JK Rowling claims society is on brink of 'medical scandal' over transgender issues

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[–]72ndGender 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (66 children)

The trans thing will quietly fizzle away after this peak is over. There is no way the medical industry admits to being wrong and takes on infinite legal liability.

That, or we have a revolution and trans people get executed or detransitioned if they are pro-op.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

I agree. Nobody talks about lobotomies anymore, but they were all the rage until the late 70's. It'll just be swept under the rug / unless our empire crumbles before that time comes, in which case retribution will be made.

I think blood eagles would be appropriate.

[–]Riothamus 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (29 children)

Back in the late 90s/early 2000s everyone agreed that women like Joanie Laurer (Chyna) and Nicole Bass were catastrophically fucking themselves up with anabolic steroids. Neither still lives.

Now quacks prescribe steroids to teenage girls who don't feel stereotypically feminine. We know where this road leads and we're called hateful for pointing it out.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

Steroids don't kill though, that's utter BS. They're just hormones. If you give the body what it needs to be in balance - yes even a balance skewed by wrong-gender hormones - there are very few and small issues with them.

[–]Riothamus 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

They lead to early mortality. Heart failure, liver toxicity, osteoporosis, and organ enlargement are no joke.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

When misused.

[–]Riothamus 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Which is most assuredly the case when they're prescribed to teenage girls.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Of course. I'm not arguing pro-tranny. But there is a hella lotta disinfo/misinfo about Anabolics in general, to the point that most people think they're poison. They're just hormones. Yes, they have complex effects on the biology, but no, these effects are neither unknown nor without solution.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Half of Hollywood is on something too. Safely.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You means besides massive hubris and recreational drugs? Yeah, I agree.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This book begs to differ, hormones definitely fuck you up. That's why they're selling them to trannies, because cis women figured out just how fucked up HRT was (all explained in the above book) and stopped taking them so they had to create a new market to dump their drugs. That new market was so-called "transkids" who are turned into lifelong HRT users.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sigh. I didn't say they weren't powerful and COULD NEVER screw somebody up. The example given was women allegedly "killing themselves using anabolic steroids" which, if you know what you are doing, DOES NOT HAPPEN.

And in the numerous cases where the person receives ill advice or doesn't know what they're doing, this is usually accompanied by a "victory at any cost whatsoever" mentality that ties in perfectly with other high risk behaviors.

I know this very personally, as I have been an athlete, around athletes, and coaching athletes for 20 years in total. That book isn't wrong, and I too, strongly oppose big pharma. But you have to realize that while a huge portion of what big pharma does is purely destructive, some things aren't terrible.

Take human growth hormone prescribed to aging patients that can afford the > $1,000 / month cost of this powerful rejuvenator: ask them if they would live without it. Ask Stallone how many movies he would have made past the age of 60 if he'd been forced to do without.

My point is, most of big pharma is evil, but anabolics aren't a huge problem if you know what you are doing. If you don't, or you are a total idiot, then yes you can fuck yourself up with them. Hell, you can commit suicide by drinking water if you are stupid or determined enough.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Stallone is an awesome actor but this topic has nothing to do with that. These people we're talking about here are not taking these drugs for endurance but for misguided and often delusional vanity reasons. Others are taking them because estrogen is considered the new "chemsex" drug. The latter category are outright drug addicts plain and simple, but even they are validated and enabled by the online trans community.

"I know this very personally, as I have been an athlete, around athletes, and coaching athletes for 20 years in total"

Ergo, you are not an impartial neutral observer. You have a vested personal interest and profit-motive in continuing the steroid industry. Thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest.

"If you don't, or you are a total idiot, then yes you can fuck yourself up with them."

What you don't seem to understand is that modern medicine has to anticipate the fact that "total idiots" are going to take their drugs, and have to build safeguards against that. There are no safgeguards anymore because people are transitioning under an informed consent model. They are literally self-diagnosing and ordering drugs on their own from sketchy darkweb sites, and this destructive and dangerous practice is openly encouraged and promoted by the online trans community. This form of self-diagnosis and self-medication is in no way comparable to professional athletes that have to undergo medical check-ups and doping-tests to even be allowed to compete.

