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[–]AsInBeer 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (110 children)

If you don't allow the Nazis then there is no opportunity for people to refute them in public. Just think about it. You have to have faith in that open conversations and debate will bring the light to even the darkest minds. If you cut them out completely then the following will / will not happen.

No one will ever encounter what they think and begin to ponder it as it's actually presented and then dedicate themselves to refuting their ideas on their own terms, in terms they themselves accept as valid.

They will never encounter an intelligent counter to their beliefs that starts to work away at those beliefs.

No empathetic person can ever be given a chance to divine what they're really worried about / afraid of/ hopeful for and separate those things from the Nazi ideology which currently serves those needs.

You have to believe in the power of ideas and words to change minds and behavior. What else is there? War. Violence. Killing.

The whole point of free speech is the bomb defuser gets to examine the bomb, learn about it, be with it. think about it, sleep on it, dream about it, absorb it, grok it .... then finally diffuse it in a fit of inspiration and genius. This is what great writers do. This is what great thinkers do. But you can't cut them off from engaging with the raw material of what will later be their ultimate triumph.

Censoring ideas is one of the first things the Nazis did. That's because they know they can't withstand all minds which may come at them. Ditto Critical Theory fascists and fascists of all types. They amputate inquiry and speech because they know, deep inside themselves, that a better mind than theirs with clearer thoughts will eventually come along and they'll be defeneseless against them.

[–]antireddit 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Back when the internet was free there were "nazis" online and the world didnt end. It didnt result in the 4th reich or an epidemic of violence. There was far less violence, racial animosity and chaos previous to deplatforming cancel culture and censorship. Anyone who didnt like Nazis was free to debate or ridicule them.

It seems to me it wasnt until the censorship and cancelling began that huge numbers of "normal" people started to get "red pilled" about Jewish power and media control and began asking gee, maybe theres some truth to the "tropes". I know that's what happened with me. A few years ago I was still more or less left wing.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

To be fair, things take time to grow and develop. It could be that after decades of only tv, radio and public schooling everyone was so brainwashed they were as effected by the Nazi arguments as any other cultist is to anti cult reasoning. But over time more and more people became red pilled. They spread those red pills outside the internet. Each one creating 2 more stray sheep. Each stray sheep another microphone for red pills. Only when it started to really accelerate did the censorship have to get ramped up. But by then there were already lots of red pill microphones, and only then did you start noticing them. So peak censorship and peak red pill seemed to emerge simultaneously, but in reality red pilling was growing exponentially and censorship was the giant boot that came down to crush it.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

Imagine thinking a counter-culture trap set up by the elite and military-industrial complex is a "red pill".

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

A red pill is not one thing. It is not an organization. It is not a movement. It is any argument that convinces someone that a mainstream claim is wrong. It is anything that reveals reality.

It is not a nazi thing. It is not an alt right thing. It's just the truth.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Yeah I obviously know what it means. I can't imagine thinking a counter-culture trap set up by the elite and military-industrial complex is the truth though

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I assume you mean that neo-nazism is a counter culture trap. Be that as it may, everything a neo nazi says is not instantly wrong. If they say the sky is blue the sky does not change color. There is nothing stopping nazis from spreading the truth. If they say there is an IQ discrepancy between races; that is in fact that truth. It does not become a lie simply because they want to use that as a reason to advocate for killing people. It is simply a truth that does not justify killing people. It does however explain things like income discrepancies across populations. If you deny IQ science, which has long ago proved that IQ effects income, then you are left with no explanation and that void is filled with bullshit claims of racism levied against white people. This lie is extremely harmful. The lies invented to fill the void left by denied science are the same ones fueling the racial hatred that is destroying this country.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm as hardcore a nazi as you can find. And I never supported, advocated or approved of violence. This is all BULLSHIT.

u/magnora7 has been threatened, bought and paid for, or something. SHUT THE TRUTH DOWN OR ELSE.

It's that simple.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's like a feminist saying she doesn't hate men. She just likes women, and wants to advocate for them. But you don't need to be a feminist to like women and advocate for them. Feminism espouses hateful anti men bullshit. Feminists routinely call for shit like killing all men as soon as a sperm alternative can be found, with no push back from other feminists. It is the feminist culture to hate men. Any woman identifying as a feminist endorses that culture and those ideas. Otherwise they would not be a feminist, just another person who likes women and advocates for them.

