Compilation of Holocaust Denial Arguments and how self-victimization strategy works.

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Hi there. A lot of people have asked me for a compilation so I wanted to share it with everyone. The Holocaust narrative has been exploited by a lot of powerful people to hide many of the other crimes in the war, as well as a political tool to push certain agendas, a lot of them attacking white people so there is no reason why it shouldn’t be questioned. So either way here we go:

  1. The Haavara Agreement, the plan from the National Socialists and Zionist Jews to send the Jews to Palestine. There were several other attempts by the National Socialists to deport the Jews from Germany over time, but nobody wanted the Jews in their countries.

  2. The Germans used the terms "Extermination", "Final Solution/Endlösung" very often when it came to dealing with the Jews, but they always talked about deportation plans.

  3. According to the World Almanac The Jewish population before, during and after the war barely changed and even increased at first.

  4. Despite cracking The Enigma Code, the British forces found no record of killings by gassing, the supposed main method use for the genocide.

  5. Fred A. Leuchter, expert in execution hardware said in his report that the alleged killing rooms could not have been used as homicidal gas chambers.

  6. Elie Wiesel, probably the most famous “Holocaust Survivor” makes no mention of gas chambers in his book “Night.”

  7. The International Red Cross report of 1948 found no indication of an extermination plan, despite the claim that it supposedly said the Germans cunningly hided that some facilities were gas chambers.

  8. The testimonies from "Holocaust survivors" that tell the truth about the conditions of the camps. The Jews had access to swimming pools for exercise, theathers, whore houses and participated in soccer games.

  9. The true maximum cremation capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau is far lower than what we are always told.

  10. Himmler's order on Dec. 28, 1942 to reduce the death rate in the camps as a priority.

  11. The SS report of 1943 about the decline of the mortality rate to the Reichsführer.

  12. The British foreign secretary statement about not being willing to take the Jews in their country in 1943.

  13. Himmler's deportation proposal of 1944 in exchange for goods.

  14. Elie Wiesel claimed in his book “Night” that he chose to purposely stay with the Germans when the Soviets came and that he was having a sore leg treated in the hospital at the camp, which wouldn’t make any sense considering it was at the very end of the war when the mass killings supposedly reached their peak.

  15. George S. Patton claimed that the Germans were the only decent people left in Europe and all the Allies really managed to do was give room for the Soviets to take over everything, saying that the US had fought the wrong enemy.

  16. The Allied autopsies confirm that disease was the main cause of death.

  17. The Holocaust and the 6 million figure showing up in different places before WWII. Six million Jews supposedly died in WWI as well, but probably because of the absurdity of the claims, the stories were eventually dropped but the figure of the 6 million Jews being in terrible danger can be seen in different places before ending up in Germany again. It can also be related to a passage from the Tohra, which can be interpreted as “six” of them having to go missing in order for them to be purged from their sins, so they can go back to Israel.

David Cole on Holocaust Revisionism (2018)

I hope this was informative. When it comes to the methodology to use these facts, well, my own belief is that the true kill count (of civilians, I’m not counting commie Jews or Jewish spies that I know that the National Socialists did killed off) can be anywhere from 0 to 10,000. If It’s in the 0 to 1,000 range, then It’s a victory for “Hardcore Denialism”, if It’s in the 1,000 to 10,000 range, then It’s a victory for “Soft Denialism.” The Jews themselves will struggle with all their might to convince people (and themselves) of being the greatest victim group in the world, but if the Germans and radical revisionists are smart enough, I’m sure they can be forced into submission.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The Germans used the terms "Extermination", "Final Solution/Endlösung" very often when it came to dealing with the Jews, but they always talked about deportation plans.

Extermination? Wasn't it 'liquidation'?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Pretty sure they said "exterminate" couple of times. Goebbels in his diaries most famously. Still, it's always stripped of context and comes with a footnote lol

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The translation is kind of subjective, my point is that despite the terminology you can trace a group of deportation attempts.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, also exterminate is the term they used but it meant like get rid of not murder them all

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never focused too much on the real number. Stalin & Mao killed far more people and yet how often does the media talk about them or build victims of Communism museums?

In comparison, Hitler still looks like a saint, even if he built 6 million rollercoasters. The only reason he gets targeted is because he dared to talk about race & nationalism.

