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Let me just prove your point for you
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[–]TryingForAnOpenMind 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun - 8 months ago (53 children)
Are you sure that he's talking about Jews? Because he could just as easily be taking about lgb+. Or any other group that plays victim all of the time.
[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
exactly
[–]jet199Instigatrix[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
No, that's why the reply is extra funny
[–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
He was talking about trans and he clarified in the comments that he is jewish himself
[–]g0ldfish 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun - 8 months ago (48 children)
He's talking about anyone left of Hitler.
[–]chadwickofwv 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun - 8 months ago (44 children)
That's pretty far left. Don't forget that Hitler was a socialist in a socialist party. All he needed to be a full blown communist is another genocide.
[–]g0ldfish 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (18 children)
Multiple posts on social media have claimed that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name—the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. It has also led to confusion, as Nazism is normally associated with fascism and far-right-wing views.
The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.
Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”
Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.
The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.
This can lead to confusion as to what national socialism meant. Though they sometimes described themselves as socialist, their general ideology and treatment of left-wing figures reflected their true views.
In Hitler’s speeches, he established his idea of socialism as something only for select Germans the Nazi party deemed worthy. In his 1920 speech “Why We Are Anti-Semites” he claimed Judaism was the opposite of socialism by aligning it with capitalism at a time when Germany’s workers were suffering.
In the same year, the party outlined their party programme, which included a number of points which could be seen to align with socialist and anti-capitalist ideals. However, historian of the period Karl Dietrich Bracher has referred to the programme as “propaganda” through which Hitler gained support and then discarded once he achieved power.
Hitler worked closely with industrialists—in 1933 he held a meeting with a number of German industrial figures and gained their trust by speaking of the communist threat. In return, they gave millions of Reichmarks to fund the Nazi party in the upcoming elections. Many developed close relationships with the Nazi regime and flourished under the ideology—the Krupp family supplied Germany with arms during World War Two, readily dismissed Jewish employees, and it's then head Alfried Krupp joined the Nazi party in 1938.
Hitler also suppressed trade unions and refused to give the homes of German princes to the people, as he felt this would move the party towards communism.
Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats.
More left-leaning members of the Nazi party were also targeted; Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor followed a strand of Nazism that wanted to remove the elites Hitler courted from power. Gregor was killed along with other pro-worker members during the Night Of the Long Knives.
[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (5 children)
Socialism is socialism.
[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (3 children)
Idiots are idiots.
Sorry that anything requiring thought, intelligence and understanding is too hard for you. Enjoy your cartoon view of the world.
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (1 child)
Fuck you.
[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
Thanks for the offer, but you're not my type. Sorry. Do you have a sister?
[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
And it's diametrically opposite of communism, and fuck Marx and his bullshit.
[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (9 children)
Hitler also suppressed trade unions
The Nazis created the largest trade union in history.
[–]g0ldfish 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (7 children)
TIKhistory is merely false opinion. TIKhistory is wrong about traditional unions, which were suppressed by the Nazi Party, in favor new union-like structures that served the Nazy Party (NOT the workers).
[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
TIK correctly attributes socialist policies to socialism using definition, not opinion. If you so much as watch 10 minutes of the video I posted yesterday, you would clearly see the explanation of the definition. Most modern politics utilises some socialist policies, as did the Nazi party. To claim otherwise is demonstrably false.
[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (2 children)
Kind of like today's mega unions in the west. And unlike the Soviet Union, which got rid of unions entirely.
[–]g0ldfish 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (1 child)
No - I refer specifically to the 1933 creation of the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront) that was the national labour organisation of the Nazi Party, which replaced the various independent trade unions in Germany during the process of Gleichschaltung. This national union was NOT about workers' rights. It was about the control of workers for the profit of the nationalist party elite. It was an attack on Marxism and Capitalism, but was nontheless FOR the profite of the oligarchy of the Nazi Party:
As early as March 1933, two months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the Sturmabteilung began to attack trade union offices without legal consequences. Several union offices were occupied, their furnishings were destroyed, their documents were stolen or burned, and union members were beaten and in some cases killed; the police ignored these attacks and declared itself without jurisdiction. These early attacks occurred at random, carried out spontaneously by rank-and-file Nazis motivated by a desire to destroy "Marxism", and the Nazi Party leadership only implemented a general policy in May. On 2 May, 1933, trade union headquarters throughout Germany were occupied, their funds were confiscated, and the unions were officially abolished and their leaders arrested. Many union leaders were beaten and sent to concentration camps, including some who had previously agreed to cooperate with the Nazis.
