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[–]Wrangel 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is how jews fight, sneakily and through assassinations. Iranian high ups are murdered all the time. In the Afghanistan and Iraq wars they made drone strikes killing entire families the norm.

They aren't the type to fight a big open battle, they are the type that will fight dirty.

[–]oligarchracy 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's possible they were also trying to murder Dugin himself but just managed to kill his daughter.

Is the anti-Russian camp that desperate for a "win" that they are willing to murder the daughter of a powerless man who's had the role of a bogeyman foisted upon him?

You think Neocons give a shit? Their Ukrainian proxies shelled the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, apparently trying to intentionally cause a nuclear disaster that would spread radiation throughout Russia, Ukraine and much of Europe. Apparently a munition of some kind landed 10-15 meters away from a critical cooling component, and they took out the plants back up cooling systems with the shelling.

Do you understand how utterly depraved that is? And the worst part is the western media is covering it up and playing stupid. Initially implying the Russians shelled their own fucking positions. When the apparently lone semi sane shabbos goy stoodge left in Europe-Macron-spoke with Zelensky telling him to knock this shit off, the (((media))) then attacked him for taking the most modest of measures to ensure his country doesnt become an irradiated wasteland, something the media is apparently totally cool with so long as they can somehow blame the Russians.

[–]NeoRail[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The nuclear power plant stuff is ample proof that a lot of people who have political power really should not have it. Risking a nuclear disaster on your own territory out of sheer stubbornness is beyond reckless.

[–]oligarchracy 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This isnt the first time either. They played the same game with Chernobyl early on, and the media also covered for them then. It's ample proof of a lot of things, namely that the neocohens are even more psychotic than we thought. They are risking global nuclear war trying to achieve regime change in Russia, repeatedly risking a nuclear plant disaster that could render large swaths of Ukraine and Europe uninhabitable pretty much indefinitely, sacrificed tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives and counting. Apparently blowing trillions of dollars killing hundreds of thousands of people in the middle east was just a warm up. Assasinating the daughter of an advisor to the leader of a nuclear power is just another day at the office for these people.

The trail of wreckage these imbeciles have left is incredible, and yet they are basically running the show in the US, and by extension the entire west, at least until they fuck things up so badly that they are pushed out of power or destroy the countries they control. Thank god they're incompetent because if they were half as smart as they think they are we'd all be truly fucked. We also know there is now virtually no difference between neoliberals and neocons. They are just two sides of the same shekel.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank god they're incompetent because if they were half as smart as they think they are we'd all be truly fucked

Its still too early to tell which way this is going to go. The era of Americas dominance is now coming to an end, but the WEF is still going ahead with their great reset.

[–]oligarchracy 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's probably not coincidence that Dugin recently gave a speech in which he all but named them.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This.

[–]bug-in-recovery 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The amount of redditors rejoicing over it "hahaha fried orc chips" makes my blood boil.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Quick question: Do you think participating on r/asktrumpsupporters is worth it? From lurking non supporters seem absolutely exhausting to debate with bad faith replies, shifting the goalposts, passive aggressiveness etc, and then they gloat on subs like askashitlib - https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/wsgu2z/why_do_you_think_there_are_more_users_at/

Is there much point on doing so?

[–]pcpmasterraceDer Ewige Anglo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It was an attempt on his life, they were supposed to be traveling together.

[–]disidentHRNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I don't know what to make of this, I'm asking myself who benefits but I really don't have any good answer, because objectively Dugin seems to be such a low-priority target, both for the Ukrainians and for the Russians.

Then again, that's objectively, I don't think Ukrainian military intelligence is that intelligent (considering they sent a drone 1000km away from the target, straight into Croatia), they might as well have fallen to the meme that Dugin is le evil mastermind, the architect of war, Putin's guru, etc.

Some Ukrainians are saying that it's some internal power struggle within Russia, that Darya was active political figure in Kremlin, and that is highly unlikely (as far as I know, both were supportive of Putin, they only criticized him for not being more of a rignat).