Just because you read the word "steroid", don't assume it's about you and what you do. It's not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am not an athlete anymore and have quit training and coaching, so no conflict of interest, only vast experience.

The "steroids" topic was put in here regarding ATHLETES using ANABOLICS. I was pointing out the vast difference between athletes correctly using anabolics and the very many other types of drugs and uses that are comprised in the "steroids" moniker. Which is still often the use for the word "steroids" although they are also used for corticoids. Estrogen, progesterone and their derivatives are also technically steroids but nobody's going to brag about "being on steroids" for taking progesterone.

So you are quite right that "these people" (OK we're talking about trannies transitioning now, not ATHLETES using hormones for performance, totally different topic) are fucking themselves up. But that's not what I was replying to. I was replying to the guy conflating athletes and trannies as one thing, and here you accuse me of doing the same. Sigh. Read the thread entirely.

[–]Riothamus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You haven't read the thread correctly at all. I wasn't conflating athletes with trans people. I was remarking on how it wasn't controversial to point out it was a bad idea for women to take cross-sex hormones 20 years ago yet today doctors prescribe them to teenage girls.

You just have a weird white knight fixation on steroids and it clouds your ability to reason. The East German women's Olympic teams aren't doing too well healthwise these days, either.

[–]notdelusional 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Nobody knows that for certain. There are still many potential unknowns.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

As far as the anabolics though, the science is conclusive and all done. They're safe, WHEN USED CORRECTLY. Which is why they aren't prescribed anymore: there aren't any "we couldn't know they would hurt you when used THIS way" anymore.

[–]notdelusional 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Science is never "conclusive and done." That said I completely agree that the known risks associated AAS is overwhelmingly exaggerated in the public consciousness but the problem is that nobody agrees on what constitutes "correct" usage. It's highly subjective and anyone with experience in using them knows this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have tons of experience using and guiding people in their use. I have refined their correct use to a science. Yes, there are highly individual reactions to each compound. But no, there is no real unknown left anymore. You just haven't talked to the right people.

That said, I talk about PROPER use, from which minors are utterly excluded.

[–]notdelusional 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Come on bro. You, me, and every other gear monkey knows the experiment is not over.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am no gear monkey. I have studied and used them extensively and they have nothing left for me to discover about them. Unless you count adding the new growth factors and myostatin inhibitors as "new discoveries regarding steroids" but they really aren't.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Warning. I looked her up. Didn't expect that. Might have followed through, butterface.

Next one even worse. It might be kinky with a sweet face, but they're just brutal.

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Listen to Jason.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

You want to see a female athlete using anabolics correctly, search for Nataliya Kuznetsova. Here's her instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nataliya.amazonka/?hl=en

She might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I'd tap that.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'd be afraid to tap that. It's way too far for me and I can admit I'm 2.5% bi. Not my type. However, I might try a ride just once to see what it was like - if it/she didn't kill me. Also I'm curious to see how big her clit is.

Plus her face looks like Angelina Joli, who's face I could never find attractive. I could go into detail on what I hate but that's tediously beating a dead ugly horse.

BonusHoleBoys.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh and her clit is normal size. Maybe average +20% or something like that. There is zero visible virilization on her, which means she was guided properly in the use of anabolics, like the women I used to advise.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I didn't say they did it right... ;-)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lobotomies are more of the Orwellian Newspeak / neurolinguistic programming type nowadays. For example, you co-opt a word (such as "socialism" which the communists have successfully achieved) and tweak its meaning by using massive psyops. Then when nobody can think about the things that the word USED TO mean because there is no word for these things, you've achieved the same goal as a selective, precise "lobotomy" while preserving the individual's capacity as a good slave. It is much more efficient: it can be applied to whole populations, no need for expensive an labor-intensive surgery, etc.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks to the magic of MK Ultra.

[–]FediNetizen 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

and trans people get executed

For what, exactly? Even if they've got mental health issues that doesn't make it OK to kill them.

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For being trans. Who said anything about it being OK to kill them?

[–]FediNetizen 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For being trans. Who said anything about it being OK to kill them?

