JK Rowling claims society is on brink of 'medical scandal' over transgender issues

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[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

I agree. Nobody talks about lobotomies anymore, but they were all the rage until the late 70's. It'll just be swept under the rug / unless our empire crumbles before that time comes, in which case retribution will be made.

I think blood eagles would be appropriate.

[–]Riothamus 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (29 children)

Back in the late 90s/early 2000s everyone agreed that women like Joanie Laurer (Chyna) and Nicole Bass were catastrophically fucking themselves up with anabolic steroids. Neither still lives.

Now quacks prescribe steroids to teenage girls who don't feel stereotypically feminine. We know where this road leads and we're called hateful for pointing it out.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

Steroids don't kill though, that's utter BS. They're just hormones. If you give the body what it needs to be in balance - yes even a balance skewed by wrong-gender hormones - there are very few and small issues with them.

[–]Riothamus 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

They lead to early mortality. Heart failure, liver toxicity, osteoporosis, and organ enlargement are no joke.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

When misused.

[–]Riothamus 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Which is most assuredly the case when they're prescribed to teenage girls.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Of course. I'm not arguing pro-tranny. But there is a hella lotta disinfo/misinfo about Anabolics in general, to the point that most people think they're poison. They're just hormones. Yes, they have complex effects on the biology, but no, these effects are neither unknown nor without solution.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Half of Hollywood is on something too. Safely.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You means besides massive hubris and recreational drugs? Yeah, I agree.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOL

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This book begs to differ, hormones definitely fuck you up. That's why they're selling them to trannies, because cis women figured out just how fucked up HRT was (all explained in the above book) and stopped taking them so they had to create a new market to dump their drugs. That new market was so-called "transkids" who are turned into lifelong HRT users.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sigh. I didn't say they weren't powerful and COULD NEVER screw somebody up. The example given was women allegedly "killing themselves using anabolic steroids" which, if you know what you are doing, DOES NOT HAPPEN.

And in the numerous cases where the person receives ill advice or doesn't know what they're doing, this is usually accompanied by a "victory at any cost whatsoever" mentality that ties in perfectly with other high risk behaviors.

I know this very personally, as I have been an athlete, around athletes, and coaching athletes for 20 years in total. That book isn't wrong, and I too, strongly oppose big pharma. But you have to realize that while a huge portion of what big pharma does is purely destructive, some things aren't terrible.

Take human growth hormone prescribed to aging patients that can afford the > $1,000 / month cost of this powerful rejuvenator: ask them if they would live without it. Ask Stallone how many movies he would have made past the age of 60 if he'd been forced to do without.

My point is, most of big pharma is evil, but anabolics aren't a huge problem if you know what you are doing. If you don't, or you are a total idiot, then yes you can fuck yourself up with them. Hell, you can commit suicide by drinking water if you are stupid or determined enough.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Stallone is an awesome actor but this topic has nothing to do with that. These people we're talking about here are not taking these drugs for endurance but for misguided and often delusional vanity reasons. Others are taking them because estrogen is considered the new "chemsex" drug. The latter category are outright drug addicts plain and simple, but even they are validated and enabled by the online trans community.

"I know this very personally, as I have been an athlete, around athletes, and coaching athletes for 20 years in total"

Ergo, you are not an impartial neutral observer. You have a vested personal interest and profit-motive in continuing the steroid industry. Thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest.

"If you don't, or you are a total idiot, then yes you can fuck yourself up with them."

What you don't seem to understand is that modern medicine has to anticipate the fact that "total idiots" are going to take their drugs, and have to build safeguards against that. There are no safgeguards anymore because people are transitioning under an informed consent model. They are literally self-diagnosing and ordering drugs on their own from sketchy darkweb sites, and this destructive and dangerous practice is openly encouraged and promoted by the online trans community. This form of self-diagnosis and self-medication is in no way comparable to professional athletes that have to undergo medical check-ups and doping-tests to even be allowed to compete.

