It’s not climate change that’s causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why

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[–]Alphix 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Heat waves in summer! OMG!

Let's not talk about the cold snaps in winter, though! Oh noes!

I mean, there IS climate change. There has always been climate change, and there will always be climate change. This is one of the times though that we can observe the climate changing on ALL THE PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AT THE SAME TIME.

Gee, I wonder what could do that? It must be fossil fuels! No, cow farts!

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

we can observe the climate changing on ALL THE PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AT THE SAME TIME.

No we can't.

Be serious. How much information do you think we have about the climate of Jupiter? Or Venus? Or even Mars?

We know a few things like the facts that Mars has seasons and Jupiter's Red Spot is a storm, and we have a reasonably good idea of the average temperatures of the planets but not enough to say we can observe their climate changing.

What even counts as climate on Saturn? Or Neptune?

Neptune was discovered only about 180 years ago, and for most of that time we knew literally nothing about either the weather conditions or climate on the planet. (As opposed to what we know now, which is one fifth of fuck all.) It takes Neptune 165 years to go around the sun so we've only known about it's existence for barely more than one of its years, and you think that we're such experts about Neptunian global climate that we could even tell whether it was changing or not? Get the fuck out of here, you're dreaming.

In any case, regardless of what's happening on other planets, what's happening on earth is the same plus even more because of the near doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere. Since pre-industrial times, we've added roughly 780 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere, as well as other greenhouse gases such as methane.

So even if there was some small component of solar heating and cooling (which usually goes in cycles of about 22 years) there has been a massive trend added to that tiny cycle.

CC u/Death_By_Democracy

[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. It is the sun + various cycles.
Currently the sun is extremely active in solar flares.
And a single flare can increase the temperature a few Celsius for a few weeks.

[–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is one of the times though that we can observe the climate changing on ALL THE PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AT THE SAME TIME.

Unlikely. Your source?

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

There are tons of these but here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-LP3t0_dQ

[–]Death_By_Democracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Where are the measurements? This is just nonsense. We don't even have a record of climate of Mars (for example) going back beyond the past few decades.

https://www.epj-conferences.org/articles/epjconf/pdf/2009/01/epjconf1020.pdf

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are tons of measurement, just not the ones YOU want apparently.

YOU are nonsense.

[–]Death_By_Democracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You haven't given any measurements. That's the problem here.

https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global-temperature-records-broken

[–]Yggdratruth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hahaha. Exactly.

[–]LuchoSun 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's natural that this happens...

[–]SoCo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

People fall for the same tricks every time.

There is even a good reason for weather to be disrupted this summer, El Nino after a historic 3 strait years of La Nina. This has an expected global impact on weather in various ways. Hot water temperatures off the coast of Europe is especially a direct result, which corporate media and climate alarmist are conveniently pretending to forget.

[–]Alienhunter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Every summer you see the same thing. Bunch of alarmist headlines. Bunch of poorly written articles using some weird measurement system to mislead people as to what it actually means. It's the problem with the ends justify the means people who think lying to the public is good so long as it makes the public think the right way, but it doesn't even do that since people get wise to the fact they are being lied to and will throw it all out instead of doing some smart stuff like maybe building some extra levies and flood control devices near costal cities. You know, fix the problems with infrastructure rather than going about throwing a fit in traffic.

No instead lets get articles that say crap like "Ocean temperature at 100 degrees" then fail to mention that it's the temperature at the ocean surface and not the actual water temperature. Anyone with a lick of sense will realize that it's bullshit and the alarmist idiots will just not read it and go do their hail gaia prayers instead.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, if people knew the basic ocean heat content, it'd be much clearer what is going on.

That's the most straightforward evidence of global warming.

The ocean is large and heavy, so the heat content doesn't bounce around like the temperature of the near-surface air.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here is a very good explanation of the real-world greenhouse effect.
Understanding the Greenhouse effect

Back to the measurements:
The ocean heat is very stable. We are only measuring it differently.
The in the water weather stations are replaced with satellite sensors.
So instead of the actual water temperature we measure the water surface temperature.
And the water surface is always a lot hotter in the sun.

