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[–]AidsVictim69 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

There's really no need to become overly fixated on seed oils, just like how soy was the "it" problem for a few years. 90% of the average Americans weight problems can be traced back to too many calories and too many of those calories being from some form of sugar. It's great if people are educating themselves about the healthiest diet but the average persons problem is simply that they eat too much.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

the average persons problem is simply that they eat too much.

And they don't get enough protein. Everyone should get at least 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight they have (unless they're obese, then you do height in cm although more protein is never bad really), if everyone was doing this it would make a bigger difference than any other dietary change.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's a gram per kilo of body weight for optimal protein. At 6' 200lbs I supposedly need a bare minimum of 65g of protein, but optimal is 90-120, and for dieting, 165g really keeps me from being hungry. That's a ton of protein already.

And someone pointed out, if you're getting stanky protein poops, you're just shitting out protein your body isn't using.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Don't listen to soyentists that don't want you to pack on endless meat brother. Those farts and shits are a gift from Brodin.

On a serious note, the 'excess' protein isn't about adding extra muscle, it's about suppressing appetite for people who want to cut, maintain or just not over eat when they're bulking. Protein is just the best way.

It's 1g per lean pound of bodyweight optimally, so your 165g is probably about right assuming you aren't shredded to the bone. Still, anything beyond that is good for weight maintenance and managing appetite.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

too long; didn't read

[–]Ponderer 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Quality post with excellent information. Thanks for writing this.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This is all good advice, but the real dietary issue of our day is the lack of protein in people's diets; the constant increasing price of protein sources (definitely intentional) and the demonisation of protein sources as being evil (keto bad, carnivore diet bad, eating any animal products bad etc)

It's clear "they" don't want us to eat protein, the rest of the things about seed oil and such seem much more like typical capitalism cutting corners, maximising profits etc. Protein is the big thing.

Get AT LEAST 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight you have, then the rest of your macros aren't really important just have a calorie limit. If you're bulking and finding it hard to get calories drink milk and eat peanut butter. If you're cutting avoid any calories in drinks, and eat as much high protein low calorie food (lean red meat cuts, chicken and fish and stuff are fine but not as good as red meats) as possible.

If you become hyper-fixated on protein-maximalism you will get way better results than anything else and you'll end up automatically fixing most of the other problems anyway. Also your thing about not exercising is so-so. I agree with the idea of short walks, post-meal walks 10-15 minutes each meal are ideal. But everyone should exercise, not because it burns calories but because it makes you fitter and healthier. If you're not training in either strength, combat or movement (climbing, gymnastics etc) then you should be. If you get hungrier from exercising just eat some lean protein, you'll be fine. There have been studies where people eat extra lean protein and those calories seemingly magically disappear (towards your point about calories in and out not always being true, protein is basically like fucking magic)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the demonisation of protein sources as being evil (keto bad,

Keto isn't a high protein diet. Most diets (except for maybe raw vegan) are higher in protein than keto is.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How so? If your diet is just protein and fat it'll by default have more protein than the average diet, unless for some reason you just chose to load up on a bunch of fat for no reason. If that's what's officially prescribed by some popular keto thing then that's retarded imo, just do keto without that retard shit and load up protein instead. You'll still be in ketosis.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The original keto diet (for epilepsy) was more fats than carbs and retarded fatties eat that shit up for some reason.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"Fructose is a naturally occurring sugar found in fruits. Through our entire history we only got these one time a year and they were bound up in fiber and water."

Humans didn't actually evolve in north west Europe, you know.

In the tropics fruits are available throughout the year.

Even in colder climates you fruit get various fruit ripening across 2 seasons at least.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Who is this abstract human that you're referring to?

Europeans have been in Europe long enough to adapt to that geography. Is this something you dispute?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Out of Africa theory isn't real. Europeans would've probably had access to sugar in the winter through alcohol and preserved fruits though. There's so much of traditional diets that are centered around prolonging foods between seasons. Actually that's a pretty good hypothesis for why alcohol was so important to Europeans, though I'm sure someone else has thought of this before me.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've been on Keto for 5 months and I've never felt better. It's a great, sustainable diet. Just make sure you drink plenty of water and supplement with electrolytes.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's good but you hit a wall in terms of metabolism and performance after a while.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Seedoils

Olive oil is ancient, capo's post implied cooking with seed oil is a new thing. Oils are a giant rabbit hole. There are scholarly articles supporting just about every contrary position. So how could anyone do anything more than guess, and picking one that sounds good? Objectively there is very little everyone agrees on. Trans fats are bad, and rancid oil is bad. Poor omega 3:6 ratios can cause inflammation.

A word on rancid oil, most people don't know how to tell when their oil goes rancid, so that's why they are using rancid oil. It has a very distinctive smell, like crayons. If your oil smells like crayons it's rancid. I don't buy huge jugs of oil, I buy small bottles, and if you don't use them in a timely manner you have to toss them.