If you disapproved of violence you would not be identifying as a nazi.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I agree 100% about feminism, but it isn't a valid analogy with regards to National Socialism. You know far less about the topic than you think you do. Being a nazi is NOT about "white supremacy". At all. It never was. Sure, unintelligent brutes have recuperated the white ideals into their hatred of other peoples, but that has nothing to do with the original ideology.

You should inform yourself better if you are going to have these discussions.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Be that as it may, everything a neo nazi says is not instantly wrong.

No, of course not. But the ideology as a whole it's quite a long way from "the truth"

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you are the arbiter of truth now? Fuck off.

And what, only what YOU SAY IS THE TRUTH is allowed on your "free speech" site? FUCK OFF!

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you ban people for not holding to your "truth"? Genuine question.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So are nearly all the dominant narratives of our society. We live in clown world. And clown world is setting up to be far more deadly than nazism. Clown world is based on victim narratives, where as nazism is based on entitlement narratives. Both are dangerous, but victim hood is viscous like nothing else.

To explain: a normal person would not kill another person. They find it morally reprehensible, they empathize with the victim, they feel shame and regret. But if they believe that other person is trying to kill them all of that goes out the window. Not only is all morality, empathy, and responsibility gone, but it activates the most primitive survival instincts. Vicious, spiteful, and totally without logic. People in that state will do heinous things that nothing else can make them do. That is the nature of victimhood.

By comparison entitlement will make you justify all kinds of injustice, but there is no survival instinct. There is no fear mixed with panic. Nothing to make the prefrontal cortex lose all control to emotions. You can try to reason with a nazi. There is no reasoning with an SJW.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You can try to reason with a nazi. There is no reasoning with an SJW.

Lol yeah, because "reasoning" with them worked so well in WW2

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Magnolia

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Well I don't know that it's Jewish power at work here. I know that one of the big Free PSeech advocates, a woman whoose name slips my mind right now, advoacated for making anti-semitism a hate crime. That's just fraudulent in my view. You can't be for free speech then advocate for makinig anti-semitic speech a crime.

I do wish you woudl rethink your anti-semiism. It's jst an inaccurate picture of how the world works. Holding a false map of how the world works hurts you. Yes some Jews Y. But then some X's Y too.

Like I've said elesewhere, instead of begrdging the Jewes the power they ahve in the world, why don't you emulate the good character traits which let them rise to the heights. Maybe you'd even meet some of them and find out, hey, they're not really the way I thought they were.

[–]Markimus 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well I don't know that it's Jewish power at work here.

All internet censorship is done by the ADL so it is literally jewish power.

I know that one of the big Free PSeech advocates, a woman whoose name slips my mind right now, advoacated for making anti-semitism a hate crime. That's just fraudulent in my view. You can't be for free speech then advocate for makinig anti-semitic speech a crime.

Laura Loomer. She's not for free speech, she's for jewish interests. She thinks jewish interests will be pushed further with 'free speech' which to her obviously doesn't include criticising jewish power.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope not her. Someone else. Just would have ot search for he right now. Had a draw Mohammed contest in Texas.

[–]antireddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well I don't know that it's Jewish power at work here.

Yeah, it is. It just is. There's tons of evidence. You can piss off just about anyone, but if you piss them off you're gonna have their media, lobby groups, lawyers, academics, the state of Israel, politicians elected by their money and media, and an insane amount of wealth all brought to bear against you. This is the reality, and it can be tested, and has been, and every time someone tests it, this reality gets confirmed. This isnt the case with any other group, because no other group has this much power, and has such a devoted group that uses it.

This doesnt mean EVERY jew is in on some worldwide conspiracy or is part of some hive mind. It just means there is a very devoted like minded segment with a lot of money and power which cannot be openly criticized or scrutinized.

Like I've said elesewhere, instead of begrdging the Jewes the power they ahve in the world, why don't you emulate the good character traits which let them rise to the heights.

