Whats the best way to handle childhood education on a national level? Public/private school? Better homeschooling resources?

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[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I am always stumped when I see people advocate for subsistence farming. It is like a completely depoliticised version of the anarcho-primitivist platform. Very strange.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I don't mean mud roof subsistence farming. I mean growing and raising your food and not needing to wage slave. Subsistence farming in 2022 can take on quite a few forms. A big reason whites have been subverted into perverse political and cultural ideologies is because if they don't comply they literally starve and get the power and water shut off. When you have a productive homestead and can literally step away from society for a length of time then it affects your political views and changes how you negotiate with employers and governments. It also significantly impacts the political, religious and social views of women and children when they have a strong provider male figure who is not enslaved to a company or a government.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

To me, this really just sounds like a particularly strange form of pursuing wealth. Any form of wealth would be able to provide this same type of independence. You are also exaggerating with regard to shutting off power and water. I have not heard of something like that occurring before, and moreover I imagine it would be a much bigger problem to have that happen at a farm than an appartment.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you're wealthy in London or NY you're a cog in a larger cycle that feeds the System, and at any point if you stray too much you can be kicked off. If you have a domain that you and people like you control, there is more freedom for you to exist as you please. Obviously if there's a military operation against your community you're fucked but isn't temporary freedom better than permanent servitude?

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you're wealthy in London or NY you're a cog in a larger cycle that feeds the System, and at any point if you stray too much you can be kicked off.

I don't think that's necessarily the truth. This probably applies to the managerial class, like CEOs etc, but doesn't necessarily apply to people who own capital and property sufficient to their needs, or are self-employed skilled professionals who can make profit independent of corporations.

As to the idea of rural living, the issue with it is that it really constitutes a type of surrender and a retreat. It's just like the issue of universities - instead of contesting these institutions or creating new ones, the proposed solution is a depoliticised withdrawal. I don't think that will change anything. Power is concentrated in the urban centres for a reason. Giving up on them completely is not a political strategy. If you take a look at South Africa, what the Boers have done with Orania is far more impressive and ambitious. The Boer farmers are suffering tremendously, yet Orania is doing well.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What's stopping you from both owning capital and property and also owning rural land that can actually sustaining you? It's not one or the other per se. You can absolutely grow wealth through the System and reinvest that into growing a community that's independent.

Power may be concentrated in the urban centers, but it's usually toppled by the hinterlands, this has been shown time and time again. War of the Flea is an excellent book on that. Having a self sustaining parallel domain in the rural areas means that the System can't stamp you out, and over time the cities will decay while you grow. This has happened time and time again, in recent years China, Vietnam, and just recently Afghanistan have all demonstrated this.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you've got so much wealth that you can buy farms at your leisure, then you'll probably be fine no matter what, if you ask me. But assuming that you have limited resources, trying to become a farmer is not necessarily the best investment, and it is certainly not something everyone can do.

Power may be concentrated in the urban centers, but it's usually toppled by the hinterlands, this has been shown time and time again.

I am actually not aware of any examples of this happening, though I am sure there may be some of them. In my opinion, the historical norm is competition between imperial cities. Warrior nomads can occasionally conquer these imperial cities, but they also immediately make them the seat of their power, so the urban-rural dynamic remains the same.

Having a self sustaining parallel domain in the rural areas means that the System can't stamp you out, and over time the cities will decay while you grow.

I think in America both the cities and the countryside are decaying rapidly, but the countryside is definitely still subject to the rule of the cities, even as they decay. You may have heard, for example, that the US government (and other Western governments, too) often resettle large groups of refugees or illegal immigrants in rural areas and towns. Liberal governments today have completely political authority over any part of the country. I do not think the countryside enjoys any special advantages over the urban centres.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you've got so much wealth that you can buy farms at your leisure, then you'll probably be fine no matter what, if you ask me.

Rural land is cheap as hell in America and you can get a 0 down mortgage for a rural house if you're lower income. I don't know that I would be recommending the same thing outside of the American context tbh.