I wonder what Dugin will say about this, what interests me the most is why did he switch cars at last minute (it was his car, but that "last minute" bit might be sensationalized).

[–]NeoRail[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Initially I also suspected that Putin may have used the war to try and get rid of Dugin, but I don't think that's it. Dugin lacks the influence to threaten Putin, and besides this event will only generate public sympathy for him. In all likelihood, I think the Ukrainians must have done this. I think they should be aware that Dugin has no power in Russia, but this is probably just their way of lashing out in an act of ethnic vengeance without any considerations of strategy coming into play - there has been plenty of that in the past months. Also, since in the West Dugin is presented as some shadowy mastermind in control of Russia, it is possible that they may have aimed at some PR victory in order to demonstrate that they can strike back and win the war despite the lack of any military success.

I don't think Dugin knew about this or switched cars for any specific reasons. After all, it is his daughter who died, and he seems to be in shock. It was probably just a coincidence. I also don't think this was an internal issue, because it seems like a very major escalation for an internal conflict. There are much more civilised ways to resolve political disagreements.

As a side note, there are a lot of really awful people in these Twitter threads. Under the tweet you sent me, some people are discussing the potential murder of Zhirinovsky's children, despite them having nothing to do with his politics. I have also already seen lots of people gloating about Darya's murder as well, justifying it in all sorts of abhorrent ways. I am once again genuinely stunned. Perhaps the joke is on me for falling for a progressive talking point and assuming that we had left stuff like this behind us in the Middle Ages. Then again, whatever can be said about them, actual blood feuds at least had a traditional character, so this type of base bloodthirst is actually much worse.

(as far as I know, both were supportive of Putin, they only criticized him for not being more of a rignat).

What's a rignat? Rigger nationalism, as in anti-democracy?

[–]disidentHRNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

but this is probably just their way of lashing out in an act of ethnic vengeance without any considerations of strategy coming into play

Yeah I think this might be it, good point.

I don't think Dugin knew about this or switched cars for any specific reasons. After all, it is his daughter who died, and he seems to be in shock.

I wasn't implying he knew about it or something insidious, just the reason why he switched cars (as in, "you go home Darya, I'll stay a bit more" or something like that).

I have also already seen lots of people gloating about Darya's murder as well, justifying it in all sorts of abhorrent ways.

It must be that Ukrainians genuinely believe that Dugin is Putin's ideologue and the architect of war. If you believe that, I see why you would rejoice over this, because he'd be responsible for deaths of thousands, and Dugin's fate is worse than his own death quite frankly. Of course, I don't believe this, so it looks quite shocking to me as well.

I mean, there are genuinely bloodthirsty people, but most of them are ordinary people turned extremist because of all the propaganda they're fed.

What's a rignat?

Just me trying to be funny and failing lol, I meant russian wignat (similar to jignat).

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I mean, there are genuinely bloodthirsty people, but most of them are ordinary people turned extremist because of all the propaganda they're fed.

People are reading American Extremist by Josh Neal.

[–]disidentHRNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, huge engorse for that book and for the author :)

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I wasn't implying he knew about it or something insidious, just the reason why he switched cars (as in, "you go home Darya, I'll stay a bit more" or something like that).

That's probably it. They were at a festival and the name of the festival was Tradition, so it's possible that he just stayed behind to chat with others on political and philosophical matters.

It must be that Ukrainians genuinely believe that Dugin is Putin's ideologue and the architect of war.

It is not just Ukrainians either, I am seeing people from the NATO countries as well - Americans, Germans, Frenchmen etc.

I mean, there are genuinely bloodthirsty people, but most of them are ordinary people turned extremist because of all the propaganda they're fed.

I understand that it is very difficult to escape the effects of modern propaganda intellectually, but people still bear moral responsibility for their reaction to this propaganda. I think celebrating the murder of the family members of an enemy is a clear, universal line that should not be crossed. Propaganda alone is not sufficient in order to cross that line.

