Dissident right-sympathetic billionaires

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Yeah ok

I have my own critiques of Capitalism, but I'm not going to pretend it's the worst thing ever when the alternative system (i.e Socialism) always comes in second place.

Instead of hating on Ford for trying to increase his wealth (since everyone in life wants to make money, and we can't survive without it either), be upset that modern day Conservatives continue to hoard their wealth without doing anything ambitious with it.

If anything, Liberals see through this strategy. Companies like Walmart or Microsoft get away with spreading their globohomo message because there are no right-wing challengers to outspend them on it.

Edit: The only way I see Socialism succeeding, is when Robots automate all labor, or we use eugenics to select for high IQ humans. Anything else, and the system always stagnates.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

You're missing my point. The leftist philanthropists and billionaires are also ambitious people. The same capitalistic drive in Henry Ford can be seen in people like Bill Gates or George Soros. The difference is that the latter actively engage in political efforts because they are ideologically committed. They would never invest in white communities or movements because they hate us. Ford, on the other hand, had his political positions but did absolutely nothing to protect or promote pro-white movements in the US and played both sides in the conflict to maximize his wealth at our expense. As Markimus said, he never funded the NSDAP or any other nationalist movements, even ones in the US, and caved pretty quickly when he was pressured on his newspaper. Just being woke on the JQ doesn't mean anything, and I'm willing to bet he wasn't aware of the severity of the problem in the first place.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Nobody said Capitalism couldn't be exploited by the Left. That said, it's still a better option to have since Socialists have no where the same amount of power as Billionaires do. And with that, they will always stay a grassroots movement without some form of revolution.

As Markimus said, he never funded the NSDAP or any other nationalist movements,

Ford was an American, and being true to his isolationist principles, it would be a bit contradictory to get involved with other nation's politics (let alone, drag the U.S into it). However, there where actual rich Germans in his place who donated to the NSDAP instead.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

However, there where actual rich Germans in his place who donated to the NSDAP instead.

Nope

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Yes.

https://www.news24.com/news24/hitlers-secret-fortune-20020808

"I came out of Landshut jail with nary a pfennig in my pocket," he famously said later, carefully cultivating the propaganda image of himself as a man born of the masses."Literally speaking, that's true. He probably didn't have a pfennig in his pocket as he walked out of prison," the documentary producer says. "But he had 45 000 reichsmarks in the bank promised to him by Elena Bruckmann, the wife of a prominent publisher. She was so enamoured of him that she gave him the money as a token of her esteem." Richard Wagner's daughter-in-law Winifred Wagner and piano heiress Helene Bechstein similarly showered Hitler with monetary favours.

https://www.historynet.com/the-women-who-loved-hitler.htm

On December 20, 1924, Hitler was released after serving only nine months of his original five-year sentence. By then, his party had lost momentum. The country’s improving economic situation, thanks to American efforts to ease the pressure for reparation payments and extend new loans, meant that radical parties of both the left and the right had diminishing appeal. The Nazis won a meager 2.6 percent of the votes in the May 1928 Reichstag elections. Yet the women of the court warmly welcomed Hitler back to Munich and Bayreuth. Bechstein provided him with a new Mercedes and a driver. Even while his party gained little traction, his personal circumstances continued to improve. Thanks to the generosity of such donors, Hitler moved from his small rented bedroom to a luxurious, sprawling apartment on Prinzregentenplatz, one of Munich’s most fashionable addresses, in early October 1929—right before the Wall Street crash, and before anyone could have guessed how quickly his political fortunes would turn.

This is not to imply Hitler or the Nazis never raised money on their own, but they still had outside help to get there.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

This is not even a drop in the bucket compared to billionaires/finance support. Get serious.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Why would anyone give away all their wealth? That's not realistic, and runs anti-thesis to why they're rich in the first place...

Look, I would love to live in the same world where money doesn't matter. But the current state of humanity doesn't allow it, without being completely steamrolled by someone else who will always desire having more.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I never said anyone had to give away all their money ???

These relatively small donors have nothing to do with being funded by big finance or anything like that. The NSDAP had an infinitesimal amount of support from industrial capital and zero from finance capital.

There isn't anyone even remotely comparable to the wealth Ford, or any other major industrial or finance capitalist, that supported the NSDAP.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

These relatively small donors have nothing to do with being funded by big finance or anything like that.

So why did he take the money then?

And considering the state of Germany in 1920s, I think it's kinda strange to downplay this as being a small effort. Like being given a car for free, isn't something the average German was likely to receive.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Are you just trolling or what? You're not making any sense