[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
The west is accomplishing the same, just without all the violence. They convinced trade-specific unions to dissolve and be absorbed by mega unions, which are often composed of government institution workers, who are mostly unelected neolibs, while the leaders make absurd amounts of money.
[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (2 children)
union-like structures that served the Nazy Party (NOT the workers)
you mean pretty much the way it works under communism?
the state is all - and woe to the worker who thinks otherwise
[–]g0ldfish 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (1 child)
If you conflate different concepts of so-called 'communism' and oligarchy over the past 170 years.
[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
another one who says but its not really communism - absolutism in definition as argument ?
anyway the 'both do it' nullifies using it as part of defining a difference
[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
DAF wasn't a trade union. It was a Nazi device to take the place of trades unions.
[–]rubberbiscuit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (1 child)
Thanks for typing all that. All I read though was "waa... waa... waa..."
All I read though was "waa... waa... waa..."
The inability to comprehend written English is a serious disability, you should see a doctor about that.
[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (19 children)
Don't forget that Hitler was a socialist in a socialist party.
You know how the Nazi Party had the word "Socialism" in their name? They lied. It's as simple as that.
The Nazi Party was originally called the German Worker's Party or Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP) in German. Right from the beginning it was a populist, nationalist, anti-Marxist party aimed at the working class. In American terms, the closest analogy would be the Tea Party, except much more antisemitic.
Hitler was an intelligence agent for the Reichswehr (Germany armed forces) at the time, and he was ordered to investigate the DAP. Hitler was impressed by its strong anti-Marxist and antisemitic positions, and requested permission to join the party. (Army officers at the time were not normally allowed to join any political party.) His superior officer, Captain Karl Mayr, gave him permission to join, and Hitler very rapidly was able to take over the party and become its leader. The party, and Hitler, was always opposed to Marxism and socialism.
Under Hitler's leadership, the name was changed to the German National Socialist Workers' Party, or "National Socialism" (Nazi). The new name was suggested by Rudolf Jung, who explicitly chose the name to appeal to the German working class who would otherwise be tempted by actual socialists.
In other words the name always was a deliberate lie.
Once the Nazi Party was in power, none of their economic or social policies were even within the same galaxy as socialism. Aside from businesses stolen from Jews, the Nazis nationalised exactly one company, which they paid full market rate for. Economically, the Nazis were more or less centre-right, not much different from most western countries, aside from the whole authoritarian war mongering and genocide thing.
u/g0ldfish said:
The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one
Yes it is. The Nazi Party was a socialist party in the same way that a cheese and tomato sandwich is a type of aircraft. There's no debate or nuance to it.
[–]8thmonitor 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago* (6 children)
National Socialism is socialism. Yes, National Socialism rejects Marxist socialism. But it accepts Fichtean socialism. There are many different forms of socialism. Not just Marxist or other left-wing socialism.
[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (4 children)
National Socialism is socialism.
No, it isn't.
[–]8thmonitor 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (3 children)
Did you read my comment? I just explained this lol.
Yes, National Socialism rejects Marxist socialism. But it accepts Fichtean socialism. There are many different forms of socialism. Not just Marxist or other left-wing socialism. That means National Socialism is socialism.
[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago* (2 children)
The problem is people like you shouting 'Hitler was a socialist' knowing full well that 99.99% of people understand socialism to be a Marxist concept.
You are basically lying then, when challenged, you try to weasel out of it by talking about 'different types of socialism', then you produce a 'different type of socialism' that literally no-one has heard of apart from a few politics and philosophy heads and a some very rare educated Nazis.
In any case, it is questionable whether Ficthe ever talked about anything that might be identified as socialism anyway - his economic view was capitalist in nature.
