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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

However, there where actual rich Germans in his place who donated to the NSDAP instead.

Nope

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Yes.

https://www.news24.com/news24/hitlers-secret-fortune-20020808

"I came out of Landshut jail with nary a pfennig in my pocket," he famously said later, carefully cultivating the propaganda image of himself as a man born of the masses."Literally speaking, that's true. He probably didn't have a pfennig in his pocket as he walked out of prison," the documentary producer says. "But he had 45 000 reichsmarks in the bank promised to him by Elena Bruckmann, the wife of a prominent publisher. She was so enamoured of him that she gave him the money as a token of her esteem." Richard Wagner's daughter-in-law Winifred Wagner and piano heiress Helene Bechstein similarly showered Hitler with monetary favours.

https://www.historynet.com/the-women-who-loved-hitler.htm

On December 20, 1924, Hitler was released after serving only nine months of his original five-year sentence. By then, his party had lost momentum. The country’s improving economic situation, thanks to American efforts to ease the pressure for reparation payments and extend new loans, meant that radical parties of both the left and the right had diminishing appeal. The Nazis won a meager 2.6 percent of the votes in the May 1928 Reichstag elections. Yet the women of the court warmly welcomed Hitler back to Munich and Bayreuth. Bechstein provided him with a new Mercedes and a driver. Even while his party gained little traction, his personal circumstances continued to improve. Thanks to the generosity of such donors, Hitler moved from his small rented bedroom to a luxurious, sprawling apartment on Prinzregentenplatz, one of Munich’s most fashionable addresses, in early October 1929—right before the Wall Street crash, and before anyone could have guessed how quickly his political fortunes would turn.

This is not to imply Hitler or the Nazis never raised money on their own, but they still had outside help to get there.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

This is not even a drop in the bucket compared to billionaires/finance support. Get serious.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Why would anyone give away all their wealth? That's not realistic, and runs anti-thesis to why they're rich in the first place...

Look, I would love to live in the same world where money doesn't matter. But the current state of humanity doesn't allow it, without being completely steamrolled by someone else who will always desire having more.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I never said anyone had to give away all their money ???

These relatively small donors have nothing to do with being funded by big finance or anything like that. The NSDAP had an infinitesimal amount of support from industrial capital and zero from finance capital.

There isn't anyone even remotely comparable to the wealth Ford, or any other major industrial or finance capitalist, that supported the NSDAP.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

These relatively small donors have nothing to do with being funded by big finance or anything like that.

So why did he take the money then?

And considering the state of Germany in 1920s, I think it's kinda strange to downplay this as being a small effort. Like being given a car for free, isn't something the average German was likely to receive.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Are you just trolling or what? You're not making any sense

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You were agreeing to someone who said Capitalism (in all its forms) was evil, not the fact Henry Ford just happened to be a bit richer than the people donating to Hitler. I was defending the former.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

No, you said there were rich Germans in Ford's place that were donating to the NSDAP. Which is ridiculous, the well off people in Germany who gave money to the NSDAP were nowhere near oligarch status, nor did they give donations big enough to fund even a sizable minority of the party. Larger donations provided practically none of the financial base of the NSDAP.

I didn't say anything about capitalism, I just pointed out your statement that the NSDAP had any support from big capital is absurd. They had none.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

No, you said there were rich Germans in Ford's place that were donating to the NSDAP. Which is ridiculous, the well off people in Germany who gave money to the NSDAP were nowhere near oligarch status,

That's very well subjective. Ford wasn't even the richest in America. That title would go more likely to Rockefeller.

Larger donations provided practically none of the financial base of the NSDAP.

Show citations. My sources at least mention Hitler came out of prison with better living conditions (courtesy of the help he got). Since Germany was in economic toil during this period, it seems odd to suggest every German at the time had similar standards?

I also never said the Nazis never made money at all. I merely pointed out there was still help before they rose to power.

I didn't say anything about capitalism, I just pointed out your statement that the NSDAP had any support from big capital is absurd. They had none.

Then we have to agree to disagree on what "big capital" means. Follow the thread, and I make it clear what my stance on Ford (or anyone wealthy enough to donate) is.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8ha6/dissident_rightsympathetic_billionaires/vhjw