Just because you read the word "steroid", don't assume it's about you and what you do. It's not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am not an athlete anymore and have quit training and coaching, so no conflict of interest, only vast experience.

The "steroids" topic was put in here regarding ATHLETES using ANABOLICS. I was pointing out the vast difference between athletes correctly using anabolics and the very many other types of drugs and uses that are comprised in the "steroids" moniker. Which is still often the use for the word "steroids" although they are also used for corticoids. Estrogen, progesterone and their derivatives are also technically steroids but nobody's going to brag about "being on steroids" for taking progesterone.

So you are quite right that "these people" (OK we're talking about trannies transitioning now, not ATHLETES using hormones for performance, totally different topic) are fucking themselves up. But that's not what I was replying to. I was replying to the guy conflating athletes and trannies as one thing, and here you accuse me of doing the same. Sigh. Read the thread entirely.

[–]Riothamus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You haven't read the thread correctly at all. I wasn't conflating athletes with trans people. I was remarking on how it wasn't controversial to point out it was a bad idea for women to take cross-sex hormones 20 years ago yet today doctors prescribe them to teenage girls.

You just have a weird white knight fixation on steroids and it clouds your ability to reason. The East German women's Olympic teams aren't doing too well healthwise these days, either.

[–]notdelusional 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Nobody knows that for certain. There are still many potential unknowns.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

As far as the anabolics though, the science is conclusive and all done. They're safe, WHEN USED CORRECTLY. Which is why they aren't prescribed anymore: there aren't any "we couldn't know they would hurt you when used THIS way" anymore.

[–]notdelusional 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Science is never "conclusive and done." That said I completely agree that the known risks associated AAS is overwhelmingly exaggerated in the public consciousness but the problem is that nobody agrees on what constitutes "correct" usage. It's highly subjective and anyone with experience in using them knows this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have tons of experience using and guiding people in their use. I have refined their correct use to a science. Yes, there are highly individual reactions to each compound. But no, there is no real unknown left anymore. You just haven't talked to the right people.

That said, I talk about PROPER use, from which minors are utterly excluded.

[–]notdelusional 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Come on bro. You, me, and every other gear monkey knows the experiment is not over.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am no gear monkey. I have studied and used them extensively and they have nothing left for me to discover about them. Unless you count adding the new growth factors and myostatin inhibitors as "new discoveries regarding steroids" but they really aren't.

[–]notdelusional 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's just a turn of phrase. I wouldn't trust anyone who thinks they know everything.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Warning. I looked her up. Didn't expect that. Might have followed through, butterface.

Next one even worse. It might be kinky with a sweet face, but they're just brutal.

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Listen to Jason.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

You want to see a female athlete using anabolics correctly, search for Nataliya Kuznetsova. Here's her instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nataliya.amazonka/?hl=en

She might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I'd tap that.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'd be afraid to tap that. It's way too far for me and I can admit I'm 2.5% bi. Not my type. However, I might try a ride just once to see what it was like - if it/she didn't kill me. Also I'm curious to see how big her clit is.

Plus her face looks like Angelina Joli, who's face I could never find attractive. I could go into detail on what I hate but that's tediously beating a dead ugly horse.

BonusHoleBoys.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh and her clit is normal size. Maybe average +20% or something like that. There is zero visible virilization on her, which means she was guided properly in the use of anabolics, like the women I used to advise.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I didn't say they did it right... ;-)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lobotomies are more of the Orwellian Newspeak / neurolinguistic programming type nowadays. For example, you co-opt a word (such as "socialism" which the communists have successfully achieved) and tweak its meaning by using massive psyops. Then when nobody can think about the things that the word USED TO mean because there is no word for these things, you've achieved the same goal as a selective, precise "lobotomy" while preserving the individual's capacity as a good slave. It is much more efficient: it can be applied to whole populations, no need for expensive an labor-intensive surgery, etc.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks to the magic of MK Ultra.