Just me trying to be funny and failing lol, I meant russian wignat

I see. I am actually not sure what Dugin's position is on reforming Russia. I assume he promotes a more hard-line approach to relations with the West? He claims to be against chauvinism, so I don't know what his stance on nationalism and ultranationalism is, exactly.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see. I am actually not sure what Dugin's position is on reforming Russia. I assume he promotes a more hard-line approach to relations with the West? He claims to be against chauvinism, so I don't know what his stance on nationalism and ultranationalism is, exactly.

My understanding is that he wants Russia to be a Continental power house that has influence over the region and the world. He opposes globalism and wants Russia's racial and ethnic make-up to not be altered by importation of non Russians. In other words he wants the Russia empire to go it's own way and oppose the Anglo-Jewish empire and it's agents of subversion like Soros. He's a low key Russian nationalist that wants other regional powers to also oppose globo homo.

Someone that knows him better please chime in if I'm wrong here.

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a more general position that a lot of Russian politicians maintain. Opposing liberalism is very common today. What I am more curious about is the specifics, the positive content of his ideology.

[–]disidentHRNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

but people still bear moral responsibility for their reaction to this propaganda

I share your sentiment, but then again, if Jonathan Greenblatt's hypothetical daughter, who is hypothetically supporter of his, was shot in the street by some hypothetical dindu, I wouldn't have any sympathy at all (in fact, it would be well deserved). I agree that the lack of respect for the dead is troubling, but "libs" have crossed that line in 1945 with what they did to Mussolini, and they kept crossing it again and again, keep crossing it, be it desacrating Ante Pavelić's tomb, playing with Franco's bones all the time, rejoicing over Tom Metzger's death, saying WLP deserved cancer, etc., etc.

I despise that, but it's important to understand where they're coming from, this is nothing new, especially if you think this guy and by proxy his supportive daughter are responsible for deaths of tens of thousands of your countrymen.

He claims to be against chauvinism, so I don't know what his stance on nationalism and ultranationalism is, exactly.

Honestly, this seems like a contradictory position he holds, you can't be anti-chauvinist and say "kill Ukrainians" on a video lol

He's just Russian imperialist, Eurasia from Dublin to Vladivostok type of guy. But like /u/send_nasty_stuff, I am not an expert so I welcome corrections if I'm wrong too. I only read a single book from Dugin, and it was about conspirology, not geopolitics.

[–]NeoRail[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't expect liberals to sympathise with their enemies, but there are still certain boundaries that ought to be respected. I think useless cruelty like this definitely lies outside those boundaries, but it is possible that this view of mine is less universal than I previously believed.

Honestly, this seems like a contradictory position he holds, you can't be anti-chauvinist and say "kill Ukrainians" on a video lol

I thought the same thing, which is why I double checked that quote earlier. Apparently, it's just another case of shameless journalistic lying. Dugin's statement was referring to anti-Russian political actors during the 2014 events in Ukraine, not to the Ukrainian people as a whole. The same despicable form of lying is already being used in order to tarnish Darya Dugina's reputation as well - some journalist on Twitter has quoted her as saying that "Ukrainians are subhuman/unpeople" and that Russians need to be harsher on them. The source he offered, meanwhile, shows her making a very different statement, specifically that a certain subset of the Ukrainian military and paramilitary forces are behaving in an inhuman manner, and that the Russian state should be harsher on Ukrainian servicemen found guilty of criminal acts. The outrageous, astonishing dishonesty that goes into a lie like this is underlined by the fact that Darya has only very recently passed. How journalists can live with themselves at all, I really cannot tell.