In theory I would agree. The problem isnt just the power they have, its what they do with it. There seems to be a large segment of them that are ridiculously anti white. Whether its driven by religious hatred, paranoia, a desire for revenge based on a victim complex, or just a callous disregard for the identity and culture of whites, or a combination of all of the above I dont know. We cannot address this constant media incitement against whites or the demographic replacement of whites in their homelands without addressing this hatred, and countering it. That doesnt mean its responsible for EVERYTHING we see, but the other causes cannot be addressed without also addressing this.

At this point I've given up on getting Jews themselves to pressure the ones causing all this trouble. They either cant, or wont. It doesnt matter what they think anymore. They are 2% of the population and those numbers should be reflected in the overall direction of this country, and no more. It is up to us to address the problem, and to inform others of whats going on. With boycotting, social shaming, and self advocacy(lobbying) WE have to change it. The Jews sure as fuck arent gonna do it for us, and many are actively opposing any attempts by us to do something by instituting dystopian levels of censorship and control. I agree We SHOULD emulate the jews in their highly successful self lobbying, ethnic cohesion, and the mentality that if you fuck with any of us, you fuck with all of us.

Of course we should ensure that as a small minority they are protected from violence and oppression, but that doesnt mean we have to tolerate the current situation. The events of 2020 prove that we do so at our peril.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here it going going from Blacks to Jews this time:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/02/jacob-blake-sr-has-long-history-of-racist-antisemitic-anti-christian-posts-set-to-meet-joe-biden/

[–]antireddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I dont really care what Jacob Blake thinks about me or any other group. His only relevance is that the police were forced to respond to his rapist behavior, and now the situation he caused and escalated is being used as more fuel for riots chaos and violence. If Biden meets with him he's a bigger idiot than I thought. If I was Trump I'd be thanking my lucky stars for his stupidity because it plays right into his hands. It's basically a photo op for Trump.

Hopefully Trump exploits it and ignores the advice of his village idiot son in law Kushner, who seems to want Trump to bend over backwards appeasing blacks who will never vote for him.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This doesnt mean EVERY jew is in on some worldwide conspiracy or is part of some hive mind. It just means there is a very devoted like minded segment with a lot of money and power which cannot be openly criticized or scrutinized.

It doesn't matter how many Jews are in or at at the top of of power hierarchies. This is not a problem that is uniquely issuing from people who call themselves Jews. This is problem that goes back throughout all of recorded history and applies to all people at all times.

You don't have to worry about that Plantagenet gang but if you lived for a few centuries starting in the 1100s you would have had to worry about them, a lot, and let me tell you what a bunch of power-mad, exclusionary assholes those guys were.

OK OK, I accept you are not an anti-Semite at least by my definition of that term, which is roughly: I hate Jews, therefore, I am.

Just addressing your own definition of the issues -without myself signing onto any of them- here are my thoughts.

Demographic-

Well it's up to you to fuck and no one can do it for you.

Smart-ass observations aside, the decline in fertility amongst people in developed nations is not an issue confined to Protestant cultures, Catholic cultures, Christian cultures or White European cultures. It's a problem in Japan and South Korea.

It seems to be an unforseen side-effect of modern life.

It's a serious topic which bears scholarly investigation. The truth is, we don't know why this is happening, but it's not something about which we can just shrug our shoulders. It's real and it's serious and we have to counter it.

Race hate-

The White hatred is coming out of the Marxism in the universities. They're looking at the demographics and thinking they can go for a divide (by race) and conquer approach to overthrowing the United States. Plenty of Jews in academia of course (Noel Ignatius springs to mind immediately) but also plenty of Latinos Blacks and Whites too. The fact is, we're all well represented in that Democracy Of Hate.

(Just so you know I feel your pain, the way you feel about Jewish power is the way I see liberals and Marxist -same thing nowadays- they're exceedingly good at power politics and take over any institution they get into.)

Well well well, this is a thing, isn't it? Groups of people who seem somehow to be preternaturally good at power politics locate a choke point over society and start squeeeeeeezing.... Why it's almost like they're special purpose machines built to identify and take over neutral social institutions in order to weaponize them.

What should we do? My first thought out of the chute is this: this is how human beings are. Possibly, some of us evolved to excel power politics. If that's true, it frames the problem for us in a way that suggests a solution.

Consider other unsavory, genetically mediated impulses which, if unrecognized and uncountered, create chaos in the world. Take one facet of sexual politics- the male impulse to spread his seed as far as possible... you know... Ghengis Khan and all that.