You did, bud.

That, or we have a revolution and trans people get executed or detransitioned if they are pro-op.

Why the fuck would we execute anyone?

[–]beermeem 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No, he fucking didn't.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

A wave of lawsuits would be awesome. Tavistock should be sued out of existence, since we're on the topic of the UK with Rowling.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

There will be no lolsuits because everyone is transitioning under informed consent nowadays, so they've signed away their right to sue.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Maybe. Sadly. There are some limitations to this, but I am no lawyer. For example, informed consent or not, you cannot sign yourself into slavery. Many contracts, AFAIK, are also void if you are deceived into signing them, but again I don't know if this is comparable in the legal world. That's an extreme and obvious case, of course, but I really have no idea how judges would rule in the future, given enough damage and given enough backlash. Could some of these people even give informed consent due to age or their mental conditions? You're a rape victim nowadays if you had a glass of wine and your enthusiastic consent from the night prior is null and naught, but if you are given a false bill of goods and get a frankenpenis or a dickgina, you have no basis to sue. It just doesn't seem consistent. Maybe true legally speaking, sadly, but not consistent.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. And reddit has an entire sub dedicated to transition horrors of botched surgery, online suicide notes, etc.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You should go and watch some interviews with the plastic surgeons that perform these surgeries, I have and these doctors are practically worshipped by their patients as demi-Gods. People have been transitioning for decades, in the past under even more questionable circumstances than we have today and there were never any massive lolsuits back then either. If there were going to be any lolsuits they would've happened already. The courts all over the world are overwhelmingly pro-trans and so is SCOTUS. I don't think any imaginary grand class action suit that will put an end to transitioning will ever happen. We're only going to see more and more extreme examples of grotesque and beyond-nightmarish transitions, detransitions and retransitions, transracialism, trans-age/age-reversal, trans-species with animal-looking parts grown out of genetically modified human tissue (because if you can do phalloplasty with an armskin tortilla, why not use the same technique to make a tail for some otherkin freak that wants one and has money?), it's only gonna get worse and worse. We're just seeing the beginning of this, but I think it's a pandora's box that cannot be closed. I think the greedy lawyers and doctors who paved the way for transgenderism are gonna love it because once you get into trans-species, you are literally creating new life forms that you can patent and own and the Intellectual Property lawyers are going to love the legal shitshow that will eventually cause. TL;DR lawyers and the courts will never be anti-trans because they have to much to gain from enabling this.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it was also very different back then. You really had to personally be invested to go through with SRS. You wouldn't get a TV show about it and you wouldn't be pushed into it before you are even an adult.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You wouldn't get a TV show Perhaps not a whole TV show but Christine Jorgensen was definitely a media sensation in her day and age. Media interest in trans people is not a recent thing. It goes all the way back to the freak shows with the bearded lady. What is new is cis people being expected to be fake-nice towards trans people, even while being genuinely repulsed by them. Society has decided that it's a great thing to force people to be fake-nice in the name of (fake-)tolerance and (non-)acceptance. Nevermind the fact that people aren't stupid, they know they're being pandered to and this only makes them feel more alienated and isolated because no one is telling them the truth straight up but they can sense it in the air and they can read it between the lines. Hearing what is unsaid it far worse than having it said outright.

It was very different back then. Those doctors may have been misguided but I think back then they genuinely thought they were helping people. Remember, this was at a time before secularism, when it was literally illegal to be gay and society was a lot more harsh, close-knit and judgemental than it is today. A lot of the transitioning requirements back then could not realistically be met in this day and age, there's too much entitlement, too much impatience, too much consumerism and too much of a blind trust in the medical establishment to fix any and every problem, pronto. There is no way you can realistically stealth while having a public profile and advertising your transition on all the social media for the whole world to see, even if the end result is "unclockable". Gender doctors almost want their patients to be out in the social media in order to use them as walking talking billboards to promote their plastic surgery services. It's very cynical and I have no hopes of this ever getting better, it's only going to get worse with ever more extreme surgeries and procedures. There will never be a "medical scandal" as JK Rowling claims because society wants to turn this into business as usual. If you have a shitty transition, SFW, just detrans and try again. Too much money to be made for anyone to hit the brakes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm ... yeah I'm not sure. You definitely make some good arguments and with 80% or more certainty it's going to turn out the way you said.