At any rate, I am assuming that the "Dublin to Vladivostok" quote is a similar case. To my knowledge, Dugin promotes the idea of a decentralised, pluralistic Eurasian empire based on Traditional principles and self-government - a rather different ideal to that of a new, exaggerated Russian imperialism. The issue is that, if I am understanding things correctly, Dugin's political ideas actually seem fairly sensible and in conformity with circumstances of the Russian state, in which case it is difficult to imagine why he has been marginalised instead of endorsed. It is also difficult to see where exactly his radical reputation is coming from, since he does not seem especially invested in nationalism or any form of revolutionary politics. He seems to be more concerned with a practical anti-liberalism than with anything else. I could imagine him as a revolutionary traditionalist, I suppose, but he doesn't seem to borrow too extensively from the Traditionalists either - his ideology seems to be an ideology of 'authenticity' to pre-modern culture, but doesn't strike me as especially revolutionary or holistic.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The outrageous, astonishing dishonesty that goes into a lie like this is underlined by the fact that Darya has only very recently passed. How journalists can live with themselves at all, I really cannot tell.

You know how when you lie you can feel it in your blood? I feel it as like heat in my face other people might feel something a bit different. But yeah, that's what jews and spiritual jews feel when they tell the truth about anything, hence the constant lying.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I dont think they see it in terms of lies or truth. They see it in terms of what benefits me and what can I make other people believe. Thats it. Truth is irrelevent, and strict adherence to truth is seen as a sign of stupidity.

They simply cant fathom why someone would tell the truth if its not advantageous to them. They figure people who do that are simply too dumb to lie effectively.

I actually saw an ashkenazi jew on ruqqus ridicule sephardic and mizrahi jews over their alleged lack of lying ability. He basically said they’re too dumb to subvert goys.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'll add that since they effectively took control over the internet and mobilized the Jewish community in attacking whites and suppressing criticism, they have shifted their tactics. They no longer attempt to convince people that their lies are the truth. They now basically just force people to believe their lies. You either believe them or they censor and deplatform you while threatening your livelyhood and freedom and mobilizing mobs to come after you. You saw this during the summer of Floyd and the mass deplatformings that occured shortly before and during it. People are literally too scared to say the truth now, and convince themselves the lies are true simply to avoid punishment and make life easier.

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People are literally too scared to say the truth now, and convince themselves the lies are true simply to avoid punishment and make life easier.

This is absolutely a real phenomenon, and this principle can be used to explain all kinds of things, including for example the QAnon stuff.

[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know what to make of this, I'm asking myself who benefits but I really don't have any good answer, because objectively Dugin seems to be such a low-priority target, both for the Ukrainians and for the Russians.

I'm surprised that you dont think Dugin would be a high priority target of the neocons running the Ukraine war in Washington. His name has popped up frequently in the Jew media here. I've seen numerous articles and hit pieces identifying him as Putin's brain. I would also imagine a lot of Russian Jewish oligarchs hate Dugin and blame him for Putin's nationalist turn.

If I had to place odds, id bet that this was most likely a CIA/MI6 operation, possibly aided by the mossad(since a shit ton of Israeli Jews came from Russia, including some oligarchs currently hiding out there). There may have been no Ukrainian involvement at all. Could have been pro globohomo Russian "dissidents"(or possibly some Ukrainians) trained and/or aided by the CIA.

There have been a recent wave of explosions in Crimea and other Russian held areas that seem to be part of a CIA campaign of terrorism/sabotage, probably using Ukrainians trained by the CIA, and this might also be part of that. The war has not been going well for Ukraine militarily and I think the Ukrainian Army is getting worn out at this point, so the CIA probably got the greenlight to go full on dirty war, using people they've been training. The targeting of Nuclear plants under Russian control was also possibly part of this campaign.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Rignat?

[–]disidentHRNational Socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Russian wignat. I tried my improvised spin on "jignat" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have no idea why anyone would do this

https://i.postimg.cc/J4070kFY/1661043304483078.jpg

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Just wait when the biosphere collapses.

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'd rather that not happen, if possible.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm afraid it's inevitable at this point.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Good thing I have 400 tins of beans

[–]disidentHRNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This nigga eating beans

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

BEANS

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

400 tins? You need 400 tons, at least.

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suppose it wouldn't really bother me too much, but that would still be very unfortunate for future generations.