It's just nonsense to suggest that Nazism is the same as socialism as most people understand the terms. The only way you can make it work is to drag out some old dead guy and suggest that Nazis know who he is, when in fact most Nazis can't even read a newspaper, let alone read a book.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/fichte-and-national-socialism/FFF5B2ACA448EA556B97EFB2A780120B
[–]8thmonitor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (1 child)
Anyone that claims Hitler was a socialist always mentions that Hitler was a non-Marxist socialist. We never lie.
If anything, the "Hitler wasn't socialist" people lie because they claim that Hitler wasn't a socialist because he killed socialists. That doesn't even make sense because left-wing socialists have killed other socialists. It proves there are so many different types of socialists. Hitler is one of many socialists.
I disagree. There is zero evidence that Hitler was a socialist, or that his party was. The only thing you people can point to as 'evidence' of Hitler's socialism is the 'national socialism' label, which was really more about selling the Nazis to the Germans than any actual socialist principles.
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
But it accepts Fichtean socialism.
Oh please. I doubt that Hitler or any of the main Nazi leaders had even heard of Fichte, but even if they did, Nazi Party philosophy was radically different from Fichtean socialism.
You can cherry-pick a few random points of similarity between any two forms of government or political philosophies, because there are only so many ways to govern a nation. The major point of similarity between Fichtean socialism and Nazi Party government is that Fichte wanted a beneficent government to rule so that people could maximize their freedom and well-being, while Hitler's rule as a totalitarian leader demanded that people sacrifice their freedom and well-being for the benefit of the State. See? Both systems of government rule so tHEy mUsT bE tHE sAmE 🙄
In practical terms, the Nazi Party was primarily a totalitarian State centred on Adolf Hitler. Everything was subordinate to the State, as determined by Hitler (and to a lesser extent, whoever he delegated to). But within those bounds, the most radically liberal/progressive thing the Nazis did was ban the boiling alive of lobsters, a sop to Hitler's vegetarianism. Even Hitler wasn't prepared to ban meat eating altogether.
Socially, the Nazis varied from socially conservative to radically illiberal. Even their radical views were on the conservative side, not the progressive/liberal side. Antisemitism and homophobia were common traits of European conservatism. Although Hitler himself held Christianity in contempt, and some of the Nazis wanted to re-introduce ancient Germanic pagan religion, Hitler and the Nazis pretended to be conservatively religious.
(No, Hitler wasn't an atheist, he believed in some form of deism and believed that he had been sent by Providence to save Germany, but he was no fan of "turn the other cheek" Christianity. He thought Christianity was for the weak.)
Economically, the Nazi government was a corporatist government with a mixed economy, a mostly free market with some central planning (particularly in regard to the war effort).
The Nazis nationalised virtually nothing in the country, aside from the theft of property belonging to Jews and other enemies of the state. Instead they went on a spree of privatising as many of the German state assets and businesses as possible. The Nazi government frequently partnered with private corporations, and supported cartels, monopolies and other big corporations at the expense of the small businesses that gave them electoral support. (Sound familiar?)
While it is true that the corporations were required to provide goods and services for the war effort, that was done via normal commercial contracts, usually quite favourable to the corporations, and not coerced by threat of force or by the law. On paper, the Nazis could severely punish corporations that went against the national interest but in practice the party rarely or never put that into practice, and corporations could and frequently did refuse to enter into contracts with the government if they felt it went against their corporate interests (i.e. maximising profit). The economy was not a pure laisez faire one, but nor did the government interfere in the daily business of companies. They were free to negotiate with the government on almost equal terms, and set their own business priorities within fairly loose constraints required for Hitler's racial and war plans.
The Nazis were reluctant to introduce rationing or raise taxes to pay for the war. Taxes were generally low, in 1941 the top tax rate was just 13.7% (compared to almost 24% in Great Britain). Wealthy Germans could declare their personal staff (e.g. maids) as dependants and gain a tax benefit from them.