The Communists built their own death camps but since they weren't racist, they somehow get a pass.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry but Holocaust denial is a non-starter for vast majority of people. I do think the numbers are embellished, but it is clear the Nazis sent people to camps to die.

The worst part about it is you do not need to engage in Holocaust revisionism to point out Soviets killed a lot more people before Hitler even came to power, that the Allies colluded with Stalin and ethnic cleaning of Germans east of the Oder-Nesse line, allied hypocrisy concerning bombing raids which deliberately targeted civilian populations, etc. This combined with the manner in which organized Jewry has used the Holocaust for profit would be sufficient to take the teeth out the racket if people had balls.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If It’s in the 0 to 1,000 range, then It’s a victory for “Hardcore Denialism”, if It’s in the 1,000 to 10,000 range, then It’s a victory for “Soft Denialism.”

These are bullshit numbers that you pulled out of your ass. They ruin your whole post. Please remove this part.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hey those are just estimates. I'm still open minded about the idea of being proven wrong.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The term 'kill count' is problematic, but the minimum estimate that should ever be used is the Red Cross number, 146k or 147k. The high estimate is about 1.2 million. There's no need for you to pioneer numbers and discredit yourself. Unless of course you are a bad faith actor.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm referring to the total number of direct kills of civilians from the Germans. To me the deaths by starvation are irrelevant because the crisis was caused by the Allies.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You muddy waters that don't need to be muddied. Bad faith.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He doesn't appear to be here in bad faith at all. The red cross numbers could be bullshit as well.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

With this I wanted to show you guys that I'm convinced that the ridiculous conditions of the camps with whore houses and theaters was actually manteined all the way until at least 1944, maybe even until the very end when the Allies bombed the supply lines, since Elie Weisel chose to remain with the Germans. There really is no reason to believe in even the revisionist narratives at all, what people should follow is the forensic evidence, and it actually supports the denialist position.

The mainstream revisionist position is of 200K dead, I based my own estimate of max 10K direct kills as a way to pressure the Jews into allowing more research to be done. Basically my position is somewhere between the classic denier and the open minded revisionist.

Either way, It's just a pragmatic estimate. I'm open minded about being proven wrong.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ultimately I dont see the point in rehashing this unless you have some smoking gun evidence one way or another. The bottom line is between 70-80 million people died in WW2, a huge number of them civilians, including large numbers of German and Japanese civilians intentionally killed in some of the most horrific ways imaginable by the "good guys". Women and children literally cooked alive in Dresden and dying agonizing deaths from radiation sickness in Hiroshima. So what Jewish ethnic activists have termed "THE holocaust" is basically just one of many holocausts that occured in ww2 carried out by all sides.

Sure you can find some aspects of what the Nazis did to Jews that were unique, but you could also do the same thing for many of these other atrocities carried out during the war. The reality is that even if you believe the number was 6 million, a number that is almost certainly exaggerated, that still only represents around 7% of the total deaths from the war. So to focus almost exclusively on those deaths while largely ignoring all the others shows a callousness and ethnic narcissism that should be embarrasing, if they had any capacity for shame.

Not to mention a holocaust of Ukrainians had been perpetrated not even a decade prior, with heavy Jewish involvement (Kaganovich and Yagoda to name the two most responsible), and I honestly had never even heard of the holodomor up until a few years ago because it's been ignored, if not outright covered up, by some of the very same people who obsess over "THE holocaust".

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ultimately I dont see the point in rehashing this unless you have some smoking gun evidence one way or another.

It's 'rehashed' every time jews build a holocaust memorial. Beat me over the head with fake numbers once shame on me.

So what Jewish ethnic activists have termed "THE holocaust" is basically just one of many holocausts that occured in ww2 carried out by all sides.

No it's not. The 'holocaust' is a trade marked term that has been systematically pushed on the world and it incorporates a specific set of false realities (gas chambers, torture, '6 million', etc). Excepting that the 'holocaust' is real and on the same level as other atrocities is a fabrication.

The holocaust should constantly be rehashed. Until every normie is aware that it was a marketing creation we should not rest and even then it should be taught in schools as a cautionary tale of how Jews weaponize victimhood to push cultural destruction.