This change in measurement is not mentioned by the alarmists,
They think that a "small lie" will warn people.
They BELIEVE that there is warming due to the widespread propaganda.
So they became ACTIVISTS instead of scientists. A bit like yourself.
A huge difference.

Another problem is that MODELS instead of reality are used
to fill in gabs and to fill in actual data that is different.
The models they are all using is about CO2 drama and not about physical reality.
(See video above)
And that is because the universities and institutions have banned people from doing actual science,
due to the way politics have hijacked the universities and research.
So the published maps are full with fantasy instead of reality.
You have to look at the original weather maps, before the model adaption, to see the real situation.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There is even a good reason for weather to be disrupted this summer, El Nino after a historic 3 strait years of La Nina.

Not a particularly intense La Nina. There were a few months in late 2020 where it crossed the border to "strong" La Nina.

And not that historic. In 2002 we ended a longer period of La Nina.

ENSO

Another thing that is making it warmer is global warming.

which corporate media and climate alarmist are conveniently pretending to forget.

Corporate? Big sunshine?

Those big sunshine cartels. Controlling the world's reserves of sunshine. And wind.

FFS, the corporate money sits entirely on the science denial side of this issue.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sort of. There's certainly a lot of money to be made in oil but that's already an entrenched market.

Thing with novel green energy solutions is the market is wide open which allows for various startups of dubious value to compete for subsidiaries that the government loves to toss around. And the government isn't exactly a great source of accurate scientific knowledge or innovation.

Start a company that makes some kind of weird untested algae solution, get government funding to avoid actually having to produce an effective product. Then practice creative accounting of the Hollywood style. Dump the company when the money dries up leaving your workers fucked then retire to the next start up.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, the 3 years in a row of La Nina was a first for this century.

Are you saying all the big corporate news stations, all ran by the same 2 or 3 massive parent corporations ... are all push climate denial? I'm not seeing that from them. I'm seeing them push the science denial and climate religion.

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    [–]ActuallyNot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, it's not like it's complicated.

    Increasing greenhouse gasses increases the greenhouse effect.

    It's a credit to their PR techniques that there's people that say "hoax!", even now that the first high-cost high-casualty tipping point of the loss of the northern summer sea ice, is already in the post.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Fossil fuels have helped poor black people to have the lowest extreme poverty in human history. Therefore opposition to fossil fuels is racist.

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Who gives a fuck about inequality. I'm talking about people getting anti biotics and not starving to death.

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        It's not a joke. If you care about humanity at all, then you care about extreme poverty. Do you ever wonder why we don't talk about 'feeding Africa' anymore? It's called progress. Thank you industry.

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          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Go on, use your logic and debunk it. You can do it.

          [–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Fossil fuels have helped poor black people

          Sure. And now we have to transition away from fossil fuels. That doesn't mean cut them off from energy. It means be smarter about where the energy comes from.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          aye. but there's nothing to transition to, since the eco freaks have taken nuclear off the table.

          [–]dissidentrhetoric 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          The heat wave was actually caused by my farts

          [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Anthony Watts has been selling misinformation about climate change for the industry for decades.

          And Newscorp has been selling climate change denial for someone since before Fox News.

          The reality is that the heat waves are one of the things that have been predicted for years to increase due to anthropogenic climate change.

          That increase has been observed, long before the current heatwaves.

          The claim that the heat is not related to the warming is nearly as stupid as it sounds. There are effects from the warming that increase the heatwaves, over and above the warming. But even just linearly, the globe is warmer, so the heat waves will be generally hotter.

          [–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Police drone caught a suspected arsonist in Calabria, southern Italy, during the widespread wildfire VIDEO

          [–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          So what? If it wasn't an arsonist starting the fire, it have been a lightening strike, or a stray spark from machinery, or a car backfiring, or a carelessly discarded cigarette. What point do you think you are making?

          "ItS NoT GLoBaL WArMInG ANd theRE iS nO DrOuGhT BEcAuSE aRSoNIsTS!!!1!"

          [–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Most wild fires are started by humans. And I believe many are intentional.

          See /r/ClimateSkeptics about the long term weather forecast.

          [–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Most wild fires are started by humans.

          Um, yes? What's your point?

          Careless humans and malicious arsonists are part of the ecology now. People have been starting fires on this planet for probably thirty or forty thousand years, and have shaped the ecosystem of the North American prairies and Australia (and probably other places too).