[–]Riothamus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Calling something "informed consent" doesn't necessarily make it so. If the doctors withheld vital information regarding the efficacy of transition or the side effects in order to gain consent to the procedures, then there was no informed consent and the doctors could be held liable.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Just because something unlawful happened doesn't mean the victim is able or willing to sue. Using the law is really expensive and trannies are generally poor. Organizations like the ACLU will not go after doctors, they're only busy fighting the culture war. Then there is the aspect I touched upon in my other comment, the fact that the online trans community worships doctors and treats them like demi-Gods. It has to do with the psychological attitudes of the online trans community towards the medical profession. If you read the trans subreddits, every time someone has a negative experience with a surgery, all the other trannies gather around and assure the botched victim that they just need to get even more surgery to fix the problems that the previous surgery caused. They brainwash each other to believe that human bodies can be endlessly assembled and disassembled and that every medical problem is fixable if you just throw enough money at it. Trans people are not going to take on the system that created them, they worship that system and believe it can do no wrong. They are extremely invested in maintaining the system and enabling others to transition because that's how they validate themselves, by reliving their experience over and over again through others. Look at what happens to trannies on Youtube that discuss their botched surgeries. The online trans community avoids them like the plague. Those botched trannies never have a million followers on Youtube or Instagram. People only want to see the surgeries that went well, not the botched examples. Everyone wants to be Jazz Jennings, if your first SRS fails, just have another one, just throwing more money and more surgery at your problems. Polysurgery is actively enabled and encouraged in the online trans community.

[–]Riothamus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm a lawyer. I was explaining the limitations of the informed consent doctrine. And paragraphs are your friends.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure, this is the internet so you are totally whatever you say you are, you will never be questioned about it and you are totally valid, everyone is a lawyer online until it's time for them to issue a legal disclaimer, LMAO. I have had nyms on Reddit insist that they are rocket scientists, chemistry wizards, when I queried them about it they said they actually have a friend of a friend who's a brain surgeon who just gave them a crash course on brain chemistry, etc. So glad to see this practice continues here on Saidit, we have a lot of brainpower here.

[–]Riothamus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Believe whatever the Hell you like, dude. Informed consent is covered in the first semester of torts in law school.

[–]bluegum 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't count on it. Just look at what they've done with the China virus

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

GI-NA!!! retarded hand-signaling

[–]scrubking 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gays didn't fizzle out and neither will trans, and not long from now they will be calling for pedo rights.

[–]72ndGender 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know what you are saying, but the trans thing is a completely different beast. It's a sexual fetish with a ton of legal liability for parents and the healthcare industry. And obviously just a social trend, instead of a biological deviation, like gays and lesbians. Trends go out of style, but I agree that the replacement trend (probably pedo "rights" like you said) will be much worse.

[–]notdelusional 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed, homosexuality is a phenomenom, transgenderism is a concept.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It will fizzle when trannies are acclaimed as heroes by everybody - OR ELSE.

Then it will be pedos' turn.

[–]cant_even 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

...followed by the dog-fuckers.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, true. After that it will be "animal-attracted" as a new sexual orientation.

Then animal transhumanism, where you won't just get mechanical parts added, but REPLACED by animal parts. What, you want actual horse thighs? No problem. You want to be a live Minotaur? Sure!

All degeneracy will come to be the height of style.

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That sounds like present day America actually.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed, we are there - or nearly.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, that's where we are.

[–]notdelusional 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What if the medical industry not admitting wrongdoing provides enough support for this trans thing to keep on going?

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even with that, the real world effects will pile up for everyone that has been harmed, and the coolness of the trend will die down at the same time. Trends never sustain. Not saying the trans thing will disappear. Just that 90% of the cases are purely for social reasons, so those will go away when it's not fashionable to be trans anymore.

[–]notdelusional 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hope you're right. Transgenderism is the most destructive concept of this age.