The way we curbed that enthusiasm was monogamy and pair-bonding marriage. In theory, everyone gets just one mate, (in the past, just once) and cheaters get censored.

Enshrining that into law yielded a lot of peace dividends to society. This let our lives be about something other than sexual acquisition or the frustrating lack of mating opportunities.

In societies where mongamy is not the norm, for example Saudi Arabia, what you get is an unstable society necessarily held together by autocratic power over the loser-males, who get no wife, and who would overthrow the winners, if they could.

So there we have a successful abatement by society of a widespread, genetically underwritten, unsavory impulse shared by many if not all. Well done!

What I think is happening is we are not suffciently vigilant against what our (America's) Founding Founders were acutely aware of: the (genetically mediated) impulse towards exclusive power is evergreen in people.

People don't think of Jack Dorsey and the individuals on Twitter's Board of Directors as having a problem. We don't analyze Twitter's operations and policies as a manifestation of a known bug in human organization and behavior. But it's obvious that that's what we're looking at.

Essentially, people seek, or stumble onto, power and it feels so good to wield it, it becomes a drug.

That's not how our Founders expressed it, but it's how they would.

Dorsey is a druggie. Zuckerberg and Susan Wojcicki and Serge Brin are druggies and they all have major major problems which they're externalizing onto the world. The solution, as our Founding Fathers knew, was to never let that much power accumulate to anyone or anything in the first place.

We need the media / academia / tech equivalent to monogamy. That means laws and that means the acknowledgment by most people that those laws are Moral and Necessary, Just and Right. This is exactly what government is for.

Every time you frame this universal, perpetual problem in terms "Jews" you take away your own power to do anything about it. It just pegs you NOT as someone concerned about a concentration of power, but as a person obsessed with the concentration of power amongst Jews.

In other words, someone obsessed with Jews.

Maybe it's as you say- the Jews are the distributed Plantagenets of our day. Well, so what. You can't frame your argument as "we need to do something about these Jews" without causing people listening to you to silently superimpose an abbreviated mustache under your nose.

We have to act and act in a lawful manner. That means being effective and concrete when we speak to people about the problem and the solution. That means forging a solution in the furnace of research, thought, failure, collaboration, learning and persistence. You want a sword to kill a special beast you have to forge the sword to the beast.

Sounds like work. Sounds like something one might fail at. I acknowledge going in I myself might fail but what choice do I have? What we lack are convincing ideas that speak to people as they are now. Jew-mitigation has been decisively consigned to the dustbin of history. You have to get out of there.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is mostly a justification for the corruption the uber-rich jews are causing in the world. People generally argue in a coherent fashion if you don't ban them and treat them with some amount of respect, like not calling them a scientologist when they aren't.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well Ashinbeer is a Zionist... so...

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just so you know I understand what you're refering to when you talk about some individual Jew's hatred of all White people, I found this in a review of Fox Solomon's photography.

The author of the description which follows is one Zoe Samudzi and the piece appears in Jewish Currents.

From:

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-journey-into-the-heart-of-whiteness/

Zoe Samzudi describes this picture:

https://jewishcurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/RosalindFoxSolomon-7-768x764.jpg

....using these words:

"Often, Fox Solomon’s subject is the white family—which, in white supremacist ideology, constitutes the core unit for maintaining and advancing white demographic dominance (consider the Fourteen Words, the popular white supremacist slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”). In one image, taken in Chattanooga in 1975, what could be understood simply as a lovely, affectionate kiss bestowed by a mother on her sleepy child, whose head hangs back limply, appears also as an attempt to resuscitate; it is both basic parental affection and an expression of the desire to breathe life into whiteness—that is, to perpetuate and maintain it—by means of the nuclear family structure. "

OK. This is pure, unadulterated, race-hatred. In this instance it's coming from a Jew to White people. I acknowledge such exists. But I can find the same thing going to and coming from any pair of races.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I don't see how pointing out that Jewish people are in all the major positions of power is anti-Semitic, but apparently I am anti-Semitic for pointing this out. People don't seem to understand that you can point out problems with races and religions without being racist or prejudiced.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Men are almost all the major positions of power. Yet saying "men run the world" is a dumb thing to say because 99% of all men actually have very little power.