          Is your plan to deal with hotter, drier conditions leading to more forest fires "Just tell people to stop starting wild fires"?

          [–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The very first thing you should know about this article is that the author lies about Anthony Watts' qualifications. Right there, every single word he says should be doubted because he proves himself to be a liar.

          Quote:

          Meteorologist Anthony Watts, who works with me as a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute

          Anthony Watts is not a meteorologist. He does not hold any qualifications in meterology. He is a weatherman, blogger and professional Denialist funded by industry.

          The author of this propaganda piece is not some random guy on social media who could be excused for making a mistake about Watts' qualifications. He is a professional and "director of the Socialism Research Center at The Heartland Institute" so if he inflates Watts' qualifications, its not a mistake but a deliberate attempt to fool his readers.

          You should know that Watts and the author of this piece, Justin Haskins, want to have their cake and eat it too. They're not looking for real climate science, they just cherry pick anything and everything that can be twisted to cause doubt in people's minds.

          • When the land temperature record shows that temperatures across the US have increased, Watts tries to cast doubt on the temperature record by wrongly claiming that they are biased to show warming.
          • When he and Haskins want to pretend that nothing has changed, they cherry pick data from those exact same weather stations that he says are unreliable but now treats them as gospel.

          Quoting the article: "it’s true that some parts of the U.S. have seen the number of hotter-than-usual days increase over the past 70 years" -- yeah no shit Sherlock, that's what's called climate change.

          A few places have got cooler. A few places have stayed the same. Most places have warmed. That's climate change for you.

          [–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Hands up anyone who has had an actual heat wave this summer and not just normal summer weather.

          [–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In my location of Arkansas, it has been normal, and less brutal than the heat of last year. The spring was cooler than normal. Winters have been getting colder. But the hail storm we had last month was unlike anything I had ever witnessed. My whole neighborhood is still rebuilding. Workers are busy repairing the damage done to homes, especially to the roofs.

          It's not global warming, because cold records are also being broken, so they like to call it a more generic "climate change" and blame it on "Carbon" (instead of saying Carbon Dioxide). But the truth is: the earth is changing and it is not because of CO2, but is due to SIN. Today is like the days of Noah, when the flood came and washed the wicked men away.

          [–]Musky[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          ✋

          https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/brutal-heat-wave-makes-texas-hottest-places-earth-rcna91584

          [–]Death_By_Democracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

          https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ContentWOC/images/globaltemp/global_gis_2022_chart.png

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

          Oh. My. God. 1 degree hotter.

          [–]Death_By_Democracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          1 degree globally as an average rise. The fact remains that the temperature is rising, and is likely to be higher now than at any time in the past 100,000 years.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          It's almost like the earth is constantly changing

          [–]Death_By_Democracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          The records of the last one and a half hundred years agrees with you. The Earth is constantly changing. One of the changes is a clear upward trend in global temperature led by CO2 levels.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes, the temperature has been increasing lately.

          [–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

          Yes. One degree over the entire fucking planet. Do you have any idea how much extra heat that is? And what it does to the world's climate zones?

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

          There will be some new challenges in an ever changing earth for sure. But it is hubris to say that 1. humans caused all or most of it 2. humans can safely fix it 3. it is an existential crisis to humanity. Maybe 3 isn't hubris. You catch my drift.

          [–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Number 2 is the gold standard.

          There are two parts to the climate debate, one recognized and one un-recognized. The first question is whether anthropogenic climate change exists and assuming so, what is the magnitude of that change? Good questions, food for good science (though once people put the conclusion before the research - as in the past 25 years - the $cience turns to the crap we've been fed through the MSM).

          But the second part is what you point out here, and it is NEVER talked about. You said it perfectly: hubris. The only thing worse than our activities potentially accidentally affecting climate is the self-conscious attempt to "fix" it. The raw arrogance and ignorance embedded in that word when applied to the natural system of atmospheric composition and function on Earth is mind-boggling. But humans have always been profoundly blind to our true nature as incrementally more intelligent apes, believing ourselves to possess WAY greater capacity for understanding than that which we actually possess.

