'Butcher of Mariupol' should face war crimes trial for ordering bombing that killed 300 in theatre which had 'children' painted outside, attack survivors say

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[–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Russia is definitely not the good guy and I wonder why so many believe so. Russia wanted to have control over Ukraine, so that events like Holodomor wouldn't be mentioned and national heros wouldn't be celebrated. Somehow people got fed up with it and USA pretended to be their ally and then abandoned them.

It's not like it's the first time USA treats an ally in such a way. After the Greek Civil War, Greek politicians insisted that we should blindly trust the American policy. Then 1955[*] came and after the massive attrocities that happened (and were part of the Gladio operations), USA said that Greece should ignore them because that would cause trouble within NATO.

[*]https://greekcitytimes.com/2019/09/07/september6-7-1955-turkeys-kristallnacht/

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/09/06/on-this-day-in-1955-the-constantinople-riots-begin/

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It's not like it's the first time USA treats an ally in such a way.

Other than South Korea, I actually cannot think of a single US "ally" that the US did not abandon or screw over in the past century. Even in the case of South Korea, if another poster here is to be believed, the Americans transformed the country into a prostitution state. If I recall correctly, in the immediate aftermath of the Korean war, up to 30% of the South Korean GDP was revenue from the prostitution industry servicing American troops.

[–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They were just spreading freedom and democracy bro

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2021/05/356_277394.html

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I knew about the Three S policy in Japan, but did not realise there was a similar development in Korea. Interesting. It seems that in the minds of the great democratic crusaders, cynicism and democracy necessarily go together.

[–]shilldetector 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Russia wanted to have control over Ukraine, so that events like Holodomor wouldn't be mentioned and national heros wouldn't be celebrated.

I have yet to hear the mainstream media utter the word holodomor during all this Ukraine business, despite it being something that could be used to further demonize the Russians. Ask yourself why you havent heard it mentioned at ALL. It is basically a banned word in the US media that no one dare utter.

It's because no atrocity must ever compete with "the holocaust" for attention, and because the Holodomor had Jewish fingerprints all over it. In fact the last Jewish leader of Ukraine before Zelensky was Kaganovitch, the governer of Ukraine who presided over the Holodomor and was probably one of the top 3 people responsible for it, and who never faced any accountability.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It might be a bit awkward

Oleksandr Semenovych Zelensky was born in Kryvyi Rih, Soviet Ukraine, on 23 December 1947. He is of Jewish origin. His father, Semyon (Simon) Ivanovych Zelensky, served in the Red Army's 57th Guards Motor Rifle Division. He is married to Rymma Zelenska, and is the father of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky (born 1978).

Zelensky is a descendent of the perpetrators of the Holodomor.

[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was just thinking of something recently. In 1933 Ukraine had a fairly large Jewish population, yet you never hear any Jews talk about relatives that died in the Holodomor. This from a group that will talk about a supposed pogrom 500 years ago like it was yesterday.

Does this mean virtually no Jews died in the Holodomor, or do they just refuse to talk about those deaths because of their role in it? Either way it's pretty damning.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah probably none of them died, doesn't stop them with the Holocaust though. Lmao!