So the Nazis were not libertarian right-wingers, but they were economically corporatist capitalists. Putting aside their totalitarianism and Hitler's racial views, the Nazi economy was run not that much differently from today's corporate capitalism. The biggest difference is that Hitler and the Nazis insisted on autarky (self-sufficiency) and were not globalists.
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[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
awful lot of collectivist themes in nazi germany
I think you are responding to the wrong post. It's not me who claimed the Nazis were socialist.
[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (8 children)
government control of the economy
[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (7 children)
The Nazi Party had less control of the economy than the British Tories (the conservatives) under Churchill.
They were certainly not laissez faire libertarian capitalists but they were middle of the road right-wingers (at least economically), giving private corporations a lot of autonomy and freedom. See my other answer here.
[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (6 children)
you might wanna adjust that for the war effort and recall the nazis were only a few years progress into their goals when the tories were for centuries
[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (5 children)
recall the nazis were only a few years progress into their goals when the tories were for centuries
You think that Britain had only a single government for "centuries"???
The Enabling Act of 1933 gave Hitler and the Nazi Party the ability to pass laws without any checks and balances from the Reichstag (German parliament) or President. The Reichstag Fire Decree declared a state of emergency and eliminated most legal protections and civil liberties. A year later, the Nazis enacted a series of extrajudicial executions against Hitler's rivals in the party and any unreliable conservatives, and Hitler gained personal control of the entire government, judicial system, law enforcement and military, as sole Führer of the nation. This wasn't an empty title: by 1935 Hitler's word was legally and practically the law.
There was nothing like that in Britain, where the government, for all their sins, was constrained by parliament, the House of Lords, an independent judiciary, and even to some small degree the king.
It never ceases to astonish me how people will argue that water isn't wet and fire is cold rather than accept that Hitler and the Nazis weren't socialist.
[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (4 children)
Britain had only a single government for "centuries"???
the same rich people ran things those centuries
only when the laws changes giving the house of commons power of the purse was there much of a shift
[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (3 children)
You think that these people lived for centuries? Like 200 or 400 years?
What, are they vampires or something?
[–]Death_By_Democracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (4 children)
You do know Hitler put socialists into the death camps along with the Poles, Roma and Jews, right?
[–]jet199Instigatrix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (3 children)
You know Hitler had created a one party state where everyone who tried to create an opposition, left or right, could be arrested, right?
They even arrested kids who wanted to go camping (a pretty common nationalist activity at the time), look up the Edelweiss Pirates.
Doesn't make Hitler a socialist, or the Nazi party a socialist party. Hitler hated socialists and communists and trades unions. He had his goons murder thousands of them.
[–]jet199Instigatrix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (1 child)
Once again, Hitler arresting and killing socialist doesn't in any way mean he wasn't a socialist.
The USSR also murdered thousands of socialists and communists and trades unionists. That doesn't make them any less communist.
You need to argue based on their policies not who they didn't like. People always hate their immediate neighbours more than those distant to them.
Hitler arresting and killing socialists means exactly that he wasn't a socialist. You are just talking rubbish.
[–]Musky 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 8 months ago (2 children)
Hitler would have been a fan of gender ideology, they're all busy sterilizing themselves.
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[–]jet199Instigatrix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
The aim of that research was to cure homosexuality rather than trans affirmation, though.
[–]topiary2 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
The joke/point is that the jews always out themselves.
If you say pedophiles need to be put into the ground or porn is a tool designed to keep men enslaved and docile, the jews will rise up and cry antisemitism to both claims which was exactly what they have done in the past on these very topics.
[–]gosso920 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun - 8 months ago (2 children)
The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.
[–]jet199Instigatrix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago* (0 children)
Jew cries out in pain as he strikes Jew too.
The jew cries out in pain as he kikes you.
[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
Oh shit, he's gonna get yeeted like Ye.
[–]topiary2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 8 months ago (0 children)
They always out themselves.
The ironic part of them bringing up Musk is they also outed themselves when Bezos bought the washington post and Musk made a reference to media ownership and control and the jews automatically assumed he was talking about jews.
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I'm not sure why the Anti-Semite assumed that this Seth guy's complaining about narcissists, was secretly about Jewish people.
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