And then I'd just go with whatever tastes good (using peanut oil now, yum), and skip out on consuming too many fried foods, cause people generally get all the fat they need in their diet without adding any. If beef tallow was so goddamned healthy then the old McDonald's fries would have been health food, but they obviously weren't.

I think the best thing to do, since the science is conflicting, is to look at Blue Zones, areas where people live the longest, and try to do what they do. Assuming their longevity isn't simply genetics.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Olive oil isn't usually grouped with seed oils because of its fatty acid composition. Peanut oil on the other hand is considered among them, it's not as bad soybean but I'd avoid it honestly.

Blue zones

Those studies are misleading, the French are as long lived as those and their diet is full of meat and butter.

[–]grassfed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

CICO is true but individualistic. Everyone probably has some friend that can devour pizza without consequence and someone who is the opposite.

The important point is finding what your unique CICO rate is and then going from there. So strictly adhering to CICO ignores an individuals biology, but it is probably the simplest starting point for a person to begin their journey from.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Do a thought experiment with me if you don't mind. You're going to a large family gathering tomorrow. There's going to be some great food there. You really really want to be ravenously hungry when you arrive. What do you do?

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You'd probably skip some meals.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Correct. You'd probably skip some meals, eat less and maybe walk or exercise a bit. This is the standard advice we give people to lose weight. Don't you find it odd the advice for preparing to eat a big meal mirrors 'standard' weight loss advice? This sets people up for failure and it's a big reason the populace, despite asking doctors and 'certified nutritionists' for help for decades, is still obese. There was a military experiment where they tried to restrict calories of soldiers. It was chaos. People abandoned the experiment, some went insane, others became obsessed with food. Calorie restriction and calorie counting are not conducive to weight loss as all. Furthermore, they aren't a good start or a good way to describe how humans gain or lose weight.

The opening of this video profiles the study

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The opening of this video profiles the study

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0 YouT

Super interesting video. Makes a lot of sense based on the biochemistry detailed.

Too bad that 1 year of fasting isn't more common in bariatrics.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting, I'll watch the video in a bit.

Re: individualization

I think the take home point is that people need to figure out their nutrient rate based on what their activity is. You can only burn so much fat or build so much muscle, so you need to ensure that your nutrient rate is conducive to whichever goal(s) you have.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think the take home point is that people need to figure out their nutrient rate based on what their activity is.

This is true but only in an indirect way. Mostly people need to retrain their bodies how to utilize stored fat when they're not eating. This will naturally make them eat less calories but also improve other metabolic pathways in the body. It's less about the quantity of food we are eating and more that we eat too frequently and we eat too many foods that act more like addictive drugs then nutrition. Some foods straight up damage our metabolic pathways and until we get that fixed we can't lose weight. The chemical signaling in our body is very powerful and often overides the simple input of 'less calories' or 'more activity'.

You can only burn so much fat or build so much muscle, so you need to ensure that your nutrient rate is conducive to whichever goal(s) you have.

Individuality is certainly important. Lots of generalize diet advice, even the more modern stuff, is totally going to need changed if you are very sedentary, very active or you have certain genetic markers. Even race matters here but our food 'scientists' would never openly come out and say that. It conflicts too much with the old liberal values that we are all the same under the skin.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. People need to train in a way that increases mitochondrial density.

Individuality is certainly important. Lots of generalize diet advice, even the more modern stuff, is totally going to need changed if you are very sedentary, very active or you have certain genetic markers. Even race matters here but our food 'scientists' would never openly come out and say that. It conflict too much with the old liberal values that we are all the same under the skin.

Absolutely. Genetics (race) lays the foundation for our biological make-up, whether certain people want to admit that or not. It's really strange how so many seemingly intelligent people omit that from their understanding of a topic. It really feels like a global gaslighting is going on (like that car swerve meme) except we're being taking on a very long detour to a place we needn't be going.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

mitochondrial density.

Correct but explaining mitochondrial decoupling to average people is difficult.

[–]lolikon69 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I've been thinking about it aswell how disgusting seed oil, wheat flour and sugar pastries are and dont consider that garbage food. Same with french fries, you are burning the potato in hot seed oil which makes it even more poisonous then adding a tons of salt which is like eating little rocks

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

French fries used to be made with tallow which was probably better for you. Sodium chloride is a pretty essential electrolyte that gets maligned too much in modern medicine. People definitely eat too much sugar these days considering how sedentary their lives are though.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sodium chloride is a pretty essential electrolyte that gets maligned too much in modern medicine.

Strongly agree. In fact upping sodium intake is the next new health trend (a trend I support).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azb3Ih68awQ

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For once I'm ahead of the game on an esoteric health trend