_of_women_and_girls.pdf

And for the trans:

https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-transgender-community-in-2019

Imma just leave that there.

Oh! And if any transperson made it into this comment section: no murder, rape, assault, or beating is acceptable. It is not feminists who are attacking you; it's the very patriarchal, misogynist MEN who attack trans. Let's make that clear. Very clear.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T22:05:55+00:00

Always appreciate your insights. :) Good lord, woman, are you a library that came alive!? I had never checked the writers of this song - until now. (Fact check: 100% correct.)

When that song first became a big hit (in our remote little country) it was FOR the women, at least from my perspective. I was very young at that time - on the 7th grade - so I never heard it played on the dancefloor, for example. But even so, I recall it was a song for women only and men could go suck it.

I used it in this rant as we all know the song (most of us do, anyway) and the majority of women & men of my age who listened to it didn't take it literally. It was a rallying song, an anthem for the uterus-havers (heh).

I've heard this song play many, many times since in numerous parties and weddings and women tend to go nuts. It was (perhaps still is) a song about "feeling like a woman" and the fact that there is nothing wrong about that - even if it's a split second of champagne craze where you wildly swing your pretty dress and throw your high-heels away and let loose.

As for "You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman" - I only ever knew the Celine Dion version from 1996, but by god I can still lip-synch the entire song (and album, no shame whatsoever, it is one of my favourite albums).

I think all art is a depiction of our times - the songs we used to listen to and love now sound weirdly misogynist and old-school. The art that was once so groundbreaking makes some of us yawn. I recall studying Guernica from Picasso and while I knew exactly what it depicted it bored me to death back in the day; I'm unsure if I like the piece still to this day. (I'm not an expert in arts, maybe that's why.)

In a similar sense the song "Man! I feel like a woman!" was a bit of a different thing for the society then than it would be now.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: women can be misogynists just as much as men. Your biology doesn't make you any better or worse in this matter - or any other.

But we are women still, ha! ;)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T15:49:27+00:00

Ahah. :D This made me chuckle (not in a bad way, mind you). My usual rants are, well... unhinged, on occasion. We have this lovely expression in Finnish to describe a person that is losing their shit: "like a bear that's been shot in the ass."

That's my go-to rant mode, but alas - we are on a moderated platform so I try to refrain from the buttock-pained bear version of myself.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T13:40:42+00:00

Yup. When the church conservatives (whichever church it may be) start being "woke," that alone should set off multiple alarms in so-called progressives' heads. Yet - stunning silence ensues. They are, after all, a match made in heaven. Pun intended.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T13:17:08+00:00

Well put and spot on. It is, however, infuriating (almost impressive...) how well this snake oil was marketed as something progressive. If you scrape just a little bit you'll find out there is nothing "liberal" here - it's the same ol' misogyny, wrapped in some wokist cape. And the most horrifying thing is that people are buying into this as if it were the new gay rights movement.

IT'S NOT THE SAAAAAMEEEEE screams into the void

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T12:56:36+00:00

I love how she refused to start pandering to these bullies. One of her tweets:

"Beep/bop/boop has zero to do with mocking trans people & to do with exposing the bullying mentality of the mob that has taken over the voices of many genuine causes. I want people to know you can take hate with a smile. So BOOP you for misunderstanding."

I truly hope Disney will not ditch her in order to appease these self-absorbed victims-forever, but I fear it might happen nevertheless. Also, any news outlets or popular culture sites NEED TO QUIT writing about this small fraction of people who see ~literal oppression and violence~ bloody everywhere. BOOP them all, indeed.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-15T12:50:22+00:00

I would use (i), although, as noted - it's not likely anything will change your friend's mind.

(Btw, I reacted as a "laugh" in this post, but only because of your friend's comment - not because of what you actually wrote) :)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T21:55:42+00:00

May I join you in your lovely, ranty stroll? Sounds like something I do every other night... :D

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T21:50:03+00:00

Ready... Set... BUYING THE BOOK.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T21:48:21+00:00

Let us all terfily dance around the bonfire! :D

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T20:00:09+00:00

Koin GC-herätykseni vasta sen jälkeen, kun Reddit rupesi leikkimään viikatemiestä, joten jäi itseltäni huomaamatta. :)

Pitääkin ruveta heittelemään ko. linkkiä erinäisille somealustoille hieman ajatuksia herättämään, mwahahaa.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T19:58:17+00:00

more bigots coming out of the woodwork

You might be right. Nevertheless, they will eventually start seeing there are far more people opposing their nonsensical ideology than they may have originally thought. And these people may start speaking out as well, to their chagrin. I personally don't much care if TRA's think of me as a bigot or TERF or whatever - it's the end goal that matters.

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T19:54:20+00:00

Just finished it now, actually (binged it after all, no self control, hah!) and yeah... Get ready for some pretty aggravating commentary especially from so-called "specialists."

Worth the read though. And I like how the author approaches the topic - allowing you to come to your own conclusions rather than pointing the finger (although she gets a weeee bit snappy on a few topics, which is more than understandable. :D)

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T19:00:27+00:00

Thank you! And yes, totally agree. I'd also add that the ever growing economical inequality on its own is a MASSIVE reason for a lot of things that we are witnessing now. People are becoming more and more desperate (especially now with Coronavirus wreaking havoc around the world) - and when you become desperate, you will also desperately look for someone to point your finger at.

Funnily enough it never seems to e.g. be the billionaires who are breezily swimming through this truly excellent year of 2020... And in the U.S., even the President who has failed in every way & form to keep the virus (and country!) in control faces surprisingly little opposition. One can hope some things will change in the near future, but I sure ain't holding my breath.

Anyway, I digress. I suppose this topic would deserve its very own thread, as it is something we can only overcome if we'd dissect every aspect of it and try to find solutions - instead of stubbornly pointing fingers. And we people are SO good at coming together and thinking constructively, eh, eh? Right? /s

vitunrotta · 2020-09-14T17:20:11+00:00

(...nooot)

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