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[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If Le Penn wins, and that's a big if, I hope she doesn't turn into Trump 2.0. Unfortunately she isn't as radical as she used to be. So I have low expectations.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and that's a big if

Not really.

Unfortunately she isn't as radical as she used to be.

That's mostly PR.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She literally expelled her own father from the party he created over holohoax denial. It's not even the holocaust part that's important but rather that she betrayed her own father for personal gain. Who else will she betray?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the same person who kicked her own father out of the party he created for holohoax bs so idk that she was ever radical. On the other hand it would be a blow to ZOG if she won nonetheless given her stance on NATO

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

6 point in a 1v1 election it's not a little gap to close. It seems to me that there's little room for any kind of leadership change in France in the near future.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Less than 4 points to get to more than 50%, and she was at 42% a few weeks ago. She definitely has a much better shot at winning this time.

By the way, the margin of error should also be considered.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Margin of error should definetly be considered, but usually they don't miss the target so much. Anyway, let's see what happens and hope the best.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They did twice in the last two elections.

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    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Excellent.

    [–]Three_Rainbow_Dildossocks alts: boobiebrother, crustybutt, dingoatemytaco, schizoid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    A few weeks ago I asked you about Zemmour's election chances. At that time, you were confident that the polls were wrong and that Zemmour would also increase his popularity in last few weeks before the election. By contrast, my opinion was that Macron would easily be re-elected, albeit by less of a margin, much closer to 55-45 than the previous 66-33 result.

    I take it that you've backed away from that position? The last three polls showing that the difference between the Maricón and Le Pen is only 53-47 indeed represent the best chance we have for ridding France of the Maricón and the LREM and moving things in a marginally better direction. They can think about getting someone better than Le Pen after these fools are gone.

    If Le Pen wins the election, then in a sense it is Zemmour who has indeed been responsible. You provide one reason: the scumfuck, flagrantly partisan mass media have spent so much time and energy inciting the idiot masses to hate Zemmour, which means that they have less time and energy to also incite them to hate Le Pen.

    Another reason is also quite obvious: Zemmour's being more Right-wing helps to normalize Le Pen. Le Pen simply can't be painted as Far-Right if Zemmour also is, because Zemmour is more militant and provocative than Le Pen. With Zemmour reducing France's Overton Window's extreme-Left bias, the masses can better see that Le Pen and the RN are essentially harmless Centre-Right conservatives whose politics are far closer to those of Chirac than those of the Vichy.

    I think a third factor might be present, and that's simply the longevity of the RN. They've been around for decades and haven't harmed, deported or killed anyone. At some point, some of the paranoiac masses must come to realize that the usual narrative makes no sense whatsoever. They simply aren't Far-Right outside of strongly Left-biased minds.

    It's like how so many of these paranoid American Left-liberal morons still think that Trump will exterminate or mass deport some group or start a nuclear and/or world war if he is re-elected in 2024. That narrative obviously makes far less sense between 2024-2028 than in 2016-2020 simply because he did not even remotely approach doing any of these things in that time period. At some point, any thinking voter has to ask just why it takes him to be elected a second time to do the things that he was supposed to have done the first time around.

    I think that is one reason why Trump increased his Hispanic vote in 2020: the fearmongering about 'Don't vote Trump, he will deport all Hispanics' simply made far less sense than in 2016. Now think what happens if the Trump family had been running in elections for decades? How convincing would the Democrats sound if they said: 'Sure, they haven't mass deported Hispanics over these past few decades like we said they would... but... we're still correct, if we elect them just this one more time... just trust us, they really will'.

    At some point, people just have to accept that Le Pen and the RN are, like Trump, really quite moderate and actually have no intentions whatsoever to mass murder or mass deport anyone.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I take it that you've backed away from that position?

    Not entirely. I still think the polls could be wrong.