Dissident right-sympathetic billionaires

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Neither IG Farben nor Krupp funded them to get them into power.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Neither IG Farben nor Krupp funded them to get them into power.

Keyword "into power". You formerly said "no major industrialists or finance capitalists supported the NSDAP".

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

WOW bro you mean to say that once the NSDAP were in power they could collect taxes and strong arm capitalists into giving them what they want or risk being nationalised? CRAZY!

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

No, I'm saying they were broke at this point, because whatever the NSDAP was doing up until 1932 wasn't very profitable. This is only a stronger argument that non-Capitalist movements always need to absorb or takeover someone elses wealth in order to survive.

Within context, it was obviously better for Germany to let the state have an increased budget to fix its social problems. But it's disingenuous to say private enterprises also had no hand in helping to bankroll this process. Just saying "well we're going to tax them" is not good enough. Every country has similar policies yet disparities still exist. Even in my country right now, I remember a major party promised they were going to tax the rich to fund their social programs. But what they didn't tell us is the same Socialist party also has massive debt issues as a result of spending their own money. Or if they got elected but the 1% decided to leave right away, then their promises of funding big projects would thus fail out of the gate, because they themselves are bankrupt.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

What? I don't think you understand what a political party is. They don't run the country until they're already in power. There's no difference between their economic system until they actually implement it dummy.

Within context, it was obviously better for Germany to let the state have an increased budget to fix its social problems. But it's disingenuous to say private enterprises also had no hand in helping to bankroll this process. Just saying "well we're going to tax them" is not good enough. Every country has similar policies yet disparities still exist. Even in my country right now, I remember a major party promised they were going to tax the rich to fund their social programs. But what they didn't tell us is the same Socialist party also has massive debt issues as a result of spending their own money. Or if they got elected but the 1% decided to leave right away, then their promises of funding big projects would thus fail out of the gate, because they themselves are bankrupt.

Completely irrelevant dogshit. The NSDAP was NOT funded by any big capital, I don't give a fuck about anything else that you're babbling about I simply corrected your false statement.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

What? I don't think you understand what a political party is. They don't run the country until they're already in power. There's no difference between their economic system until they actually implement it dummy.

And tell me what that system is, genius? They had to borrow/take donations that came from where to fund this? It was never originally the State that held this, it was private companies that supported them generously. But Hitler still needed their support, or else they could have just gone about their business and leave. Such is the story of other Socialist takeovers of any country.

Completely irrelevant dogshit. The NSDAP was NOT funded by any big capital, I don't give a fuck about anything else that you're babbling about I simply corrected your false statement.

If you have to resort to unnecessary swearing, then perhaps you're not taking your own argument seriously.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

And tell me what that system is, genius?

It's not relevant is what it is. You said the NSDAP was funded by people comparable to Ford, they weren't. That's it. Anything else you're talking about is completely irrelevant whataboutism I have zero interest in. You were wrong, get over it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It's not relevant is what it is. You said the NSDAP was funded by people comparable to Ford, they weren't.

My research at the time didn't originally lead me to the source that said NSDAP was bankrupt, leading to Nazi officials sending out telegrams from I quote "25 leading industrialists". My same sources also mentioned that IG Farben was already responsible for 66% of Germany's chemical industry profits as well as nation exports. I don't know the exact numbers (yet) to compare this to Ford, but I would argue this is getting close to Oligarch status. Gustav Krupp also makes a good candidate for a Ford stand in, since he was chairman of a company that was behind all of Germany's future tank production.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

And as mentioned, they didn't fund the NSDAP so it doesn't matter.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

By not fund, you mean accept their donations right? To prevent further cratering...

According to Robert Jackson, the former Supreme Court Justice and chief U.S. prosecutor at Nuremberg, “[T]he industrialists…became so enthusiastic that they set about to raise three million Reichsmarks [worth about $30 million today] to strengthen and confirm the Nazi Party in power.”

Gustav Krupp was the first executive to speak at the Berlin meeting, and pledged one million marks. As the United Nations summarized in a 1949 report, Krupp was a key financier for the Nazi Party, including through his corporation:

At the February meeting, the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history.

If you have a source that said Hitler turned down all offers, I'm all ears for it.