Changed my mind on Ottawa convoy

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[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Its funny, almost every post in this sub is about race, maybe debatealtwhite would be a better name.

Making the convoy about race is the same thing the leftist MSM is doing, thats exactly what they want

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    [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    Im aware of this Mastermustard, and I don't begrudge you folks your viewpoint on that. I think the point I was getting at is that you guys can seem like a one issue tent.

    The freedom convoy is about vaccines and bodily autonomy, I really don't understand how this is a racial issue. When I see this from you guys, it reminds me of the woke liberals who similarly insist every issue under the sun, including a freedom convoy, are primarily about race.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Spoiler Alert: Everything IS about race. It is the most important and relevant topic in all of human history. Hence why wars and economic policies have been decided just by skin color alone...

    And yes, I don't fault the Woke Liberals for mentioning race at every second. Where I disagree with them, is when they deliberately demonize White people only, but not other groups (i.e have you ever seen Liberals demand Black Africans pay reparations for slavery despite playing the biggest role in it?)

    [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Don't disagree that race has historically been a major issue. I'm not sure everything is about race though. You haven't really elaborated on what supposedly makes this particular issue of the freedom convoy primarily about race. Every single one of the demands has to do with covid policies, as a neutral observer, I don't get it and you guys sound strangely obsessed. I might be dead wrong, but nobody is providing me with any context or rationalization to show me how this issue is centered on race.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Well for starters, 90% of the crowds protesting in Ottawa are White. The people who organized the protest, are all White Men or Women.

    We call this pattern recognition, and seeing these group behaviors will follow us throughout life and help influence many decisions.

    For example, take sports. Is it not a fact that Basketball & Football are mostly Black players? There will always be the odd exception like Tom Brady or Jeremy Lin, but anyone who watches those games knows that it's Blacks who control all the spotlight.

    We Humans are biological creatures, and just like every animal on Earth, it's our instinct to group everything by tribalism.

    I remember a fun fact in school, that Bees are able to tell each other part, but do you think the average Human has the ability to do the same thing? We just see them all as "Bees" and assume their lifestyle is because they were born that way.

    [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    The people who organized the protest, are all White Men or Women.

    Except for the Jewish guy and the Metis guy heading the group of truckers.....

    Well for starters, 90% of the crowds protesting in Ottawa are White.

    This doesn't make the issues at the center of the protest about race

    We call this pattern recognition, and seeing these group behaviors will follow us throughout life and help influence many decisions.

    For example, take sports. Is it not a fact that Basketball & Football are mostly Black players? There will always be the odd exception like Tom >Brady or Jeremy Lin, but anyone who watches those games knows that it's Blacks who control all the spotlight.

    Not relevant. How does the issue of the freedom convoy have to do with race, and how does changing the covid restrictions have anything to do with this?

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Except for the Jewish guy and the Metis guy heading the group of truckers.....

    Can you point me to these people? I'm not saying they aren't included, but here are the people leading the negociation talks with the government.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmlQPRuu7kM

    They all look White.

    This doesn't make the issues at the center of the protest about race

    The people protesting don't. But the government, media and any outside observers will. Because that's literally the first thing they see. And that's exactly what they are using as a bludgeon against their campaign. The media notices it's mostly White people, so they convince other non-whites to be against it.

    Not relevant. How does the issue of the freedom convoy have to do with race, and how does changing the covid restrictions have anything to do with this?

    The government has clearly labeled the protest as a White Supremacist Coup, despite the protestors denying that. The truth is, just being opposed to restrictions is not enough to actually win. Especially in a racially mixed country like Canada, where politicians pander to different ethnic groups to maintain support. If the politicians can get away with calling them Nazis, and there is nobody to vote them out, guess who is going to lose? The protestors, once they run out of money, or the riot police decide to arrest them.

    [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Ok, I think I understand what you are saying now, but correct me if I am wrong.

    You are saying that while the protests were not about race at the to begin with, it has nevertheless been turned into a very highly racially charged issue due to the strategic needs of the protesters and the polsters/media alike. If that is your point, then I think this is the explanation I was looking for. I can at least understand why some of you hold this view, thanks for being patient with me.

    If you are still curious, the people I was referring to are Benjamin Dichter (Jewish) and Tamara Lich (Metis). They appear to be involved in at least some significant fashion.

    https://brownstone.org/articles/trudeau-is-playing-with-fire/

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    For the record, I don't actually believe they're White supremacists. And I've seen several on the ground videos with Blacks and other Indians join the rally and protest the restrictions.

    But just like statistics, they are exceptions to the norm. I'm willing to bet for every Jewish or Black protestor you find on video, I can name 10x as many Whites participating. And there's nothing wrong with this. This is just demographics.

    For Trudeau and the media though, they will keep throwing around the "white supremacist" label because it directly affects how they got voted in. They're happy to sacrifice or alienate any White voters, if it still means they get 90% or more non-whites voting for them. Hence why if you look at a map of how Canada voted last election, any region that was majority non-white automatically went to the Liberal Party. And guess where these major regions are also located? In cities like Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal, who receive the most immigrants every year.

    Now do you see where I'm going with this? Politics is a game of chess and both sides will do anything to checkmate the other using any tactic. The protestors are using trucks and loud horns, whereas the government is using race and the media to win.

    [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That's a ridiculous question. That's like if I asked a Senator why they don't put term limits on themselves.

    They will demonize anyone who isn't the the most pitiable. In one sense you can say that they treat blacks worse than the boogeyman racist because at least the right holds blacks accountable for their actions. Blacks to them are a resource for them that must be satiated and contained, yet also are a badge to make liberal non-blacks morally exalted over the "bad" people who speak out against their behavior.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Joe Biden could call all Black people a pack of Niggers, he's still going to get their votes over any Republican, because he still supports Black Identity Politics and giving them money transfers via welfare.

    It's a weird double standard but that only proves my point about why Race is so important. We further see proof of this with immigration. Black Americans actually suffer when illegal immigrants take away all their minimum wage jobs, yet did we see any Blacks help to build the Mexican Wall? Nope. They just laughed at Trump for 4 years and voted for more refugees instead...

    [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Why would they? Blacks are inherently anti-white. Immigration from the third world is seen as a problem for whites than for blacks.