Same thing.

[–]antireddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saying men run the world isnt dumb. Its reality. Shouldn't we be able to acknowledge reality?

Same thing.

Also. If every major media corporation was run by a male(as was the case), it would be an over representation of 2 times their number.

If every major media corporation was headed by a Jew(as was recently the case), it would be an over representation of 50 times their number.

An over representation of 2 times is not a huge deal, and yet feminists and academics will openly bring it up. But 50 times? That should concern people and be discussed, yet to express concern is to be labeled a nazi, censored and cancelled. Thats a problem, especially when institutions like the media are so fundamentally important to democracy.

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right but Magnora should dumb == banned?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You will never hear me say Jews *control" the world. That's ridiculous, there's much more at play than that. I don't see how your comment even applies to what I said

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

No, THE JEWS CONTROL THE WORLD. It's not ridiculous, they spent centuries subverting the whole blue and green ball.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Do they control you?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

They don't control ME but I'm exceptional in almost every single metric you can apply to human beings.

They control pretty much everybody. Or at least, the forces that control them, through them, control pretty much everybody in almost everything they do.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I just don't like to generalize. They haven't consolidated complete power and control over every breathing human. They do not yet control the world, but they have it by the balls for sure. I agree that it isn't ridiculous, because there is so much evidence of foul play in modern times (and history)

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No the anti-Semitism is the implicit notion that they act as a hive mind. Believing people are merely exemplars of their race or creed (and what they are is always bad / violent /devious ) is what racism is. It denies individual agency and reduces them to a members of a sort of ant army that's working tirelessly to achieve some unified goal.

When people talk like that, it's just factualy wrong and marks them as a racist. It's running reality through a reducing valve so it's somehow easier to think about and easier to decide how to act. It's a crude attempt to reduce the inherent hypercomplexity of the real world, which is filled with real individuals and their independent wills and perspectives and motivations and beliefs.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I point out the fact that the uber-rich (mostly jews in the western world, mostly Chinese in the eastern) are colluding with each other to consolidate power between their own sub-groups, would you call me anti-semitic or racist? If you would, then I feel sorry for you. I have asians in my family, and I have jewish blood in me, and I don't look down on individuals from those cultures just because there is evil in said culture... It's like hating all Americans for what happened to the Native Americans.... not all Americans alive today would've supported such actions. I don't blame the cultures, but if someone were to write down the factual information about these people and they didn't mention their race/culture, I would find it to be disingenuous.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you want to debate nazis who specialize in hijacking forums, go to voat or poal. Have fun.

We don't need that at saidit. This place used to be named antiextremes after all. People are welcome to go to voat or poal if they think this is too limiting.

[–]AsInBeer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

OK. Duly noted. Find me at Voat or poal(?) people. Anywhere else anyone recommends?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know if Voat can be trusted, their code isn't visible, they're not open source, they require identifying code to get on the site... Dunno man.

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! Duly noted.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I second this.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You have to believe in the power of ideas and words to change minds and behavior. What else is there? War. Violence. Killing.

Yep, as such, it is u/magnora7 who is indirectly advocating, fostering and encouraging violence.

[–]AsInBeer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Too much! How is Mangora advocating violence???? Oh I see.. "advocating" is the wrong word and concept. Magnora is in her/his/its small way acting in a way which ultimately facilitates disuniion, hatred, vioence and war. This person doesn't understand that; essentially this person is at the upper limit of their intelligence / insight / foresight/ experience. We all have such upper limits.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Which person doesn't understand what?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ashinbeer is a Zionist, I'm totally okay with that for they deserve to be here and state their opinions but he called for the murder of black folks and the nuking of China. /u/magnora7 So, if his ban was for his comments on the murder of black folks or nuking of China in another post, his ban is 100% justified.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He's banned?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's what he said, but he did advocate violence three times.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK then.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is curtailing discussion that could defuse violence not INDIRECTLY encouraging violence?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You claim to be a National Socialist Horrux and have not been banned because you don't drag the discussion down. You actually clearly lay out what you believe and I have not heard you advocate violence on others. Though I could be wrong.