          Great comment.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Thanks. Trying to fix a system that you don't understand is idiocy. The older I get, the more I agree with your sentiment 'our true nature as incrementally more intelligent apes'.

          [–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

          But it is hubris to say that 1. humans caused all or most of it

          Why do you say this? Thousands of years ago human activity was capable of massively reshaping the earth's ecology using nothing but stone tools, muscle power and fire, with a global population measured in the millions. And you think that eight billion people equipped with modern technology can't change the planet???

          We've turned fertile land into deserts, and turned deserts green. We've drained lakes and swamps, reclaimed land from the sea, reversed the direction of river flows. We've driven thousands of species extinct, changed the landscape of every continent except Antarctica, and built artificial islands. During the first Gulf War, the smoke from the oil wells temporarily lowered temperatures world-wide. We've made nearly 40 million miles of road and poured 900 billion tonnes of concrete, enough to cover the entire state of California more than a yard deep.

          And we have permanently added roughly 780 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere since pre-industrial times. That's a lot, more than a 50% increase, and we're well on the way to a 100% increase.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          I don't think we're ready to safely alter the Earth's climate, seeing as we can't even accurately model the climate. We seem to not fully understand the sun and clouds.

          As for humans causing this issue, lots of you climate alarmists assume and parrot that humans have caused 100% of C02 increases since pre industrial. Meanwhile particular studies have shown that humans are only responsible for 10% of the C02 increases. This is not openly debated and discussed, because climate change has become a political movement and religion. Some of these people even admit it!

          [–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

          I don't think we're ready to safely alter the Earth's climate

          And yet we are doing it anyway.

          Meanwhile particular studies have shown that humans are only responsible for 10% of the C02 increases.

          Actual studies, or quote-unquote "studies"?

          What are these studies?

          Can you count? If you can count, you can add up the amount of fossil fuels we've burned since the industrial revolution, add the amount from deforestation, and subtract the extra growth in plants, and that gives you the excess release in CO2 we're responsible for.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          Anthropogenic emissions are equal to approximately 3 percent of the total emissions of CO2 by natural sources...

          https://www.britannica.com/science/global-warming/Carbon-dioxide#ref1254402

          [–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          What matters is not the emissions alone but the balance between emissions adding CO2 to the atmosphere and carbon sinks taking it out again. CO2 emissions from natural sources have been in balance with the carbon sinks taking it out again. This is why atmospheric CO2 has been steady for tens of thousands of ten thousand years, giving us relatively steady and predictable climate for the entire history of mankind.

          (Edit: multiple tens of thousands is too high. Ten thousand is about right.)

          Now it is rising and we're entering a period of climate chaos that will destabilise weather systems, shift climate zones, and change the balance of power between nations as some countries get better climate and others get worse. (Ironically, it seems likely that Europe and the USA will be among the losers and Russia among the winners, at least for a short while.)

          The good news: at least so far, increased plant growth has taken up much of the excess CO2 we're producing, slowing the rate of increase.

          The bad news: even with that additional plant growth, there is still a large imbalance and CO2 in the atmosphere continues to increase at an accelerating rate. The worse news: plants ability to take up CO2 depends on temperature, and as temperatures continue to increase and land plants suffer from heat stress, their ability to absorb CO2 will drop.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          Are you sure about c02 being stable for 10s of thousands of years? This does not look stable to me https://johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CO2-Temperature%20420%20kyr.gif

          [–]Death_By_Democracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ContentWOC/images/globaltemp/agreement_gis_2019.gif

          [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          This consistency between the different groups measuring temperature is really telling.

          It shows that the science is good when the RSS satellite measured temperature is right in alignment with the temperature station based measurements.

          And that shows that there's no bias from the stations themselves, which is one of Watt's key lies.

          [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The satellites measure ground temp though which is different than weather stations which measure the air.

          So that really doesn't help negate the idea that stations are being placed in areas where the ground temp effects their readings, like airports.

          [–]Evola 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Heat paranoia is the excuse the media will use for vaccine deaths.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          That’s why we need a world government to stop pandemics, climate change, racism, end world hunger, fix the environment, stop wars, take us to mars, convince aliens we are civilized, end terrorism, distribute wealth evenly, stop nationalism, throw trump in jail, throw everyone against lgbt in jail, arrest Christians, sexually liberate children.