Gulf states, India, Central Asia and China veer towards Russia during this crisis

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I agree that the American Empire is crumbling (the Afghan defeat was the first signal), but I don't have much confidence in Russia either.

If the numbers are to be believed, they've already taken almost 3,000 casualties in conquering Ukraine. A country that has an Africa-tier economy.

Meanwhile, the U.S only took 196 casualties in 2 months for the opening invasion of Iraq. History is showing that the Russians kind of suck at warfare, and their only strength is being able to zerg rush an enemy with constant reinforcements.

They can probably take on Poland, Finland & Sweden if they want, but once they come across more experienced armies, then Putin will have to start backing down.

[–]raven9 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

If the numbers are to be believed, they've already taken almost 3,000 casualties in conquering Ukraine. A country that has an Africa-tier economy.

The Ukranian economy is largely irrelevent to their initial ability to fight back when NATO has been pouring billions of dollars worth of military hardware and hundreds of thousands of military personel into that country.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So why wasn't Assad toppled? I'm pretty sure the U.S has been supplying the Syrian rebels the entire time, and yet even Hezbollah has been able to destroy them in every match up.

And the same was true with Afghanistan vs Taliban. Once the U.S retreated, the Afghan Army didn't even bother to fight back.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You’re comparing numerous rebel factions from a wartorn, tribal Arab society to Ukraine… They may be poor by European standards but they’re still a functioning, centralised state. They’ve also been preparing for this exact scenario for years.

It was never gonna be a walk In the park for Russia, though I’d be skeptical of any casualty numbers this early on.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They're suppose to be up against a country that's both physically and literally 1/3rd of their size. Why would the rest of the world be terrified if they're being bogged down this early, before the threat of nukes?

But like I said in another post, I think Putin's an idiot for waging a war with confusing objectives. And it's not like these types of blunders go unnoticed.

The Soviets invaded Finland the first time, and yet even with a larger invasion force, Stalin's personal meddling caused more Soviet casualties for only limited gains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No offense but none of that is relevant to my post. I was specifically explaining why pouring billions into dozens of nebulous Arab rebel groups is different to pouring the same amount of money into Ukraine, a functioning European nation.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used the rebels against the main argument that just dropping expensive military hardware into enemy hands isn't enough to win wars.

As for comparing it to a state level, again, I believe some form of competency is needed.

So far, I've seen videos of Russian soldiers who are already captured or deserted from their positions. What exactly is the morale of these people? Some interviews even reveal they had no idea they were actually meant to partake in an invasion.

For the Ukrainian defenders, they know their lives are on the line and that motivates them to try and fight back.