This shows me that a lot of the people being banned here promoting Nazism are simply dragging discussion down. Using ad homienms etc.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hm, OK, so then the problem of fake nazis, as well as low-brow, "I hate [n-word]" neo-racist 'nazis' is very real? I don't navigate the length and breadth of this place, so I can't say I have a wide-coverage picture of who talks about what and how.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The ones who larp on the internet about how much they hate negroes are fucking retarded. They're probably either from cuckpol, or, they're Maga retards who still think trump is the saviour even after this https://static.timesofisrael.com/atlantajewishtimes/uploads/2018/04/ED-Briefs-chabad.jpg

If they would actually want an ethnostate they would have already started planning on how to strategically secede from the US. I have been coordinating for two years on a weekly thread on 9pol with fellow anons and some known frens on how to actually secede from the US, and how to achieve autarky after doing so without fucking the economy up.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't doubt you. All without advocating violence, which really isn't what the NSDAP or Hitler were ever about. Have violent means become necessary in history? Undoubtedly. Have they been glorified by anybody else than retards? Nope.

But then again, if you ever speak in any good terms of any POTUS: that is by association, supporting violence since all of them were embroiled in wars, gratuitous regime change, assassinations, etc. War is violent, you know.

So Ban everybody who ever said anything supporting any POTUS ever. To begin with. That is literally THE SAME THING as somebody making a sub about 1930s German NatSoc in terms of advocating violence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. I agree with your reply on every level.

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    [–]antireddit 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

    It depends on what you mean by Nazis. According to the mainstream left anyone who doesnt suck BLM dick is now a "nazi".

    [–]denverkris 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Anyone who doesn't believe that a man can be a woman is also a nazi.

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      [–]wrongthink 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      I suspect most of them are larpers and shitposters who are doing it for some form of the lulz. I don't get the impression that these are the kinds of people who see the light of day very often so I'm not currently very concerned by them. They are predictable and annoying though and just out of a desire to ban low effort content I have little sympathy for them.

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        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        You are doing something right. Something most people on the internet just don't do. Edit: including Magnora

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          [–]AsInBeer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          It is dehumanizing and it also belies a disbelief that people can change and do change and change because of new content that gets into their minds through the spoken and written word.

          This is the operating system of society- this is the core of how culture works.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Yep, in effect this censorship by u/magnora7 is essentially an anti-social act. It is very very bad.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Me too, I'm a nazi and I'm interested in all viewpoints, especially to SPREAD THE TRUTH, but the admin is willfully turning this place into a censored POS site.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Nope, you are wrong. We are many and we are DEAD SERIOUS about spreading the TRUTH, no matter that YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

          [–]wrongthink 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          ok boomer

          [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

          Call someone a nazi enough and they adopt it as a badge of honor. The image of nazism in their mind becomes warped to more resemble what they are rather than what the nazis were. The word has lost it's meaning, just like the word racist. It is used as a slur and an ad hominem. No different than someone replying to an argument by calling the other person the n word and thinking that constitutes a valid retort.

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            [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

            Nazis are not known for their stance on government. They are known for having a very narrow view of who deserves to live based on ethnicity. They are known for violently perusing an agenda of ethnic cleansing, expansionism, and genocide.

            So the fact that you would call him a nazi for being a national socialist perfectly encapsulates my point of definition creep.

            [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            He put literal 1940s nazi propaganda posters as his banner image. Pictures of hitler smiling, and the wehrmacht army.

            There's no definition creep, the guy literally wants a literal nazi government and was openly promoting that.

            [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Well that is different then. But what he used to label the guy a nazi is still definition creep. If you see a black guy in a Mercedes and assume he must have stolen it, that is a racist assumption. If it turns out he did steal it that doesn't make your assumption less racist, it was still based on nothing but skin color.

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              [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

              If you aren't grabbing crotches to identify people's gender before you address them you are doing it wrong. Also your assumption of my politics is ignorant. I fully acknowledge that gender dysphoria is really just schizophrenia, and should be treated the same as people who think they are Jesus Christ, or have a limb that doesn't belong to them.

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                [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Using the definition of "anyone to the right of Mao Zedong".

                Once I started actually reading and paying attention to far left discourse, it was shocking to discover how obsessed you are with nazis. They're everywhere. Especially in other far left groups. I simply didn't understand how you could call each other nazis and fascists and mean it. But it's true.