I am actually not aware of any examples of this happening, though I am sure there may be some of them. In my opinion, the historical norm is competition between imperial cities. Warrior nomads can occasionally conquer these imperial cities, but they also immediately make them the seat of their power, so the urban-rural dynamic remains the same.

Revolutionary movements usually swell up from the hinterlands, it's there that men can hide for a long period of time away from authorities and sustain themselves among the peasants while attacking the cities from the outside. In the modern context this would happen by attacking power, water, and road infrastructure. Destroying a few critical junctions could cripple the most important cities for months. The recent truck blockade in Canada is the baby version of these tactics.

Historical examples could go all the way back to the Germanic tribes or the Scythians, but for the modern context the Maoists, Vietcong, and Taliban are the most relevant.

War of the Flea is something everyone here should read.

I do not think the countryside enjoys any special advantages over the urban centres.

They have the advantage of space, distance, and self-sustenance. Independence from the supply chain of the enemy.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

if there's a military operation against your community you're fucked

The US military has done countless war game simulations against an armed domestic insurrection. They always lose. The US military would be out numbered. Blocked from recruits. Blockaded from resupply. Surrounded and outgunned. Most of the strengths of the US military, such as: nuclear, air superiority, tanks, subs, navey etc. are worthless against millions of angry armed freedom fighters.

you're fucked but isn't temporary freedom better than permanent servitude?

We're not fucked at all but either way I agree.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant a raid on a single community not a nationwide insurrection. The US would have no chance if someone had even 100 dependable men and a knowledge of vital infrastructure (it's hilarious how easy shit is to find on that I'm surprised no one has tried anything).

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Many homesteading and small farm operations acquire their water through means not easily shut off by a corporate entity.

You are also exaggerating with regard to shutting off power and water.

Are you not following the totalitarian measures being implemented to coerce the unvaccinated? How is shutting water and power off a big stretch when we already see normie conservatives losing bank accounts for wrong think? It's also important to keep in mind that simply cutting you off socially and blocking you from gainful employment is effectively a water, power and food shut off anyway. Can't work can't pay bills.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you not following the totalitarian measures being implemented to coerce the unvaccinated?

No, I am not. There are no issues with this where I live. Perhaps it is a problem elsewhere.

we already see normie conservatives losing bank accounts for wrong think?

Do you know of any cases like this? I know that this happened to Mark and Laura, who lead a nationalist party in Britain, but they are not normie conservatives at all.

It's also important to keep in mind that simply cutting you off socially and blocking you from gainful employment is effectively a water, power and food shut off anyway. Can't work can't pay bills.

Yes, that is a problem, but there are other types of work besides farming that do not depend on working at a megacorp.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you know of any cases like this?

These are the first four hits on a yandex search

https://centermatter.com/wp/2021/06/16/wells-fargo-closes-lauren-witzkes-bank-account-for-political-views/

https://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/chase-bank-closes-accounts-of-those-with-conservative-views-a-portend-of-666/

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sssbqn/trudeau_vows_to_freeze_antimandate_protesters/

https://blockonomi.com/chase-bank-accused-de-banking-accounts-political-views/

There's also the recent gofundme confiscation of Trucker Protest monies (those were eventually refunded but only because of all the publicity). And I wasn't arguing that it's happening on a large scale just that there is precedent and it's an obvious vector of attack the the Jewish bank cartel will use against dissidents more and more.

there are other types of work besides farming that do not depend on working at a megacorp.

I'm not advocating we all start farming. There are lots of potential alternatives markets that dissidents could get into to decouple themselves from large corporate and government control. Food is just a critical part of that decoupling and the farming community provides a unique oppurtunity for lots of other opportunities (religious worship, health/fitness, friendships, courtship, extended families, engineering, building, connection with nature. etc.)

Nick Fuentes and Laura Loomer also had trouble with account shenanigans.

[–]la_cues[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://smallfarmfuture.org.uk/